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The Canberra Declaration?

johnboy 26 July 2010 42

There’s a lot of internet noise coming my way over the “Canberra Declaration” made on Friday.

Christian Today explains:

The declaration was drafted by over 20 Christian leaders, and it follows on from the 2009 Manhattan Declaration and the 2010 Westminster Declaration in stating that when Christian values are respected and allowed freedom of expression, not just confined to so-called sacred spaces but in the public, the society is richer and healthier.

Three areas are drawn into particular attention is the religious freedom, marriage and family, and the sanctity of human life.

Hundreds of leaders are expected to sign the Canberra Declaration in the coming weeks.

There’s a website they’re still working on if you’re interested.


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Bosworth Bosworth 11:10 am 28 Jul 10

As rebcart suggested, this is a non-theist declaration that may have prompted the canberra declaration.

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At our AGM last Saturday, Atheist Ireland adopted the following amended version of the Copenhagen Declaration on Religion in Public Life. The original version was written and adopted by delegates at the world atheist conference “Gods and Politics” held in Copenhagen from 18-20 June 2010.

This version is based on feedback on the original from various sources. It is written more concisely, clarifies some ambiguous phrases, and categorises the points into groups. Like the original, it is a starting point for discussion and not an unalterable set of principles.

Declaration on Religion in Public Life

We support this amended version of the Copenhagen Declaration on Religion in Public Life. We invite other people and groups to also support it.

Personal Freedoms

•Freedom of conscience, religion and belief are unlimited. Freedom to practice religion should be limited only by the need to respect the rights of others.
•All people should be free to participate equally in public life, and should be treated equally before the law and in the democratic process.
•Freedom of expression should be limited only as prescribed in international law. All blasphemy laws should be repealed.

Secular Democracy

•Society should be based on democracy, human rights and the rule of law. Public policy should be formed by applying reason to evidence.
•Government should be secular. The state should be strictly neutral in matters of religion, favoring none and discriminating against none.
•Religions should have no special financial consideration in public life, such as tax-free status for religious activities, or grants to promote religion or run faith schools.

Secular Education

•State education should be secular. Children should be taught about the diversity of religious beliefs in an objective manner, with no faith formation in school hours.
•Children should be educated in critical thinking and the distinction between faith and reason as a guide to knowledge. Science should be taught free from religious interference.

One Law For All

•There should be one law for all, democratically decided and evenly enforced, with no jurisdiction for religious courts to settle civil matters or family disputes.
•The law should not criminalize private conduct that respects the rights of others because the doctrine of any religion deems such conduct to be immoral.
•Employers or social service providers with religious beliefs should not be allowed to discriminate on any grounds not essential to the job in question.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 4:31 pm 27 Jul 10

chewy14 said :

p1 said :

I bet these are the same people that try and claim that atheism and science are both religions too.

True atheism may not be anything like a religion, but the attitudes of a large number of people who purport to be atheists could be described as nothing else.

So, in your considered opinion: “religion = acting like a wanker”

I’m with you all the way!

Bosworth Bosworth 4:30 pm 27 Jul 10

Skygod, are you praying to yourself?

Skygod Skygod 4:28 pm 27 Jul 10

Perhaps time for a prayer:

Dear god, please protect me from your followers.

p1 p1 11:23 am 27 Jul 10

chewy14 said :

True atheism may not be anything like a religion, but the attitudes of a large number of people who purport to be atheists could be described as nothing else.

🙂 In the same way that people who very strongly promote walking, while denigrating motorised transport are actually motor sport enthusiasts.

You are right though, this argument it one of those situations where we only actually hear from the overly vocal nutbags on both sides.

chewy14 chewy14 11:04 am 27 Jul 10

p1 said :

I bet these are the same people that try and claim that atheism and science are both religions too.

True atheism may not be anything like a religion, but the attitudes of a large number of people who purport to be atheists could be described as nothing else.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 9:26 am 27 Jul 10

Here we go, I found the document I was after produced before the last election, “21 Reasons Why Gender Matters”, the one that got Warwick Marsh fired.

Al throughout the document, it makes references to ‘gender confusion’, ‘gender disorientation pathology’, and as codewords for homosexuality, but still directly describes homosexuals within-text.

