Public schools call private parents stupid.

Off topic but notable:

The Government was a short-lived musical group from the late 1970s in the Toronto area. They realeased a 4-song record in 1979, featuring songs like “Zippers of Fire”, “Flat Tire” and “Hemingway Hated Disco Music”. They had a couple of follow-up albums, but these didn’t really go anywhere. Unfortunately, as of today, it is virtually impossible to get hold of any music from this outfit. A member of their group, drummer Billy Bryans, did go on to become a member of the better-known band Parachute Club in the early 1980s.

I believe the legal entity in Australia that refers to ‘the Government’ is the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia, but since that’s 6 words and ‘the Government’ is 2, aussie colloquialism stepped up to the mark.

Needless to say, I’m sure that whenever somebody mentions ‘the government’, we’ll all understand what is being said.

John, you’re wrong, but your tenacity is commendable! Equally there is no “Legal entity” in Australia called “the Government”, and yet I don’t think you would dispute the term “Government schools”? Just as there is no “legal entity” in Australia called “the public”, and yet they’re still “public schools”. You’re clutching at straws. Face it – your rant about “state schools” not existing in a Territory was based on an error of understanding.

Bulldog – you don’t get out much, do you? “if you’re a f*ckwit, you will generally have a limited future and small success.” Um, no. You managed to ignore most politicians, lawyers, accountants, economists, etc. Basically all f*ckwits. However, usually well off f*ckwits. And you know WHY they are f*ckwits? Because they all went to private schools, got a decent education and didn’t end up working for Jim’s Mowing Service and those who did end up pushing a lawnmower around resent them for it.

Well, it’s the parents fault if, the second the kids get out of school, pretty much everything they’ve been told in class gets left behind. Education doesn’t just happen in the classroom – it’s something that parents need to be reinforcing at home. And hey, if you don’t like how your kids are being taught – get involved!

When I was growing up, I remember my parents were strongly involved in my education – they understood that was part of the bargain in having kids, that you are involved every single day in their development, and you don’t disown responsibility and say “well, that’s their teacher’s job”. If you think your kid’s being left behind, you get involved and see what you can do to help them develop.

Their teacher can give maybe one-thirtieth of their day to your specific kid (and in highschool, that drops even lower). If you really think that’s all the education your child deserves – well, that’s what they’re going to get.

At the same time, I’m well aware parents have a lot less time than they used to – the workplace has, despite a lot of political rhetoric, continued to become less and less family friendly. And it is economically difficult, if not impossible, for a couple to have one partner at home, the way my family was set up until the late 80’s. But that doesn’t mean that schools are capable of taking on the additional load.

I’ll go with Thumper; I think it’s the Parents who have the bigger influence. That being said, I’ve not set foot in a school (Public of Private) for nearly ten years so I won’t know for sure.

As for culture, BBQ’s, literature, Ray Martin and V8’s; all are important in forming a well rounded individual.

Without having a crack at anyone in particular, there seems to be an awful lot of stereotyping and snooty generalisations going on here. Let me clarify my opinion by saying that schooling, culture and financial advantage has very little to do with whether you’re a f*ckwit or not. The point being that if you’re a f*ckwit, you will generally have a limited future and small success.

Hold it right there, Gandalf.

Public schooling is now a vastly different behemoth to that we all went to in our heydays. To compare our schooling to that of today is a little off key.

OK Kerces and Jey and Thumper managed to get through the public system unscathed and have degrees etcetera to prove it, but you’re the last of a ship that’s already sailed.

Public schooling has gone to custard in Australia, the only reason it’s taken so long to influence Canberra is the Diplo factor. Canberra is playing catchup to the rest of Australia who are hell bent on producing Jerry Springer interviewees over any tangible scholatory outcome.

And the onus is being placed back upon the parents. Oh what a surprise. Of course it’s a parents fault that they have to send their child to an institution for their educational benefit and the child doesn’t learn anything while they are there.

I’m just a little slow, but Cheese, with the bogan breeding ground comment, your just refering to Kambah, right XD

(It’s not over, until the little Kambah bogan speaks. kambah pride..)

There is no legal entity in Australia called “The State” There are 6 which are called States.

They each run an education system.

Very simple.

