Swine flu vaccine - shutting the gate after the pig has bolted

It’s not really that extreme. Many developed countries have compulsory vaccination programs, and many viruses have spread due to the refusal of some individuals to be vaccinated. These viruses have killed innocent third parties.

I am not even advocating mandatory vaccinations, just responsibility for the result of your actions.

and for arguments sake, that particular youtube clip was saying how they had thermisol (sp) (a mercury preservative)(as well as Squalene, not sure if ours does) in America’s batch, now thinking we had different vaccines and took out the thermisol (sp) in most vaccines some recent years ago I was shocked to discover the PanVax we are getting has it also.

Take your mercury kiddies, is so good for you I’m sure!

*ducks*

hax said :

GregW said :

In my opinion that is reckless indifference to life and should be punishable in the same way as it is with murder.

Well, your opinion is extreme to say the least

I think people are entitled (free) to choose what gets put in their body. (I shudder at the alternative)

I agree hax.

The alternative I shudder to think of was the New York health workers.

As for GregW he is sounding like the woman in this youtube clip at 00.10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMqYlnAiIUU

GregW said :

In my opinion that is reckless indifference to life and should be punishable in the same way as it is with murder.

Well, your opinion is extreme to say the least

I think people are entitled (free) to choose what gets put in their body. (I shudder at the alternative)

You’re damn right that people are going to criticise you for your extreme ignorance.

Swine flu has so far killed about 4,500 people, a large number of these deaths resulted from people with weakened immune systems due to HIV/AIDS or similar. You can bet that these individuals did not willingly contract such a disease.

By refusing to recieve the vaccine you are placing such people at risk. They will not simply be contracting the disease, you will be giving it to them. In my opinion that is reckless indifference to life and should be punishable in the same way as it is with murder.

Stop being so self-righteous and selfish and get vaccinated.

I think it’s a personal decision. As one of those people who have medical issues and are encouraged to have a flu shot every year I don’t because I very rarely get the flu. I uhmed and ahed about whether to get the swine flu vaccine and finally decided I would, only to ring my doctor’s office and find out that they won’t have it for a couple of weeks. I’m curious as to whether any doctors in the ACT do have it yet.

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Even if you don’t think you need to be vaccinated personally, you will still transmit the disease once you’ve become infected. The point of offering the vaccine to the entire population is to develop herd immunity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

So don’t be selfish, get the jab.

Puhleease…don’t tell me to take a jab I don’t need. I happen to have a strong, healthy constitution. In 36 years, I have had the flu twice (18 years ago and 5 years ago). The common cold?…sure, at least once every winter…but the flu, where it sets you on your arse for 4 days?…only twice.

If everyone stopped carrying on like pork chops every time they got a sniffle or a cough they would admit that 95% of the time what they really have is also just the common cold and not the flu.

I do realise there are those among us who are not as healthy as myself and who do actually catch the flu every year, and I do feel sorry for them as it is truly awful not being well. But dang nebbit…don’t tell me that I should have to take a jab for them. The theory of ‘herd immunity’ is logical and of course it makes alot of sense…but do you know what? so does ‘survival of the fittest’.

Now before you all go jump on me and scratch my eyes out…I’m not saying we should leave all the flu-sufferers to die a slow death because it serves them right for having poor constitutions…all I’m saying is don’t tell me I need to inject myself with H1N1 just to save someone else from catching it. You know…my body, my choice kinda thing.

AG Canberra said :

The cost of the consultation should be included as well.

Well, technically that’s also paid for by the government.

Your doctor may have different ideas regarding how much he/she deserves to be paid for the consultation, obviously…

The cost of the consultation should be included as well.

This vaccine takes two weeks to kick in. My GP advised that it is free for everyone. The only cost to me is the cost of the consultation.

it might be out of ‘flu season now, but the vaccine will be active when it kicks back in again next year – and this isn’t, apparently, a usual ‘flu in that it doesn’t only come on in winter. they expect this ‘flu to mutate and the vaccine is, from my understanding, to reduce the risk of greater catastrophe when it comes back and means it…

I don’t like how they report Canberra as having 732 (last time I heard) cases of swine flu. Without taking into consideration that we are talking about a virus, not a lifelong disease.

Most people were sick and better again in short periods. So why hang on to the past and talk in the media like we still have 732 people suffering?

I have been most unimpressed as per usual with any spin out of the media especially towards my health and well being.

I’m in two minds about getting this jab simply because the regular flu vaccine makes me sick (flu-like symptoms) and I’m not at all convinced that H1N1 is worse than the regular flu. Also, if the flu mutates, then won’t this vaccine be about as effective as salt water?

Even if you don’t think you need to be vaccinated personally, you will still transmit the disease once you’ve become infected. The point of offering the vaccine to the entire population is to develop herd immunity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

So don’t be selfish, get the jab.

They are recommending everybody gets it (over 10 years old), starting with those at higher risk (pregnant women, asthmatics etc). they are also recommending parents of babies get it as a priority. If you live with someone who is at high risk you should also get vaccinated, so as not to bring the virus home.

They are hoping to vaccinate between 30-50% of the population, so as to make inroads into how far the disease spreads next Winter. Just because it seemed mild in the first waave doesn’t mean it will stay in it’s mild form – and even in that form people did die, not all of whom had existing conditions.

I would have thought the last thing any GP in this town needed to do was “drum up some business”. They already have far more than they can handle.

I probably will be heading out (if not actually “rushing”) to get it, but only on account of an upcoming trip to the US which is heading in to ‘flu season. The last thing I want to do is have to rely on the US healthcare system.

Perhaps to prevent people bringing the infection to Australia when they go on holiday to places where it IS flu season?

I think they’ve been pretty clear that its only if you’re at risk eg chronically ill.

While I won’t need it, I’ll be making sure one of my significant others gets it.