It shares a few authors with this Canberra Declaration.
Warwick & Alison Marsh
Bill Muehlenberg
Peter & Jenny Stokes
Barry Williams

Highlights:
Point 21: Gender disorientation pathology encourages the sexual and psychological exploitation of children.
Point 20: Gender disorientation pathology is preventable and treatable.
Point 17: Gender disorientation pathology will lead to increased levels of drug abuse
Point 16: Gender disorientation pathology, as in the form of sexual addictions, is often a symptom of family dysfunction, personality disorder, father absence, health malfunction or sexual abuse.
Excerpt from Point 15: Same-sex attracted people stagnate in their psychosexual development at the early teen stage

And here are their policy proposals from the last election.

p1 p1 9:10 am 27 Jul 10

I bet these are the same people that try and claim that atheism and science are both religions too.

rebcart rebcart 10:45 pm 26 Jul 10

From what I can tell, this stupid declaration is in response to a declaration drafted up a few weeks back at a big atheist conference, which tried to define a working set of secular ethics to follow.

Shows just how much religious nutjobs don’t get the point…

Mr Evil Mr Evil 10:22 pm 26 Jul 10

Religion: f#cking with people’s minds since Adam was a boy! 🙂

peterepete peterepete 9:57 pm 26 Jul 10

I’m a committed Christian (some say nutbag extremist) but personally I get a tad twitchy when religious groups become political. Jesus and his disciples didn’t try to change the politics of the day – he made a more significant change than that – and power often corrupts. That said I do appreciate having a govt that doesn’t oppose my freedom to believe the things that I do, and I’d generally defend the rights of others to practice different beliefs than me. Its fair for any group (religious or not) to try influence the law – thats the law.

BundahBoy BundahBoy 9:08 pm 26 Jul 10

The Canberra Declaration: sending all the outed priestly pedos to jail? Start there and ill read ya website.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 7:05 pm 26 Jul 10

As I an doing this one from my phone I don’t have the benefit of a link, but the head of ACVI is the same guy who was fired by Nicola Roxon from the Men’s Health Ambassador program a few years back.
Something about having his name as an author on a document about how gays cause drug abuse, are pedophiles, and generally eat babies.
Boringly titled “30 reasons why role models are everything” or somesuch???

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 5:31 pm 26 Jul 10

On their website they say: “Police states and totalitarian nations inevitably begin….”

I say: “with nutbags like you”!

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 4:25 pm 26 Jul 10

colourful sydney racing identity said :

georgesgenitals said :

I only had a quick look at the link, and it initially seemed pretty benign, although clearly others here have done more reading and research. I have to admit to being a little surprised, though, at the level of intolerance being shown to the website’s owners, and to religion in general. If you don’t believe or want to participate, no problem, but do we really need to be getting this worked up about it?

We should tolerate intolerance?

A good question. I’m not trying to defend this, just tease out what people really think about it.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 4:11 pm 26 Jul 10

Yeah, fair enough.

p1 p1 3:34 pm 26 Jul 10

georgesgenitals said :

I have to admit to being a little surprised, though, at the level of intolerance being shown to the website’s owners, and to religion in general. If you don’t believe or want to participate, no problem, but do we really need to be getting this worked up about it?

As Erg0 said, when they start making calls to there members from the Parliament House to try and spread influence not just confined to so-called sacred spaces but in the public then it becomes something which should be debated in public by rational people. At this point I am able to bring up the fact that they are using 2000 year old heavily revised text purportedly written about a supernatural being to justify the exclusion of people who interpret life differently.

Bosworth Bosworth 3:23 pm 26 Jul 10

oops, I stuffed that up. I was replying to georgesgenitals’ comment: “but do we really need to be getting this worked up about it?”

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 3:22 pm 26 Jul 10

georgesgenitals said :

I only had a quick look at the link, and it initially seemed pretty benign, although clearly others here have done more reading and research. I have to admit to being a little surprised, though, at the level of intolerance being shown to the website’s owners, and to religion in general. If you don’t believe or want to participate, no problem, but do we really need to be getting this worked up about it?

We should tolerate intolerance?

Bosworth Bosworth 3:21 pm 26 Jul 10

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