9 September 2013

The end of the Mully Tree

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IrishPete said :

That’s great that you work with victims and offenders.

I don’t work with victims (currently.)

I did not claim “something hasn’t happened”. .

Hmmmmm….

IrishPete said :

I call bullshit on both

I can recall no such case in recent years. I can recall cases where babies and toddlers have been recovered from stolen cars. Nor can Google find any – search for “Sydney baby stolen car” without the quotes and you find two cases where the baby was recovered. If you can provide reliable information, I am happy to be corrected.

Calling something “bullshit” means what then? I need no help with my reading comprehension thanks.

Ben_Dover said :

As I said elsewhere, I’ve worked with victims and offenders. Have you? When you have, your opinions may have some credibility. ,/i>

Yes, I work with offenders every day, so your point was what?

First you claim something hasn’t happened, so I proved it had, with evidence. Then you claim it happened too long ago to count. Now you’re claiming that people have to conform to your very narrow employment specifics in order to have a view.

You surely do like setting the rules to your own advantage don’t you? You don’t seem to have much faith in your own views in order to compete in open debate. Just goes to show how fragile and insubstantial your views are.

Ps. I had a great holiday in Castle Island and Dingle last year, lovely area.

That’s great that you work with victims and offenders. In that case, I can’t in all conscience let you away with inarticulate subjective abusive statements like “Now you go back to making excuses for criminals, you do make a living out of it, obviously.” You should be able to say something more substantial and meaningful.

I did not claim “something hasn’t happened”. Would you like some assistance with your reading? I wrote “I can recall no such case in recent years” in response to a claim that such a terrible thing had happened “a few years ago”. The incident happened in the year 2000. By no sensible definition “a few years ago”.

I’ll tell you sincerely why I won’t incorrectly say I was wrong, or apologise for something I didn’t do. Because there’ll be a time when someone throws it back at me and says “but you were wrong then and you admitted it”. There’s a time and place for apologising when you are not in the wrong, just to move on, but this is not that time and place.

Mysteryman said :

Just accept you’re wrong and move on. You’re starting to sound like a complete idiot. Even more than usual.

Can you point out where I was wrong? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/a+few

Mike Crowther said :

Irish Pete. I never claimed to have been a Police Officer. I wasn’t. For a person with a legally trained mind you do seem to jump to the first available conclusion.

But I do accept your apology for calling ‘bull-shit’ just because you hadn’t heard of something. I can’t remember what I actually Googled now, but it was something akin to child-dead-locked car-western Sydney. (I didn’t remember the little blokes name or I would have quoted it originally). which is hardly a search using intimate personal details.

If I had a legally trained mind, I wouldn’t have an enquiring mind…

I did in effect offer an immediately apology if I was wrong about the toddler manslaughter case – at the same time as calling it BS I also said “If you can provide reliable information, I am happy to be corrected. “. Thank you for correcting me. Now whether I was wrong to say there has been none in the last few years, as you claimed, or whether I was right, hinges on the definition of “a few”. There’s probably no value in having that argument.

If you are not a former police officer, then this statement is extremely odd: “I have lost count of the number of people Ive had locked up for burglary, but I’ve retired and things have obviously changed in my absence.” Were you an unsuccessful defence lawyer? A successful public prosecutor? A magistrate or judge? A parent of a large number of delinquent children?

I am obviously overanalysing subtle wording, and I should have realised by now that not everyone writes with the same precision as I try to (but don’t always succeed in doing).

This thread has strayed a long way from its original focus. For those of you who think the worst of my opinions, can I just note that in the Mully incident, only one innocent person died, and that was a baby. That baby may not have had great prospects in life anyway, but he deserved a better chance and longer life than he was given.

None of the three adults who were there should have been at that place, at that time. One of them is more (ir)responsible than the others, but if you live life a certain way you take risks and can’t complain too much if one day it all goes horribly wrong.

Of course all the poor people who witnessed the crash, and tended to the dying, and cleaned up afterwards, they were innocents too.

Even so, there are other far clearer incidents to use in the “police chase good/bad” debate.

IP

As I said elsewhere, I’ve worked with victims and offenders. Have you? When you have, your opinions may have some credibility. ,/i>

Yes, I work with offenders every day, so your point was what?

First you claim something hasn’t happened, so I proved it had, with evidence. Then you claim it happened too long ago to count. Now you’re claiming that people have to conform to your very narrow employment specifics in order to have a view.

You surely do like setting the rules to your own advantage don’t you? You don’t seem to have much faith in your own views in order to compete in open debate. Just goes to show how fragile and insubstantial your views are.

Ps. I had a great holiday in Castle Island and Dingle last year, lovely area.

IrishPete said :

Ben_Dover said :

Don’t worry, be happy…

Leo Nguyen, aged two years 10 months, died of heat exhaustion after his mother’s BMW was stolen from outside a noodle shop in Cabramatta in December 2000. His mother had left the keys in the ignition and the airconditioning on, but when the car was found some two hours and 20 minutes later, the doors and windows were closed and the temperature was about 50C. The toddler died shortly after in hospital.

Now you go back to making excuses for criminals, you do make a living out of it, obviously.

13 years ago is “a few”? I lived in WA in 2000. If Mike Crowther had said “13 years ago”, then I’d have known it was before my time in the Eastern States, and I would not have expected to know about it. But his fine objective policeman’s mind thinks “a few” means “thirteen”. I bet he didn’t get many convictions, with evidence like that.

As I said elsewhere, I’ve worked with victims and offenders. Have you? When you have, your opinions may have some credibility.

Next troll please. Bring ’em on. I hope the next one’s a bit tougher.

IP

Just accept you’re wrong and move on. You’re starting to sound like a complete idiot. Even more than usual.

Mike Crowther11:11 pm 09 Feb 14

Ah! Just pulled it off my search history.. Toddler-dies-stolen-car. Hardly random.

Mike Crowther11:08 pm 09 Feb 14

Irish Pete. I never claimed to have been a Police Officer. I wasn’t. For a person with a legally trained mind you do seem to jump to the first available conclusion.

But I do accept your apology for calling ‘bull-shit’ just because you hadn’t heard of something. I can’t remember what I actually Googled now, but it was something akin to child-dead-locked car-western Sydney. (I didn’t remember the little blokes name or I would have quoted it originally). which is hardly a search using intimate personal details.

Ben_Dover said :

Don’t worry, be happy…

Leo Nguyen, aged two years 10 months, died of heat exhaustion after his mother’s BMW was stolen from outside a noodle shop in Cabramatta in December 2000. His mother had left the keys in the ignition and the airconditioning on, but when the car was found some two hours and 20 minutes later, the doors and windows were closed and the temperature was about 50C. The toddler died shortly after in hospital.

Now you go back to making excuses for criminals, you do make a living out of it, obviously.

13 years ago is “a few”? I lived in WA in 2000. If Mike Crowther had said “13 years ago”, then I’d have known it was before my time in the Eastern States, and I would not have expected to know about it. But his fine objective policeman’s mind thinks “a few” means “thirteen”. I bet he didn’t get many convictions, with evidence like that.

As I said elsewhere, I’ve worked with victims and offenders. Have you? When you have, your opinions may have some credibility.

Next troll please. Bring ’em on. I hope the next one’s a bit tougher.

IP

Tooks said :

You didn’t know there was an offence called burglary in the ACT? Perhaps you should stop belittling others about not checking the facts, when you get something this basic incorrect yourself.

You are right about the night thing though. Burglary in the ACT can be committed at any time.

Since the Mully incident, there have been around 200 police pursuits in Canberra alone. Most are terminated by police. So while I understand certain people don’t think it’s worth the risk (pursuing car thieves), I’m happy with the pursuit guidelines and the way pursuits here are conducted. I can only assume that you don’t have children, given your response about not wanting police to chase a car with your child in it.

The coroner in the Clea Rose case (which wasn’t a pursuit anyway) had no issues with police pursuit guidelines and made no recommendations. Ditto with the Coroner in the Mully case.

I don’t live in the ACT, so I span two jurisdictions, one which calls it break and enter the other burglary. They mean the same thing. Police officers and lawyers NEED to know the exact terminology, the rest of us can speak in plain English. But yes, my bad, I have been caught out being human and making a mistake.

