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Road safety cameras being evaluated

By Barcham 20 November 2013 39

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Simon Corbell announced today that Canberra’s road safety camera program is to be evaluated in order to assess what its impact exactly has been on crash and speeding rates in the ACT.

Proposals will be sought by the end of the year with evaluatin taking place over the first half of 2014.

“The ACT’s Road Safety Camera Program is one component of managing speed crash risks on ACT roads, along with police enforcement and community education and awareness. It is important that we understand how effectively the cameras are contributing to road safety outcomes,” said Mr Corbell.

“The camera program has evolved over more than a decade and now includes mobile, red light and speed, fixed speed only and point to point cameras. With a decade of operation now established, it is appropriate to evaluate the performance of the program as a whole

“An evaluation of the program will assist the Government to identify any opportunities to gain improved road safety effectiveness from the existing program and help ensure that any future changes are as well informed as possible.

“The evaluation will look at the impact of the road safety camera program as well as the governance of the program.”

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poetix 7:07 pm 21 Nov 13

johnboy said :

I do sit at the top of a pretty big information stack.

Moderately reassuring.

Woody Mann-Caruso 6:47 pm 21 Nov 13

There is certainly a common perception

How do you know – ‘certainly’, no less?

Let me guess – there’s a common perception that there’s a common perception?

gazket 4:58 pm 21 Nov 13

and another point more people are dying on the Barton hwy than in any position that fixed speed cameras are placed .

Better to have an evaluation on Government hypocrisy. The Gov in the last few years are wearing blinkers and selectively governing for a few people and not all the people.

gazket 4:50 pm 21 Nov 13

JC said :

gazket said :

More Labor waste

Hardly waste when they are making money!

PS think you will find the first camera’s, the ones on Northborne Ave started rolling out under Kate Carnell.

I don’t care who put the first camera in, I’m not side picking. Money from this wasteful evaluation could go to lets say the respite house that the government is closing down .

We all know what the evaluation will say they help with road safety.

Some pollie mate will get a fat pay check for evaluating something we all ready know the answer too.

That’s why it’s more Labor waste.

Alderney 4:48 pm 21 Nov 13

johnboy said :

There is certainly a common perception, of which I share, that there’s a lot more red light running going on now than there used to be.

Anecdotal evidence certainly points to it.

Woody Mann-Caruso 4:14 pm 21 Nov 13

Buggered if I can come up with any other explanation for the boom in red light running.

You claim that people are probably running more red lights because there are no cameras and no police. If they’re not detected by cameras and they’re not detected by police, how do you know that there’s a ‘boom’ in red light running by ‘ever-booming’ red light runners?

    johnboy 4:16 pm 21 Nov 13

    There is certainly a common perception, of which I share, that there’s a lot more red light running going on now than there used to be.

milkman 3:53 pm 21 Nov 13

Watson said :

Russ said :

I believe the since the introduction of red-light cameras, the incidence of people running red lights at other intersections has *significantly* increased. The logic is simple – the installation of the cameras sends the message that the law is only enforced at those intersections, not at others. It’s now not uncommon to have your light turn green with someone still clearing the intersection, meaning they entered well after the light had turned red for them.

What twisted logic… Following that reasoning, one should never hand out penalties for any crime or misdemeanor because it will send the message to others that “it ain’t a crime if you don’t get caught”.

So if you’d park a cop at the Dickson servo, you are actively encouraging people to go rob a petrol station elsewhere. Because the law does not get enforced there.

The mind boggles…

???

shirty_bear 3:40 pm 21 Nov 13

Watson said :

Russ said :

I believe the since the introduction of red-light cameras, the incidence of people running red lights at other intersections has *significantly* increased. The logic is simple – the installation of the cameras sends the message that the law is only enforced at those intersections, not at others. It’s now not uncommon to have your light turn green with someone still clearing the intersection, meaning they entered well after the light had turned red for them.

What twisted logic… Following that reasoning, one should never hand out penalties for any crime or misdemeanor because it will send the message to others that “it ain’t a crime if you don’t get caught”.

So if you’d park a cop at the Dickson servo, you are actively encouraging people to go rob a petrol station elsewhere. Because the law does not get enforced there.

