Stage 4 on hold as ACTEW opens the flood gates

Ntp 19 June 2007 41

The CT reports that the planned Stage 4 water restrictions are now on hold.

IBN reports that despite this hold on increased restrictions the Govt is still talking tough (although we didn’t see much in the way of money for contingency plans in the recent budget).

At the same time as this IBN informs us ACTEW “is preparing to release 2 gigalitres of dam water to carry out routine maintenance.” In the article the Opposition leader Bill Stefaniak makes the apparently sensible suggestion that “it would seem smarter to save the water by allowing normal usage over 20 days to lower the water level and then do the maintenance.”

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41 Responses to Stage 4 on hold as ACTEW opens the flood gates
Ralph Ralph 4:30 pm 20 Jun 07

That is the problem. Science and engineering, and not economics.

Also never mind the poltical appointment running the show is a Keating government refugee. Getting rid of that joker would also be a good start, and then decoupling the entire organisation from the ACT Government.

JD114 JD114 3:26 pm 20 Jun 07

Seems there are more water experts in the forums here than in the whole of the ACTEW organisation, which i presume would be hiring people with suitable qualifications to manage the resources. So here’s a tip ACTEW, get rid of you overpaid university graduates with science and engineering degrees, and employ a temp to implement the changes that the learned folk in this forum have suggested. Can’t go wrong mate, can’t go wrong…

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 2:27 pm 20 Jun 07

Perhaps Woody Man needs to have a read about how billabongs are formed.

Yes, because the formation of billabongs is particularly relevant to the rebuttal of some ‘tard’s claim that because silt systems have worked for thousands of years before dams came along, we can rely on those same systems to operate in exactly the same way now that we trap squillions of litres of water in man-made structures to be released at our whim.

Any insults for me

Sure. You’re a bigger f*ckhead than the other guy, and that’s saying something.

Ingeegoodbee Ingeegoodbee 1:55 pm 20 Jun 07

Maelinar, the formation of billabongs or oxbows is different to the clogging of a rivers channel with silt. The former form because of deposition differentials associated with the speed at which the water in the channel moves as it goes around a bend in the river, water on the inside of the bend moves slower, facilitating the deposition of material, whilst the water at the outside of the bend moves faster eroding the banks. Wait long enough and the bend will be cut off from the main channel altering the course of the stream and creating the billabong.

Thumper Thumper 12:06 pm 20 Jun 07

An ox bow lake if you wish….

Maelinar Maelinar 11:59 am 20 Jun 07

Perhaps Woody Man needs to have a read about how billabongs are formed.

Woody Man, billabong is an Australian word, and is derived from the original inhabitants language. Disputedly, they have been here for about the last 300,000 years or so, so the concept of a billabong is one that is reasonably well developed.

In a nutshell, billabongs are formed by the massive depositation of silt which cuts off the flow from a little bit of a river, thus forming the billabong.

Little Kangaroo and Little Wombat then go to the billabong to drink, and then leave for the dreaming rainbow place before the serpent catches them.

Any insults for me on account of I’ve just made a barely concealed attack on your intellectual age ?

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 9:51 am 20 Jun 07

Nice pony you’ve got there Ralph – can it do any other tricks?

Ralph Ralph 9:28 am 20 Jun 07

Yes indeed that’s why we need a socialist dictatorship isn’t it? The proles don’t know what’s good for them….

More elitism from Woody Mann.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 9:02 am 20 Jun 07

Our rivers coped for thousands of years without someone managing the silt for them

People like you can vote and breed, and that is why democracy is doomed.

Thumper Thumper 8:33 am 20 Jun 07

Sorry, I forgot.

it never rains in the catchment….

Thumper Thumper 8:33 am 20 Jun 07

Last time I flew over Googong, a few weeks ago, it looked as full as I’ve seen it for years.

Cotter is overflowing. Bendora, well, I’m not sure.

I still maintain that the more it rains the less we are given access to water. Afterall, last summer we were on Stage 3 restrictions. it has rained a fair bit since last summer but we are going to go onto Stage 4 restrictions.

Work that one out…

Sammy Sammy 10:12 pm 19 Jun 07

Someone perhaps lying maybe

You could always take a drive out there, and check for yourself. Unless you are suggesting they have a secret aquifer somewhere.

ACTEW head was on 666 this morning saying that dam levels have increased a percent or so in the last week, which is good news.

Sammy Sammy 10:10 pm 19 Jun 07

Our rivers coped for thousands of years without someone managing the silt for them

They didn’t have large, man-made, concrete structures altering their normal flow though, did they.

Ralph Ralph 4:38 pm 19 Jun 07


Thumper Thumper 4:33 pm 19 Jun 07

It appears that the more it rains the less water we have.

Someone perhaps lying maybe?

VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt VYBerlinaV8 now_with_added grunt 4:25 pm 19 Jun 07

GregW what utter crap. The only reason we have the problem we do now is because legislators make rules that are, in a natural sense, completely arbitrary.

If we are really as desperate for water as Actew and our fearless leaders claim, and we are genuinely looking down the barrel of recycling sewage, then change the dam (no pun intended) rules!

The rules are supposed to help us all by balancing need. Try to stand on them to claim the high moral ground is ridiculous.

Ralph Ralph 4:05 pm 19 Jun 07

I thought that might be the case.

I’ve also been told GregW that this issue can be eliminated entirely if the ACT Government coughed up the money and purchased a few Murrumbidgee irrigation licenses.

Ingeegoodbee Ingeegoodbee 4:02 pm 19 Jun 07

Ralph. I suspect that you couldn’t cost recover by selling the silt – the cost of transporting the dirt from the point of extraction to the point of sale would be more than you could get for it.

GregW GregW 3:55 pm 19 Jun 07

Interesting how you people seem to be intentionally ignoring Ingeegoodbee comments that the water will be caught downstream, and that it is an obligation actew has no say in. Besides these water price increases don’t match the complete lost income actew incurs due to water restrictions so do you think if there was a choice actew would not flush the silt?

V8 saying that you wont conserve water because they are releasing some is akin to saying you refuse to drive safely because side curtain airbags aren’t mandatory.

Maelinar Maelinar 3:47 pm 19 Jun 07

I live somewhere it rains, in fact it rains all the bloody time. If it keeps on raining, I’m likely to get a call and a few days off work today even.

The problem is, contradictory to the fact that it keeps raining all the time, is I keep on getting told that it’s not raining, and that I’m imagining it falling out of the sky and making me all wet.

Somehow I’ve got a logic problem here that is resisting being solved.

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