Mike Crowther seems to be getting confused between aggravated burglary, home invasions, and burglary.

I don’t have children, which is perhaps why I can be rational and objective. “Officer please drive at 100mph after that car with my baby in it” might feel like the right thing to do, but is inevitably going to put your child at risk. While looking for the case Mike Crowther described, in every case I found of a toddler or baby in a stolen car, the baby was returned safely without a car chase. Interestingly in the case he described, the baby was left in a car with the keys in it – if you do that, and your car gets stolen, the police won’t even want to treat it as theft. Nor does your insurer. In fact, in some States it is illegal to do so, though I don’t know if it is in NSW (or the ACT).

Police define “pursuit” very tightly. The important factor is whether the offending driver thinks they are being pursued. Just because the police switched off their lights and sirens a few seconds ago, doesn’t really cut it. Or haven’t got around to turning them on yet. I think Clea Rose’s parents have somewhat different opinions to the coroner, and you apparently. They did have a child. Even so, their opinions don’t seem to have any more weight in your eyes than my opinions.

IP

Mike Crowther said :

Irish Pete. Here is a link to the story I quoted:

He was dead at the scene, but as ambos do not have the power to declare life extinct, was recoded as having died at Liverpool hospital.
I personally do not give a flying f*^k what ‘YOU can remember’. It took me less than 3 min to find a reference, and I was one of the officers detailed to take this piece of human garbage to court and listen to the evidence including an autopsy report. Try using the term ‘I cant find it’ rather than ‘I call bullshit’ you troll.

2. Definition of ‘night’… http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s4.html

3. Burglary http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinosrch.cgi?meta=/austlii&query=Burglary&method=auto&mask_world=:austlii:au&mask_path=+au/cases/nsw+au/legis/nsw+au/other/nswlrc

lists 496 references to the offence of Burglary.
HOWEVER… I concede that that offence has recently been replaced with that of Aggravated Break and Enter due to an upsurge in home invasions which weren’t properly addressed by the old section.

I have lost count of the number of people Ive had locked up for burglary, but I’ve retired and things have obviously changed in my absence.

I do not troll.

No link to the story was provided. It’s very easy to find a story when you know the details of the case, possibly even names. I have found the case for you http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/16/1034561211503.html You said “a few years ago” – it took place in late 2000, thirteen years ago. I lived in Perth at the time. It may have been reported there, I can’t recall, it is an extremely long time ago for someone not directly involved with the case to remember.

The section of the NSW Crime Act you linked to mentions a definition of night. It also defines aircraft. And banker What’s it got to do with burglary? I’ve already answered that. Nothing.

Aggravated break and enter is aggravated break and enter. If it is equivalent to a form of burglary, it is equivalent to aggravated burglary. Which is patently obvious, really – did you not notice the word aggravated?

If you really were a NSW police officer, as you imply, your knowledge of the law is very ropey.

IP

IrishPete said :

Mike Crowther said :

Well for me the answer is yes. (though its not a situation I’d wish on anybody.) A few years ago we had the situation of a putrid scrote steal a car in s-w Sydney whilst a toddler was strapped into the child seat ion the back. The thief calmly parked the car in a suburban street and abandoned it in the summer sun with the windows rolled up. Once upon a time a thief in this situation would have called the police and told them where the vehicle was. Those days seem to be over. Despite a full and ongoing search, the child was found dead still strapped in his seat several hours later. So, if it was my child, on balance, I’d want the police to try and run the offender to ground.

O, and Pete: Burglary involves breaking into a dwelling at ‘night’. (‘Night’ is defined in the NSW Crimes Act as the hours between 9pm and 6 am). I haven’t bothered to learn what it is in the ACT because let’s face it, with the judiciary we’ve got here, there may as well not be a Crimes Act. ‘Breaking’ has nothing to do with force. If I open your front door without permission I have broken the seal between the door and the dwelling. Rather than get your legal definitions from Wikipedia, you might want to try http://www.austlii.edu.au/ more local and up to date.

I call bullshit on both.

I can recall no such case in recent years. I can recall cases where babies and toddlers have been recovered from stolen cars. Nor can Google find any – search for “Sydney baby stolen car” without the quotes and you find two cases where the baby was recovered. If you can provide reliable information, I am happy to be corrected.

As for burglary being at night, bullshit too. There is no requirement for burglary to be at night, except in your dreams. In fact the term burglary doesn’t exist in the NSW Crimes Act. Nor do I think it exists in the ACT. Break and Enter is the more accurate legal term. Night-time never enters the equation. But Burglary is used in other jurisdictions, and there’s a fairly common understanding of what it means. Add the word “aggravated” and it becomes fuzzier, as different jurisdictions have different definitions of aggravated.

The word Robbery, in contrast, is commonly misunderstood, with it meaning theft or burglary in common parlance, quite different from its legal meaning which has to involve violence or the threat of violence.

I don’t need to check Wikipedia or AUSTLII for this stuff (but I did just check AUSTLII for the NSW Crimes Act, just to be 100% certain). Perhaps you should. Try clicking on the link you provided and go from there.

IP

You didn’t know there was an offence called burglary in the ACT? Perhaps you should stop belittling others about not checking the facts, when you get something this basic incorrect yourself.

You are right about the night thing though. Burglary in the ACT can be committed at any time.

Since the Mully incident, there have been around 200 police pursuits in Canberra alone. Most are terminated by police. So while I understand certain people don’t think it’s worth the risk (pursuing car thieves), I’m happy with the pursuit guidelines and the way pursuits here are conducted. I can only assume that you don’t have children, given your response about not wanting police to chase a car with your child in it.

The coroner in the Clea Rose case (which wasn’t a pursuit anyway) had no issues with police pursuit guidelines and made no recommendations. Ditto with the Coroner in the Mully case.

Mike Crowther12:37 pm 09 Feb 14

Irish Pete. Here is a link to the story I quoted: He was dead at the scene, but as ambos do not have the power to declare life extinct, was recoded as having died at Liverpool hospital.
I personally do not give a flying f*^k what ‘YOU can remember’. It took me less than 3 min to find a reference, and I was one of the officers detailed to take this piece of human garbage to court and listen to the evidence including an autopsy report. Try using the term ‘I cant find it’ rather than ‘I call bullshit’ you troll.

2. Definition of ‘night’… http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s4.html

3. Burglary http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinosrch.cgi?meta=/austlii&query=Burglary&method=auto&mask_world=:austlii:au&mask_path=+au/cases/nsw+au/legis/nsw+au/other/nswlrc lists 496 references to the offence of Burglary.
HOWEVER… I concede that that offence has recently been replaced with that of Aggravated Break and Enter due to an upsurge in home invasions which weren’t properly addressed by the old section. I have lost count of the number of people Ive had locked up for burglary, but I’ve retired and things have obviously changed in my absence.

IrishPete said :

I call bullshit on both.

I can recall no such case in recent years. I can recall cases where babies and toddlers have been recovered from stolen cars. Nor can Google find any – search for “Sydney baby stolen car” without the quotes and you find two cases where the baby was recovered. If you can provide reliable information, I am happy to be corrected.

IP

Don’t worry, be happy…

Leo Nguyen, aged two years 10 months, died of heat exhaustion after his mother’s BMW was stolen from outside a noodle shop in Cabramatta in December 2000. His mother had left the keys in the ignition and the airconditioning on, but when the car was found some two hours and 20 minutes later, the doors and windows were closed and the temperature was about 50C. The toddler died shortly after in hospital.

Now you go back to making excuses for criminals, you do make a living out of it, obviously.

Ado said: “ACT Criminal Code 2002, section 311”

Aarrggh, I am undone.

He did say his BS about NSW, so I double-checked it before going to print, but didn’t double check the ACT.

IP

IrishPete said :

In fact the term burglary doesn’t exist in the NSW Crimes Act. Nor do I think it exists in the ACT. Break and Enter is the more accurate legal term.

ACT Criminal Code 2002, section 311.

Knuckles said “I’ve worked at the scene of these accidents with both the victims and offenders and I can honestly say that Irish Pete, you’re a fuckwit with no idea what actually happens in the real world.”

I’ll ignore the infantile abuse, though it makes it hard to take you seriously..