The mind boggles…

Well, your mind may boggle and barf up poor analogies all it likes … my suspicion is that Russ is correct, if a touch simplistic. The mind of the ever-booming population of red light runners goes more like – and this is, necessarily, speculation on my part – “there’s no red light camera here AND I know there aren’t any police around, coz there never are. Giddy up.”

Buggered if I can come up with any other explanation for the boom in red light running. Maybe an element of frustration at having to stop after crawling through yet another unmanned roadwork site, but the problem seems even more widespread than non-functional roadwork sites.

Robertson 3:36 pm 21 Nov 13

Watson said :

Russ said :

I believe the since the introduction of red-light cameras, the incidence of people running red lights at other intersections has *significantly* increased. The logic is simple – the installation of the cameras sends the message that the law is only enforced at those intersections, not at others. It’s now not uncommon to have your light turn green with someone still clearing the intersection, meaning they entered well after the light had turned red for them.

What twisted logic… Following that reasoning, one should never hand out penalties for any crime or misdemeanor because it will send the message to others that “it ain’t a crime if you don’t get caught”.

So if you’d park a cop at the Dickson servo, you are actively encouraging people to go rob a petrol station elsewhere. Because the law does not get enforced there.

The mind boggles…

No, the lesson is that the law should be evenly and consistently applied.

Watson 3:16 pm 21 Nov 13

Russ said :

I believe the since the introduction of red-light cameras, the incidence of people running red lights at other intersections has *significantly* increased. The logic is simple – the installation of the cameras sends the message that the law is only enforced at those intersections, not at others. It’s now not uncommon to have your light turn green with someone still clearing the intersection, meaning they entered well after the light had turned red for them.

What twisted logic… Following that reasoning, one should never hand out penalties for any crime or misdemeanor because it will send the message to others that “it ain’t a crime if you don’t get caught”.

So if you’d park a cop at the Dickson servo, you are actively encouraging people to go rob a petrol station elsewhere. Because the law does not get enforced there.

The mind boggles…

Deref 1:59 pm 21 Nov 13

Pork Hunt said :

Deref said :

Needs citation.

http://www.cessna.com/citation

Now that’s the kind of citation I’d like!

Felix the Cat 1:30 pm 21 Nov 13

I believe (CBF looking up a cite) when they lowered the speed limit in Northern Territory road deaths actually increased.

Russ 1:11 pm 21 Nov 13

I believe the since the introduction of red-light cameras, the incidence of people running red lights at other intersections has *significantly* increased. The logic is simple – the installation of the cameras sends the message that the law is only enforced at those intersections, not at others. It’s now not uncommon to have your light turn green with someone still clearing the intersection, meaning they entered well after the light had turned red for them.

Pork Hunt 12:50 pm 21 Nov 13

Deref said :

gooterz said :

The last 10 years traffic in most cities has increased and slowed down anyway…

Most accidents happen at night when there are the least amount of people on the road. Why? They are overworked and too tired to drive fall asleep and find a tree to smash into.

Many accidents in the act are due to tail gating…

Most speeding accidents you hear about where the prep is going 160km/h+ is done using stolen cars…

Needs citation.

http://www.cessna.com/citation

montana 11:41 am 21 Nov 13

Watson said :

gooterz said :

Also last time I said that speed cameras cause accidents (mostly due to tail gating and breaking cars) I saw two accidents on the parkway on two consecutive days straight after.

So it wasn’t the speed cameras that caused the accident. It was tailgating and inappropriate braking. If they’re that suprised by the sight of a speed camera that they step on your brake without even checking their mirrors, they should either drink a lot more coffee or lay off the weed. I’ve no such kind words for the tailgaters. They’re all d!cks.

But if their car is breaking, they probably shouldn’t be driving it because it will break even more.

learn the difference between ‘breaking’ and braking’ before trying to come up with a clever proverb.

HiddenDragon 11:36 am 21 Nov 13

johnboy said :

I used to buy the distraction argument.

And I’d be all for taking a lot of the crap off our roadsides.

But if you’re unable to keep track of speed signs you’re not really competent to be driving IMHO.

Up to a point, but it depends upon the margin for error allowed by speed cameras – a national secret of the highest classication, I imagine – so we may need to look to Edward Snowden and The Guardian for advice on that – in four years time……

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