Markus appears to have invented a “STATE school bodies” in the ACT on the basis that the ACT Council of Parents & Citizens Associations is a member of the Australian Council of State School Organisations. Certainly the minister responsible does not use the term, and it was a novelty to me in the ACT context.

What the P&C signs up to isn’t much of a basis for a nomenclature (nor for a front page feature on parents who choose to opt out of their system). Especially when you consider the enthusiasm the Australian Council of State School Organisations would have had for re-naming based on the piddly territories.

bring back the strap.

“Serenity now” 😀

Private schooling should be banned…. it gives rich fucks more opportunities than poorer families…they are breeding pits for arrogance…most of them practice religion which should also be banned because it is the most corrupt shit there is…. fuck the whole concept just pisses me off so much I wanna kick some private school kiddies head in…..rant/vent over Im in a happy place

I’m completing my Masters and I went through the Govt system. I am a Govt school teacher but atm I am in the Department working in the Non-Government Education sector.

Non-Govt includes Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian, Islam and Independent schools. We also work with Home and Distance Education.

Parents are sending their children to Non-Govt schools because all the “riff raff” (that Michael Cheese eludes to) are expelled.

Govt education MUST take anyone who applies, Non-Govt doesn’t.

If i am not mistaken, Ms Gorrie has done well out of ACT taxpayers – if she is the co-writer (along with Lyndsay connors- of the education report which was commissioner sometime in 2002 (again, I believe)- she, like Connors, has been an advocate for state schools and has tried to bully or reproach parents into keeping their kids in government schools. Unfortunately, parents are now only too aware that the ONLY key to advancement (unless I guess you’re a Murdoch or Packer) is to give your children the best, most comprehensive education you can afford – and that sure isn’t coming out of the state school system.

The picture with the article on the front page didn’t do much for the cause did it? I send ours to the local public primary school and I think the staff and standards are excellent but when I look at some of the other kids’ parents you just know that their kids will never be encouraged to make anything of themselves.

I looove hearing parents at bbq’s (usually on vast incomes) who bang on about lifting the standards and profile of public education – “It Works”…then never contribute the ‘suggested’ $$ fee to help cover activities at their beloved ‘selective schools’ such as Forrest Primary.

i ask as i note that the alp in the federal election targeted independent schools, but strangely, not catholic.

simto, you’re right. They are commonly called state schools because they are run by THE STATE (as in “the Government”). Johnboy, it has nothing to do with state in the sense of “State / Territory”. The Macquarie Dictionary confirms this: a state school is a school maintained at public expense for the education of the children and youth of a community or district, as part of a system of public, free education.

There’s no reason the ACT public schools could not be referred to as state schools.

Kerces and I both went to public schools and I’ve just about finished my uni degree and Kerces is doing super well in her double journalism-arts degree.
I don’t think it really makes much of difference what school you go to, if you are determined not to get an education then you won’t.

Kerces and I both went to public schools and I’ve just about finished my uni degree and Kerces is doing super well in here double journalism-arts degree.
I don’t think it really makes much of difference what school you go to, if you are determined not to get an education then you won’t.

Ok, ok, ok. The $2 shop WAS a being a bit optimistic…

Steady on Cheese. That’s a very sweeping generalisation you are making there.

The reason parents send their children to private schools is because the public schools are bogan breeding grounds where the best hope after year 9 is to get the Howard baby bonus or alternatively get a job at the $2 shop in Tuggeranong and work your way up to middle management.

its an absolute disgrace that parents should have some say in where their kids are educated and socialised. it would be much better if there was no choice, then all could be educated to the one low standard.

in this ideological battle, do they count catholic schools as independent ?

sdf

I was under the impression that “State schools” were so-called because they were owned by THE State, not by States, per se.

Then again, I could be wrong.

“It wouldn’t be Sunday without Markus Mannheim making a dickhead out of himself in the Canberra Times.”

It wouldn’t be a normal sunday if I read the Sunday Canberra Times…I don’t mind the weekday editions, but the weekends irk me, especially the Sunday version…it just doesn’t feel right to me…then again, I’m odd.

It’s what they’re commonly known as when they’re run by States.

Which they are not in this case.

“State schools” is what public sector schools are commonly known as, whether they’re in a state or a territory. Though I’ve always called them government schools; the state label may possibly have come from the US.