I will take your word for it (despite the number of fantasists one finds on the RiotACT) that you have worked at the scene of car crashes (note I don’t call them accidents – they rarely are), and some of them were of stolen cars. But my comments are about car thefts and you have not worked at the scene of those with the victim and the offender, because that’s physically impossible. Read the posts and comment on the right issue, you’ll find it is good for your blood pressure.

Of course, I didn’t attend a MVA (and I don’t actually use that term because the A stands for accident which they rarely are) a few days ago with every airbag deployed and the back axle sitting on the other the road. Nor a rolled over ute a few weeks before. Neither vehicle was stolen. Both drivers were likely intoxicated. I must have dreamt those incidents. Because I don’t live in the real world. Only you do. Sarcasm ends.

“Car theft is serious because car theft is serious. “

You’re right, everything is serious. There are no gradations of seriousness. Now go back to listening to Alan Jones and giving yourself high blood pressure.

IP

Mike Crowther said :

Well for me the answer is yes. (though its not a situation I’d wish on anybody.) A few years ago we had the situation of a putrid scrote steal a car in s-w Sydney whilst a toddler was strapped into the child seat ion the back. The thief calmly parked the car in a suburban street and abandoned it in the summer sun with the windows rolled up. Once upon a time a thief in this situation would have called the police and told them where the vehicle was. Those days seem to be over. Despite a full and ongoing search, the child was found dead still strapped in his seat several hours later. So, if it was my child, on balance, I’d want the police to try and run the offender to ground.

O, and Pete: Burglary involves breaking into a dwelling at ‘night’. (‘Night’ is defined in the NSW Crimes Act as the hours between 9pm and 6 am). I haven’t bothered to learn what it is in the ACT because let’s face it, with the judiciary we’ve got here, there may as well not be a Crimes Act. ‘Breaking’ has nothing to do with force. If I open your front door without permission I have broken the seal between the door and the dwelling. Rather than get your legal definitions from Wikipedia, you might want to try http://www.austlii.edu.au/ more local and up to date.

I call bullshit on both.

I can recall no such case in recent years. I can recall cases where babies and toddlers have been recovered from stolen cars. Nor can Google find any – search for “Sydney baby stolen car” without the quotes and you find two cases where the baby was recovered. If you can provide reliable information, I am happy to be corrected.

As for burglary being at night, bullshit too. There is no requirement for burglary to be at night, except in your dreams. In fact the term burglary doesn’t exist in the NSW Crimes Act. Nor do I think it exists in the ACT. Break and Enter is the more accurate legal term. Night-time never enters the equation. But Burglary is used in other jurisdictions, and there’s a fairly common understanding of what it means. Add the word “aggravated” and it becomes fuzzier, as different jurisdictions have different definitions of aggravated.

The word Robbery, in contrast, is commonly misunderstood, with it meaning theft or burglary in common parlance, quite different from its legal meaning which has to involve violence or the threat of violence.

I don’t need to check Wikipedia or AUSTLII for this stuff (but I did just check AUSTLII for the NSW Crimes Act, just to be 100% certain). Perhaps you should. Try clicking on the link you provided and go from there.

IP

and looking at the players in this game from their respective FB pages – Skye Webbe appears to be a mum now. And she’s also friends with someone who happens to have the same name as the Clea Rose killer (oops – I know – I can’t say Brad Pitt’s real name…) wonder if it the same one…? and Debbie Webbe still has her own ‘I hate police car chases’ page.

it really is a bit of a bogan underworld out there.

Holden Caulfield11:37 pm 08 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

Burglary is not theft – burglary is breaking into someone’s property, and stealing.

Yeah, kind of like breaking into a car and stealing it, I guess. Same shit, different smell.

IrishPete said :

If you want to say that all car theft is serious because sometimes people use the car to put bombs in and blow people up, then discussing the issue of car theft with you is pointless. (And yet, that was the line taken where and when I grew up – police would shoot joyriders.)

You also seem to be trying to claim that all road accident deaths are in stolen cars, and that is patently untrue.

Lol, wut?

I’m talking about consequences related to the car theft Einstein. Not unrelated consequences being dreamed up by you.

Car theft is serious because car theft is serious. You might laugh it off if someone nicked your car and say “gee thank god that wasn’t serious”, but I’d be pretty pissed off if it happened to me.

Yes, of course, there are other more serious crimes, but if we’re starting to dismiss car theft as just a minor inconvenience I think we’ve got a few problems.

An excellent contribution to the discussion. Keep them coming.

The fantasy land people are the ones who sit at their computers, listening to talkback radio, and think that’s the real world. I’ve worked with victims and offenders. Have you?

IP

I’ve worked at the scene of these accidents with both the victims and offenders and I can honestly say that Irish Pete, you’re a fuckwit with no idea what actually happens in the real world.

Mike Crowther8:42 pm 08 Feb 14

Irish Pete said “..On another forum I saw someone say “wouldn’t you want the police to chase someone if they’d just stolen your car with your baby in it?” and for me the answer would be “no”, because chasing the car will put the baby at greater risk…”

Well for me the answer is yes. (though its not a situation I’d wish on anybody.) A few years ago we had the situation of a putrid scrote steal a car in s-w Sydney whilst a toddler was strapped into the child seat ion the back. The thief calmly parked the car in a suburban street and abandoned it in the summer sun with the windows rolled up. Once upon a time a thief in this situation would have called the police and told them where the vehicle was. Those days seem to be over. Despite a full and ongoing search, the child was found dead still strapped in his seat several hours later. So, if it was my child, on balance, I’d want the police to try and run the offender to ground.

O, and Pete: Burglary involves breaking into a dwelling at ‘night’. (‘Night’ is defined in the NSW Crimes Act as the hours between 9pm and 6 am). I haven’t bothered to learn what it is in the ACT because let’s face it, with the judiciary we’ve got here, there may as well not be a Crimes Act. ‘Breaking’ has nothing to do with force. If I open your front door without permission I have broken the seal between the door and the dwelling. Rather than get your legal definitions from Wikipedia, you might want to try http://www.austlii.edu.au/ more local and up to date.

IrishPete said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

screaming banshee said :

IrishPete said :

It’s not the stealing of the car that is serious, it’s the behaviour of some car thieves after they have stolen it.

You mean like Bradley Potts?

trying to get the RiotACT shut down for contempt of court, are we?

IP

I’m pretty sure that posting a name but with zero other info can get the courts involved.

When I checked after, I found the name has been posted at least twice before on RiotACT, so yes, I withdraw…

IP

http://the-riotact.com/crk-back-behind-bars/12489/comment-page-2

Mysteryman said :

It’s easy if you’re IrishPete. You just have to live in your own little fantasy land of lofty, nonsensical ideals that run contrary to common sense and community sentiment.

An excellent contribution to the discussion. Keep them coming.

The fantasy land people are the ones who sit at their computers, listening to talkback radio, and think that’s the real world. I’ve worked with victims and offenders. Have you?

IP

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

screaming banshee said :

IrishPete said :

It’s not the stealing of the car that is serious, it’s the behaviour of some car thieves after they have stolen it.

You mean like Bradley Potts?

trying to get the RiotACT shut down for contempt of court, are we?

IP

I’m pretty sure that posting a name but with zero other info can get the courts involved.

When I checked after, I found the name has been posted at least twice before on RiotACT, so yes, I withdraw…

IP

Holden Caulfield said :

IrishPete said :

Spiral said :

Holden Caulfield said :

So car thefts are now being described as “relatively minor offences” by the town mayor.

Nice!

He has been a crusader against police chases for a long time, and has been quite dishonest when presenting evidence to support his goal.

Yes they are a minor crime compared to burglary, robbery…

So burglary and robbery (ie. theft) are serious crimes, but stealing a car (ie. theft) is not?

How does that work?

Remember, some cars are stolen with force too (ie. car jacking/robbery).

And how can you just dismiss car theft so easily because there are other charges to cover consequences of related actions, such as the unfortunate outcomes delivered by Mully/Monfries.

If the cars weren’t nicked in the first place the brainiacs behind the wheel wouldn’t be in the business of mowing people down.

It’s easy if you’re IrishPete. You just have to live in your own little fantasy land of lofty, nonsensical ideals that run contrary to common sense and community sentiment.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd5:00 pm 08 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

screaming banshee said :

IrishPete said :

It’s not the stealing of the car that is serious, it’s the behaviour of some car thieves after they have stolen it.

You mean like Bradley Potts?

trying to get the RiotACT shut down for contempt of court, are we?

IP

I’m pretty sure that posting a name but with zero other info can get the courts involved.

Holden Caulfield said :

So burglary and robbery (ie. theft) are serious crimes, but stealing a car (ie. theft) is not?

How does that work?

Remember, some cars are stolen with force too (ie. car jacking/robbery).

And how can you just dismiss car theft so easily because there are other charges to cover consequences of related actions, such as the unfortunate outcomes delivered by Mully/Monfries.

If the cars weren’t nicked in the first place the brainiacs behind the wheel wouldn’t be in the business of mowing people down.

Instead of asking me, you could try Wikipedia.

Burglary is not theft – burglary is breaking into someone’s property, and stealing. Without the breaking in, it is just stealing. breaking into someone’s property is serious, particularly if it’s their residence – even if they’re not home it can be extremely traumatising.

Robbery is theft with violence, or the threat of violence. Without the violence/threat it would be theft. Violence can be extremely traumatising.

Car jacking is robbery. I doubt car jacking exists as an offence in legislation.

If you want to say that all car theft is serious because sometimes people use the car to put bombs in and blow people up, then discussing the issue of car theft with you is pointless. (And yet, that was the line taken where and when I grew up – police would shoot joyriders.)

You also seem to be trying to claim that all road accident deaths are in stolen cars, and that is patently untrue.

The point of this discussion is that few if any stolen cars would run people down if they weren’t being chased by police (or think they were being chased). The public policy question is whether the benefits of chasing outweigh the risks. On another forum I saw someone say “wouldn’t you want the police to chase someone if they’d just stolen your car with your baby in it?” and for me the answer would be “no”, because chasing the car will put the baby at greater risk.

IP

Holden Caulfield10:48 pm 07 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

Spiral said :

Holden Caulfield said :

So car thefts are now being described as “relatively minor offences” by the town mayor.

Nice!

He has been a crusader against police chases for a long time, and has been quite dishonest when presenting evidence to support his goal.

Yes they are a minor crime compared to burglary, robbery…

So burglary and robbery (ie. theft) are serious crimes, but stealing a car (ie. theft) is not?

How does that work?

Remember, some cars are stolen with force too (ie. car jacking/robbery).

And how can you just dismiss car theft so easily because there are other charges to cover consequences of related actions, such as the unfortunate outcomes delivered by Mully/Monfries.

If the cars weren’t nicked in the first place the brainiacs behind the wheel wouldn’t be in the business of mowing people down.

magiccar9 said :

Cool so you’ll donate me $30,000 to buy a new one then as the iinsurance companies don’t pay out if its stolen, thrashed, and left on the side of the road. However I suppose those who make these comments are generally cashed up and don’t give two sh*ts about other peoples property.

What kind of insurance doesn’t pay out on a stolen car?

Anyway, the law doesn’t seem to distinguish much between someone who steals your car to go down the shops and buy a cigarette, and in the process causes minimal damage and uses a small amount of petrol, and someone who steals your car to rebirth it for huge financial gain. In between are the joyriders who probably cause a lot of hidden damage through mistreating the engine, driveline suspension etc. The last group are probably he one who present the greatest road safety risk.

That’s a problem with the law, and one which should be fixed.

I am pretty sure that in some supposedly civilised places, it is not even called “theft” if the offender had no intention to, and/or did not actually, permanently deprive you of your vehicle. That’s the kind of laughable law that brings lawyers and the legal system into disrepute.

IP

bundah said :

I think it depends on who the person is that has stolen the car eg, there is Thor Christiansen( not sure about the surname spelling) who you probably know given he’s doing yet another stint in AMC.

The stories that I have heard, from reliable sources, about what he got up to on multiple occasions re car thefts and robberies most wouldn’t believe. Yes his actions behind the wheel were incredibly dangerous and stupid. It is only due to good fortune that others weren’t seriously injured or killed.

As soon as you mention robberies you have moved the goalposts. The discussion is about car thieves. People who steal cars to commit robberies, or other extremely serious crime, are a tiny minority of car thieves.

IP

screaming banshee said :

IrishPete said :

It’s not the stealing of the car that is serious, it’s the behaviour of some car thieves after they have stolen it.

You mean like Bradley Potts?

trying to get the RiotACT shut down for contempt of court, are we?

IP

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd7:05 pm 07 Feb 14

Pork Hunt said :

Firstly, for many people, their car is the second most expensive thing they will ever buy, yet the law regards car thieves as if they stole a Mars Bar when they appear before the courts (in my opinion Nerdy Wordy).
Secondly, what excuse is there for stealing a car?
Thirdly, in olden days before the car replaced the horse, horse thieves were hanged (refer to second point).

Porky worky, I think you only posted facts then, not opinions.

screaming banshee said :

IrishPete said :

It’s not the stealing of the car that is serious, it’s the behaviour of some car thieves after they have stolen it.

You mean like Bradley Potts?

Or that total piece of shit Justin Monfries! Fortunately Justice Nield sentenced him coz i’d hate to think what Higgins or Refshauge would’ve given him…

screaming banshee6:12 pm 07 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

It’s not the stealing of the car that is serious, it’s the behaviour of some car thieves after they have stolen it.

You mean like Bradley Potts?

dtc said :

Holden Caulfield said :

So car thefts are now being described as “relatively minor offences” by the town mayor.

Nice!

Its just a car. They are replaceable, unlike injuries from assaults etc (let alone more serious crimes)

Cool so you’ll donate me $30,000 to buy a new one then as the iinsurance companies don’t pay out if its stolen, thrashed, and left on the side of the road. However I suppose those who make these comments are generally cashed up and don’t give two sh*ts about other peoples property.

Firstly, for many people, their car is the second most expensive thing they will ever buy, yet the law regards car thieves as if they stole a Mars Bar when they appear before the courts (in my opinion Nerdy Wordy).
Secondly, what excuse is there for stealing a car?
Thirdly, in olden days before the car replaced the horse, horse thieves were hanged (refer to second point).

IrishPete said :

Spiral said :

Holden Caulfield said :

So car thefts are now being described as “relatively minor offences” by the town mayor.

Nice!

He has been a crusader against police chases for a long time, and has been quite dishonest when presenting evidence to support his goal.

Yes they are a minor crime compared to burglary, robbery, sexual assault, serious assaults, GBH, attempted murder, drug dealing, murder. Car thefts are a major crime when compared to typical shoplifting, graffiti, theft of garden lights and gnomes. What was your point again?

Not many stolen cars kill people without a police car behind them. It’s not the stealing of the car that is serious, it’s the behaviour of some car thieves after they have stolen it. There are other charges for that.

Can you present me with some evidence of this statement “and has been quite dishonest when presenting evidence to support his goal” or your recollection of what you think Shane Rattenbury has said, so we can be sure your definition of “dishonest” isn’t “I don’t agree with him”?

IP

I think it depends on who the person is that has stolen the car eg, there is Thor Christiansen( not sure about the surname spelling) who you probably know given he’s doing yet another stint in AMC.

The stories that I have heard, from reliable sources, about what he got up to on multiple occasions re car thefts and robberies most wouldn’t believe. Yes his actions behind the wheel were incredibly dangerous and stupid. It is only due to good fortune that others weren’t seriously injured or killed.

Spiral said :

Holden Caulfield said :

So car thefts are now being described as “relatively minor offences” by the town mayor.

Nice!

He has been a crusader against police chases for a long time, and has been quite dishonest when presenting evidence to support his goal.

Yes they are a minor crime compared to burglary, robbery, sexual assault, serious assaults, GBH, attempted murder, drug dealing, murder. Car thefts are a major crime when compared to typical shoplifting, graffiti, theft of garden lights and gnomes. What was your point again?

Not many stolen cars kill people without a police car behind them. It’s not the stealing of the car that is serious, it’s the behaviour of some car thieves after they have stolen it. There are other charges for that.

Can you present me with some evidence of this statement “and has been quite dishonest when presenting evidence to support his goal” or your recollection of what you think Shane Rattenbury has said, so we can be sure your definition of “dishonest” isn’t “I don’t agree with him”?

IP

neanderthalsis said :

They had a chappie from one of the auto peak bodies on ABC local earlier this week speaking about the immobiliser recommendation. Apparently WA legislated that all cars have one and retrofitted thousands of older cars with them. It just had the effect of making the scum change their behaviour. More house break-ins targeting cars, more car jackings, more opportunistic thefts like loitering in service stations or airport drop offs and jumping in when the owner turns their back leaving their keys in the car. He also mentioned that the ACT has a retroftting program for anyone with a pre-1999 car being eligible for a free fitted immobiliser.

Untrue. The compulsory immobiliser scheme resulted in substantial reductions in car thefts, and there’s plenty of easily accessible research and statistical analysis confirming this. They have since increased again, but not back to the levels of the 1990s (before the scheme came in). In 1996 the rate was about 800 per 100,00 and it is now about 400 per 100,000. Car thefts reduced everywhere in Australia in recent years, but only WA experienced reductions in the late 1990s, when everyone else’s was going up.

The “chappie from one of the auto peak bodies” could have an axe to grind.

IP

Holden Caulfield said :

So car thefts are now being described as “relatively minor offences” by the town mayor.

Nice!

He has been a crusader against police chases for a long time, and has been quite dishonest when presenting evidence to support his goal.

Holden Caulfield said :

So car thefts are now being described as “relatively minor offences” by the town mayor.

Nice!

Its just a car. They are replaceable, unlike injuries from assaults etc (let alone more serious crimes)

Holden Caulfield11:01 am 07 Feb 14

So car thefts are now being described as “relatively minor offences” by the town mayor.

Nice!

neanderthalsis9:08 am 07 Feb 14

screaming banshee said :

bundah said :

Well the saga continues as we now have Mother of Mully offering some commentary surrounding the Coroner’s inquest into the infamous case, Nice of her not to blame police for what occurred although she thinks the Coroner’s recommendation that all cars likely to be targeted by thieves be fitted with immobilisers doesn’t make sense. I doubt very much if that would’ve stopped Mully..

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-cleared-over-fatal-crash-following-pursuit-20140206-322ic.html

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mother-of-driver-who-caused-three-deaths-in-chase-doesnt-blame-police-20140206-323vb.html

Like death and taxes…lowlife scum will steal cars. Whether they pop the locks/hotwire, break into your house to get the keys, or accost you in the street….they will still steal cars. Personally I’m quite happy that other people drive easily stolen falcodores so my vehicles are less likely to be targeted, and no-one is breaking into my house at night looking for keys.

Now if there was only some way to send a signal to these lowlife scum that once caught they face harsh penalties including the threat of gao……………..why do I bother,Boo ACT judicial system.

They had a chappie from one of the auto peak bodies on ABC local earlier this week speaking about the immobiliser recommendation. Apparently WA legislated that all cars have one and retrofitted thousands of older cars with them. It just had the effect of making the scum change their behaviour. More house break-ins targeting cars, more car jackings, more opportunistic thefts like loitering in service stations or airport drop offs and jumping in when the owner turns their back leaving their keys in the car. He also mentioned that the ACT has a retroftting program for anyone with a pre-1999 car being eligible for a free fitted immobiliser.

screaming banshee6:24 am 07 Feb 14

bundah said :

Well the saga continues as we now have Mother of Mully offering some commentary surrounding the Coroner’s inquest into the infamous case, Nice of her not to blame police for what occurred although she thinks the Coroner’s recommendation that all cars likely to be targeted by thieves be fitted with immobilisers doesn’t make sense. I doubt very much if that would’ve stopped Mully..

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-cleared-over-fatal-crash-following-pursuit-20140206-322ic.html

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mother-of-driver-who-caused-three-deaths-in-chase-doesnt-blame-police-20140206-323vb.html

Like death and taxes…lowlife scum will steal cars. Whether they pop the locks/hotwire, break into your house to get the keys, or accost you in the street….they will still steal cars. Personally I’m quite happy that other people drive easily stolen falcodores so my vehicles are less likely to be targeted, and no-one is breaking into my house at night looking for keys.

Now if there was only some way to send a signal to these lowlife scum that once caught they face harsh penalties including the threat of gao……………..why do I bother,Boo ACT judicial system.

Well the saga continues as we now have Mother of Mully offering some commentary surrounding the Coroner’s inquest into the infamous case, Nice of her not to blame police for what occurred although she thinks the Coroner’s recommendation that all cars likely to be targeted by thieves be fitted with immobilisers doesn’t make sense. I doubt very much if that would’ve stopped Mully..

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-cleared-over-fatal-crash-following-pursuit-20140206-322ic.html

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mother-of-driver-who-caused-three-deaths-in-chase-doesnt-blame-police-20140206-323vb.html

m00nee said :

A_Cog said :

Thanks for that update johnboy.

So whilst speeding away from the cops, the 23-year old Mully crashed into another car and wiped out a young family, comprised of two parents (M33 and F29) and a young baby boy (4 months). Additionally, Mully died, and his female teenage passenger got brain damage.

Is this about right?

Having had the mis-pleasure of dealing with Debbie Webbe i’m fairly sure that any brain damage Skye Webbe has was caused 9 months before she was born.

What do you expect from a women where every second word from her mouth is c@&t

Evil_Kitten said :

m00nee said :

Having had the mis-pleasure of dealing with Debbie Webbe i’m fairly sure that any brain damage Skye Webbe has was caused 9 months before she was born.

Wasn’t she all like “My daughter is just an innocent cherub!” about the whole thing too? You honestly can’t make this stuff up! Innocent cherub’s do not have boyfriends like Mully.

Was the first time I think TT/ACA actually checked their facts BEFORE an interview, Skyes facebook page was hilarious It was the greatest example of “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

m00nee said :

Having had the mis-pleasure of dealing with Debbie Webbe i’m fairly sure that any brain damage Skye Webbe has was caused 9 months before she was born.

Wasn’t she all like “My daughter is just an innocent cherub!” about the whole thing too? You honestly can’t make this stuff up! Innocent cherub’s do not have boyfriends like Mully.

A_Cog said :

Thanks for that update johnboy.

So whilst speeding away from the cops, the 23-year old Mully crashed into another car and wiped out a young family, comprised of two parents (M33 and F29) and a young baby boy (4 months). Additionally, Mully died, and his female teenage passenger got brain damage.

Is this about right?

Having had the mis-pleasure of dealing with Debbie Webbe i’m fairly sure that any brain damage Skye Webbe has was caused 9 months before she was born.

smiling politely said :

Robertson said :

For all we know, Mully saved it from a miserable life.

That’s an incredibly appalling, insensitive and ignorant thing to say. He was a four month old child. F*ck you.

It’s parents were junkie crims. It is likely to have spent its life scrounging off my taxes.

smiling politely9:00 am 31 Oct 13

Robertson said :

For all we know, Mully saved it from a miserable life.

That’s an incredibly appalling, insensitive and ignorant thing to say. He was a four month old child. F*ck you.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:44 pm 30 Oct 13

DrKoresh said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

Don’t drink and drive.

Pretty simple really

CGN likes to think of himself as left-wing and largely espousing progressive ideals while at the same time being a gross redneck. I find it a bit weird too. Though it’s understandable that Roundhead would hate memorials, because there’s no-one around who will mourn his passing when the time comes.

Huh? I thought not drink driving is the opposite of red neck activities???

Mr Gillespie5:22 pm 30 Oct 13

magiccar9 said :

Dilandach said :

Hopefully they disposed of the flano shirts, empty bourbon cans and Mully memorial items in the most tasteless way possible.

Whatever happened to the mother of the girl that was riding with shotgun with Mully?

I wonder how a flano would go through the tree chipper…. flano confetti sprayed everywhere!
Now if only we could get rid of the other pointless memorials from around Canberra for this – Woden interchange, random storm drains, and the back windows of every second hotted-up bogan commodore on the road.

and don’t forget the taxpayer-funded one at Lennox Gardens too…..

A_Cog said :

johnboy said :

The couple he hit were in breach of their bail conditions with stolen goods in their car.

As a result of the Mullocalypse literally dozens of court briefs were closed.

But a four month old baby boy, Brodie, was killed. And although Scott Opelaar and Samantha Ford were in breach of bail and possessing stolen property, they weren’t driving at +100kms/hr fleeing police putting other people’s lives at risk.

Now that I’m up to speed with this issue (no pun intended), I have no problem with people posting hideous comments about the karma that Mully or his brain-damaged passenger reaped. Good riddance. It’s a shame that a baby paid that cost.

Not much good ever comes to or of the babies of junkie crim scum like Opelaar and Ford. For all we know, Mully saved it from a miserable life.

johnboy said :

The couple he hit were in breach of their bail conditions with stolen goods in their car.

As a result of the Mullocalypse literally dozens of court briefs were closed.

But a four month old baby boy, Brodie, was killed. And although Scott Opelaar and Samantha Ford were in breach of bail and possessing stolen property, they weren’t driving at +100kms/hr fleeing police putting other people’s lives at risk.

Now that I’m up to speed with this issue (no pun intended), I have no problem with people posting hideous comments about the karma that Mully or his brain-damaged passenger reaped. Good riddance. It’s a shame that a baby paid that cost.

Thanks for that update johnboy.

So whilst speeding away from the cops, the 23-year old Mully crashed into another car and wiped out a young family, comprised of two parents (M33 and F29) and a young baby boy (4 months). Additionally, Mully died, and his female teenage passenger got brain damage.

Is this about right?

The couple he hit were in breach of their bail conditions with stolen goods in their car.

As a result of the Mullocalypse literally dozens of court briefs were closed.

Reading this trolling flame-war is tiresome.

Who is Mully? Can someone succinctly summarise what happened? I saw that tree all the time, and thought it ironic for people to commemorate a road fatality with racing tyre rims and Jack Daniels paraphernalia.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

Don’t drink and drive.

Pretty simple really

CGN likes to think of himself as left-wing and largely espousing progressive ideals while at the same time being a gross redneck. I find it a bit weird too. Though it’s understandable that Roundhead would hate memorials, because there’s no-one around who will mourn his passing when the time comes.

TheCreek said :

If you knew anything about the boy that died that night you’d know he was far from ‘scum’. He made a bad choice. The driver, from stories I’ve heard, may be scum. Instead of talking about people you don’t know just stfu.

You mean several bad choices, don’t you? The choice to have friends who were hoons and thieves, the choice to be out at night stealing from cars, and the choice to run from the security car? The Chifley tree has been vandalised with paint daubed on, crap attached to it and an assortment of trash at the base, not to mention grafitti painted on the nearby footpath. It doesn’t deserve such a fate. I don’t need to know much about fools to have an opinion about their actions.

Holden Caulfield9:46 am 30 Oct 13

An update on this not so sacred site. The tree stumps were removed yesterday and the three memorial crosses were moved to the other side of the road (Queanbeyan-bound).

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:16 pm 06 Oct 13

Masquara said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Masquara said :

Speaking of which …. we’re well into October … I nominate Deborah Avery for the Mully, for her “If you don’t want to be called a chickie, I’ll call you a c***” episode!

Yet, it is ok for you to refer to a young woman as a thing???

As you should know – if you were to be literate – there’s a term “bright young thing” dating from the 1920s, and it is not a pejorative.

You never included the word bright…

Also, if you had watched deadwood, then it’s perfectly fine to call a woman a c***, however! unlike you! I am not going to try and defend that.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Masquara said :

Speaking of which …. we’re well into October … I nominate Deborah Avery for the Mully, for her “If you don’t want to be called a chickie, I’ll call you a c***” episode!

Yet, it is ok for you to refer to a young woman as a thing???

As you should know – if you were to be literate – there’s a term “bright young thing” dating from the 1920s, and it is not a pejorative.

TheCreek said :

Roundhead89 said :

magiccar9 said :

Dilandach said :

Hopefully they disposed of the flano shirts, empty bourbon cans and Mully memorial items in the most tasteless way possible.

Whatever happened to the mother of the girl that was riding with shotgun with Mully?

I wonder how a flano would go through the tree chipper…. flano confetti sprayed everywhere!
Now if only we could get rid of the other pointless memorials from around Canberra for this – Woden interchange, random storm drains, and the back windows of every second hotted-up bogan commodore on the road.

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Roundhead, you’re a d***head. If you knew anything about the boy that died that night you’d know he was far from ‘scum’. He made a bad choice. The driver, from stories I’ve heard, may be scum. Instead of talking about people you don’t know just stfu.

Take the messy ‘memorial’ somewhere appropriate, like the cemetry. It’s not fair the the families in the area to have all that rubbish lying around, and idiots visting it as though it means something.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:32 pm 05 Oct 13

Masquara said :

Speaking of which …. we’re well into October … I nominate Deborah Avery for the Mully, for her “If you don’t want to be called a chickie, I’ll call you a c***” episode!

Yet, it is ok for you to refer to a young woman as a thing???

Speaking of which …. we’re well into October … I nominate Deborah Avery for the Mully, for her “If you don’t want to be called a chickie, I’ll call you a c***” episode!

Roundhead89 said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Roundhead’s comments are just a disgrace. What a lowlife person he/she must be to make them. Like all Canberrans I rejoiced at the drop in the petty crime rate following Mullygate, but the kids in Chifley were another matter.

Why were they a different matter? Because they were kids? The survivors of that crash should have been executed to prevent crime in the future and the parents jailed for breeding criminals. Oh and by the way, with a name like Roundhead it is pretty obvious I am a male, or did you flunk basic biology and sex education at school as well?

A male, but definately not a man.

Roundhead89 said :

magiccar9 said :

Dilandach said :

Hopefully they disposed of the flano shirts, empty bourbon cans and Mully memorial items in the most tasteless way possible.

Whatever happened to the mother of the girl that was riding with shotgun with Mully?

I wonder how a flano would go through the tree chipper…. flano confetti sprayed everywhere!
Now if only we could get rid of the other pointless memorials from around Canberra for this – Woden interchange, random storm drains, and the back windows of every second hotted-up bogan commodore on the road.

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Roundhead, you’re a d***head. If you knew anything about the boy that died that night you’d know he was far from ‘scum’. He made a bad choice. The driver, from stories I’ve heard, may be scum. Instead of talking about people you don’t know just stfu.

Was there a public notice about this work? I saw one recently for work cleaning up wattle in the other direction. Seems a pity to loose these trees as it was the only handsome stretch of road left in the Fyshwick-Pialligo area.

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Roundhead’s comments are just a disgrace. What a lowlife person he/she must be to make them. Like all Canberrans I rejoiced at the drop in the petty crime rate following Mullygate, but the kids in Chifley were another matter.

Why were they a different matter? Because they were kids? The survivors of that crash should have been executed to prevent crime in the future and the parents jailed for breeding criminals. Oh and by the way, with a name like Roundhead it is pretty obvious I am a male, or did you flunk basic biology and sex education at school as well?

Queen_of_the_Bun9:36 am 15 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

I never agree with Roundhead but his comment seems fine. Not sure about your outrage?

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

Don’t drink and drive.

Pretty simple really

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/17yo-to-face-court-over-fatal-chifley-crash-20120719-22b7j.html

Sergeant Rod Anderson said the boy will be summonsed to the children’s court at a later date on serious driving offences. He said alcohol was not involved in the crash, but couldn’t confirm whether the car was speeding.

They weren’t drinking and driving. The kid who died was a passenger. I’m guessing your next response will be ‘Don’t speed. Pretty simple really’ while completely ignoring the original point, which was that the vitriol and hatred expressed in Roundhead’s post – which you seem happy to defend – isn’t something I’m willing to sit back and watch. Anyway, if you want to continue to defend the indefensible, and boil down complicated situations to simple slogans, then good luck to you. One of these days you’ll figure out that the people you’re so flippantly posting about are – or were – real, living human beings. Then at 16, one kid’s life was snuffed out. I think it’s ok to be sad about that without disclaimers.

Don’t speed, pretty simple really.

You are a hideous troll. You must have very little in your life.

I have everything I could ask for, to be honest.

Please refrain from personnel attacks for no reason.

Personnel? I’m attacking your people?

Queen_of_the_Bun9:12 pm 14 Sep 13

Roundhead’s comments are just a disgrace. What a lowlife person he/she must be to make them. Like all Canberrans I rejoiced at the drop in the petty crime rate following Mullygate, but the kids in Chifley were another matter.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:13 pm 14 Sep 13

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

I never agree with Roundhead but his comment seems fine. Not sure about your outrage?

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

Don’t drink and drive.

Pretty simple really

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/17yo-to-face-court-over-fatal-chifley-crash-20120719-22b7j.html

Sergeant Rod Anderson said the boy will be summonsed to the children’s court at a later date on serious driving offences. He said alcohol was not involved in the crash, but couldn’t confirm whether the car was speeding.

They weren’t drinking and driving. The kid who died was a passenger. I’m guessing your next response will be ‘Don’t speed. Pretty simple really’ while completely ignoring the original point, which was that the vitriol and hatred expressed in Roundhead’s post – which you seem happy to defend – isn’t something I’m willing to sit back and watch. Anyway, if you want to continue to defend the indefensible, and boil down complicated situations to simple slogans, then good luck to you. One of these days you’ll figure out that the people you’re so flippantly posting about are – or were – real, living human beings. Then at 16, one kid’s life was snuffed out. I think it’s ok to be sad about that without disclaimers.

Don’t speed, pretty simple really.

You are a hideous troll. You must have very little in your life.

I have everything I could ask for, to be honest.

Please refrain from personnel attacks for no reason.

Queen_of_the_Bun11:52 am 14 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

I never agree with Roundhead but his comment seems fine. Not sure about your outrage?

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

Don’t drink and drive.

Pretty simple really

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/17yo-to-face-court-over-fatal-chifley-crash-20120719-22b7j.html

Sergeant Rod Anderson said the boy will be summonsed to the children’s court at a later date on serious driving offences. He said alcohol was not involved in the crash, but couldn’t confirm whether the car was speeding.

They weren’t drinking and driving. The kid who died was a passenger. I’m guessing your next response will be ‘Don’t speed. Pretty simple really’ while completely ignoring the original point, which was that the vitriol and hatred expressed in Roundhead’s post – which you seem happy to defend – isn’t something I’m willing to sit back and watch. Anyway, if you want to continue to defend the indefensible, and boil down complicated situations to simple slogans, then good luck to you. One of these days you’ll figure out that the people you’re so flippantly posting about are – or were – real, living human beings. Then at 16, one kid’s life was snuffed out. I think it’s ok to be sad about that without disclaimers.

Don’t speed, pretty simple really.

You are a hideous troll. You must have very little in your life.

I knew about the “not to go near each other” bit of that couple, but not the bootload of stolen goods. interesting.

YeahBuddy said :

Possibly we are missing a crucial piece of evidence here – the evening before the accident, Adult 1 was arrested for breaching a DVO or AVO on Adult 2. Adult 1 was bailed on conditions to not go anywhere near Adult 2. If Adult 1 and Adult 2 had any ounce of respect for the law, they wouldn’t have been together at all in that car, on the road, at the wrong time, and the baby would be alive today.

..and they wouldn’t have had a boot full of stolen goods.

Dilandach said :

iii said :

. I always imagine him assessing the timber he was nailed to for its hardness and better, more peaceful, uses.

He believes he organized the whole crucifixion…hardly a peaceful being.

His cult is just a free pass to do what one wants..hence the reason why most bogans were or tattoo his loving and peaceful symbol.

…and people wonder why there are warnings on the bottles underneath sinks.

*wear

You must be able to see…lucky.

grunge_hippy said :

YeahBuddy said :

CraigT said :

grunge_hippy said :

you forget that it wasn’t just mully who died there, 3 other people also died, including a baby. While the merits of their lives will no doubt be dissected and derided by the masses again, the memorial was for them not him.

The two adults were criminal scum.

The baby wasn’t yet one, though.

I lol’d – how bad of me.

Having known one of the adults that died, and knowing of the other, I think it is safe to say that the poor innocent child might have actually stood a chance in life as I am almost certain it would have joined its half siblings under CPS.

Yup I knew them too, though indirectly, and especially knew those half siblings you speak of and even though they are a product of their upbringing, it still doesn’t diminish that their family is mourning them. I think it’s sad that just because people live their life different to your own, it shouldn’t mean their death was any less horrific for those they left behind, especially in these circumstances where they were taken out so randomly and horribly. Would we be so harsh if it was a public servant (insert any other “standard” job) and his wife and child? nope.

To each their own I guess

I’m not saying that their families aren’t mourning for them – of course they would be. And sure the death was horrific – I remember feeling physically ill when I saw the images and then connected the dots; no one deserved to go out that way (except Mully).

Possibly we are missing a crucial piece of evidence here – the evening before the accident, Adult 1 was arrested for breaching a DVO or AVO on Adult 2. Adult 1 was bailed on conditions to not go anywhere near Adult 2. If Adult 1 and Adult 2 had any ounce of respect for the law, they wouldn’t have been together at all in that car, on the road, at the wrong time, and the baby would be alive today.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:53 am 13 Sep 13

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

I never agree with Roundhead but his comment seems fine. Not sure about your outrage?

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

Don’t drink and drive.

Pretty simple really

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/17yo-to-face-court-over-fatal-chifley-crash-20120719-22b7j.html

Sergeant Rod Anderson said the boy will be summonsed to the children’s court at a later date on serious driving offences. He said alcohol was not involved in the crash, but couldn’t confirm whether the car was speeding.

They weren’t drinking and driving. The kid who died was a passenger. I’m guessing your next response will be ‘Don’t speed. Pretty simple really’ while completely ignoring the original point, which was that the vitriol and hatred expressed in Roundhead’s post – which you seem happy to defend – isn’t something I’m willing to sit back and watch. Anyway, if you want to continue to defend the indefensible, and boil down complicated situations to simple slogans, then good luck to you. One of these days you’ll figure out that the people you’re so flippantly posting about are – or were – real, living human beings. Then at 16, one kid’s life was snuffed out. I think it’s ok to be sad about that without disclaimers.

Don’t speed, pretty simple really.

iii said :

. I always imagine him assessing the timber he was nailed to for its hardness and better, more peaceful, uses.

He believes he organized the whole crucifixion…hardly a peaceful being.

His cult is just a free pass to do what one wants..hence the reason why most bogans were or tattoo his loving and peaceful symbol.

…and people wonder why there are warnings on the bottles underneath sinks.

Holden Caulfield11:20 am 13 Sep 13

An update on the Mully memorial, now only the three crosses remain. All the paraphernalia adorning them has been removed.

. I always imagine him assessing the timber he was nailed to for its hardness and better, more peaceful, uses.

He believes he organized the whole crucifixion…hardly a peaceful being.

His cult is just a free pass to do what one wants..hence the reason why most bogans were or tattoo his loving and peaceful symbol.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

I never agree with Roundhead but his comment seems fine. Not sure about your outrage?

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

Don’t drink and drive.

Pretty simple really

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/17yo-to-face-court-over-fatal-chifley-crash-20120719-22b7j.html

Sergeant Rod Anderson said the boy will be summonsed to the children’s court at a later date on serious driving offences. He said alcohol was not involved in the crash, but couldn’t confirm whether the car was speeding.

They weren’t drinking and driving. The kid who died was a passenger. I’m guessing your next response will be ‘Don’t speed. Pretty simple really’ while completely ignoring the original point, which was that the vitriol and hatred expressed in Roundhead’s post – which you seem happy to defend – isn’t something I’m willing to sit back and watch. Anyway, if you want to continue to defend the indefensible, and boil down complicated situations to simple slogans, then good luck to you. One of these days you’ll figure out that the people you’re so flippantly posting about are – or were – real, living human beings. Then at 16, one kid’s life was snuffed out. I think it’s ok to be sad about that without disclaimers.

poetix said :

Deref said :

Robertson said :

How was Jesus a bogan?

He was a tradie. I bet he rode around in the equivalent of a ute – probably a cart pulled by half a dozen talking donkeys or a T Rex. Probably spent his weekends turning water into wine and getting pissed with his mates.

(Watch out…religion ahead….). Yes, he did drink and eat with his mates, and even women. And yes he was a tradie, or raised as one. I always imagine him assessing the timber he was nailed to for its hardness and better, more peaceful, uses.

I aint the most religious person, but I can’t imagine Jesus having a chicken parma at Tradies dressed in his hi-vis gear, while Mary M is putting $20 through the pokies.

Blessed are the butchers for they provide the meat tray

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd7:05 pm 12 Sep 13

thatsnotme said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

I never agree with Roundhead but his comment seems fine. Not sure about your outrage?

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

Don’t drink and drive.

Pretty simple really

Deref said :

Robertson said :

How was Jesus a bogan?

He was a tradie. I bet he rode around in the equivalent of a ute – probably a cart pulled by half a dozen talking donkeys or a T Rex. Probably spent his weekends turning water into wine and getting pissed with his mates.

(Watch out…religion ahead….). Yes, he did drink and eat with his mates, and even women. And yes he was a tradie, or raised as one. I always imagine him assessing the timber he was nailed to for its hardness and better, more peaceful, uses.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thatsnotme said :

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

I never agree with Roundhead but his comment seems fine. Not sure about your outrage?

A 16 year old dies, another is left with permanent brain damage, and you don’t see any issue with a comment like ‘it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident’?

Someone’s son / daughter / friend dies at 16 after making a stupid choice, and Roundhead’s reaction is wanting to vomit because someone cares enough about the victim to want to memorialise their death, finishing with a ‘Good riddance to bad rubbish’ comment, and you seriously can’t see what’s not ok about that?? If you honestly think that’s ok, then you need to take a good look at yourself as well.

grunge_hippy6:21 pm 12 Sep 13

YeahBuddy said :

CraigT said :

grunge_hippy said :

you forget that it wasn’t just mully who died there, 3 other people also died, including a baby. While the merits of their lives will no doubt be dissected and derided by the masses again, the memorial was for them not him.

The two adults were criminal scum.

The baby wasn’t yet one, though.

I lol’d – how bad of me.

Having known one of the adults that died, and knowing of the other, I think it is safe to say that the poor innocent child might have actually stood a chance in life as I am almost certain it would have joined its half siblings under CPS.

Yup I knew them too, though indirectly, and especially knew those half siblings you speak of and even though they are a product of their upbringing, it still doesn’t diminish that their family is mourning them. I think it’s sad that just because people live their life different to your own, it shouldn’t mean their death was any less horrific for those they left behind, especially in these circumstances where they were taken out so randomly and horribly. Would we be so harsh if it was a public servant (insert any other “standard” job) and his wife and child? nope.

To each their own I guess

Robertson said :

How was Jesus a bogan?

He was a tradie. I bet he rode around in the equivalent of a ute – probably a cart pulled by half a dozen talking donkeys or a T Rex. Probably spent his weekends turning water into wine and getting pissed with his mates.

iii said :

Robertson said :

iii said :

Dilandach said :

iii said :

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

….i uh…okay?

Confusing, weird and devoid of any humour.

Free will my children.

Gobbledegook, my children.

How was Jesus a bogan? He was in fact an educated man in an age when education was a rarity. His education gave him the tools necessary to start a political movement and recruit followers.

If he had been an illiterate desert-dwelling thug you might call him a bogan.

You are using the term educated very loosely.

I am the waitress….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1y9BIjTSVk

Robertson said :

iii said :

Dilandach said :

iii said :

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

….i uh…okay?

Confusing, weird and devoid of any humour.

Free will my children.

Gobbledegook, my children.

How was Jesus a bogan? He was in fact an educated man in an age when education was a rarity. His education gave him the tools necessary to start a political movement and recruit followers.

If he had been an illiterate desert-dwelling thug you might call him a bogan.

You are using the term educated very loosely.

Jim Jones said :

iii said :

Dilandach said :

iii said :

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

….i uh…okay?

Confusing, weird and devoid of any humour.

Free will my children.

lurk moar

From you side only, free pass.

iii said :

Dilandach said :

iii said :

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

….i uh…okay?

Confusing, weird and devoid of any humour.

Free will my children.

Gobbledegook, my children.

How was Jesus a bogan? He was in fact an educated man in an age when education was a rarity. His education gave him the tools necessary to start a political movement and recruit followers.

If he had been an illiterate desert-dwelling thug you might call him a bogan.

CraigT said :

grunge_hippy said :

you forget that it wasn’t just mully who died there, 3 other people also died, including a baby. While the merits of their lives will no doubt be dissected and derided by the masses again, the memorial was for them not him.

The two adults were criminal scum.

The baby wasn’t yet one, though.

I lol’d – how bad of me.

Having known one of the adults that died, and knowing of the other, I think it is safe to say that the poor innocent child might have actually stood a chance in life as I am almost certain it would have joined its half siblings under CPS.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd1:22 pm 12 Sep 13

thatsnotme said :

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

I never agree with Roundhead but his comment seems fine. Not sure about your outrage?

iii said :

Dilandach said :

iii said :

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

….i uh…okay?

Confusing, weird and devoid of any humour.

Free will my children.

lurk moar

Dilandach said :

iii said :

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

….i uh…okay?

Confusing, weird and devoid of any humour.

Free will my children.

iii said :

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

….i uh…okay?

Confusing, weird and devoid of any humour.

iii said :

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

Nope. Still lost me I’m afraid…

poetix said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

The bogan of all bogans (jesus christ) believes he has made everything and everyone..I forgot he also gave free will to be good or bad…. He can also apparently stop all misery at any moment.

I don’t think it’s possible to be more bogan than that.

thebrownstreak69 said :

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Could be worse. Could be allah.

Very true.

thebrownstreak699:56 am 12 Sep 13

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Could be worse. Could be allah.

iii said :

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

Not quite following you there…

Brought to you by the bogan of all bogans jesus christ!

grunge_hippy said :

you forget that it wasn’t just mully who died there, 3 other people also died, including a baby. While the merits of their lives will no doubt be dissected and derided by the masses again, the memorial was for them not him.

The two adults were criminal scum.

The baby wasn’t yet one, though.

Roundhead89 said :

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Congratulations. This is possibly one of the most hateful things I’ve ever read on the RA – and considering I’ve been following the site for at least 3 or 4 years, that’s saying something.

Go take a good hard look at yourself, and see if you can figure out just when your sense of humanity and compassion died.

grunge_hippy9:18 pm 11 Sep 13

you forget that it wasn’t just mully who died there, 3 other people also died, including a baby. While the merits of their lives will no doubt be dissected and derided by the masses again, the memorial was for them not him.

Evil_Kitten said :

Why were these trees cut down?

Poplars are politically incorrect. We need to remove all the poplars and willows in order to cause massive bank erosion.
At least, I *think* that’s the plan.

Evil_Kitten said :

Why were these trees cut down?

Poplar trees are notorious for rotting and falling apart.
Not a brilliant choice for a roadside planting

Why were these trees cut down?

Holden Caulfield5:26 pm 11 Sep 13

Dilandach said :

Hopefully they disposed of the flano shirts, empty bourbon cans and Mully memorial items in the most tasteless way possible.

As noted in post #3 the memorial items (crosses and a teddy bear) are still by the tree stump.

magiccar9 said :

Dilandach said :

Hopefully they disposed of the flano shirts, empty bourbon cans and Mully memorial items in the most tasteless way possible.

Whatever happened to the mother of the girl that was riding with shotgun with Mully?

I wonder how a flano would go through the tree chipper…. flano confetti sprayed everywhere!
Now if only we could get rid of the other pointless memorials from around Canberra for this – Woden interchange, random storm drains, and the back windows of every second hotted-up bogan commodore on the road.

You forgot the tree in Chifley that was rammed by those kids at 1:30AM. I have to drive past that tree almost every day and it almost makes me vomit to think that rather than regarding the kids and victims as the scum they are – drinking, breaking into businesses and speeding in suburban streets – there are actually people who are regretful over the incident and have turned the site into a bizarre and very messy memorial. Good riddance to bad rubbish and let’s hope TAMS sends the chainsaws out there ASAP.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:05 pm 09 Sep 13

lol

“such is life” LOL…

Shame to lose the tree, but at least it served a noble purpose while it was alive – unlike Mully. I guess now his bogan family and mates will have to leave memorial cans of VB and Woodstock near the Woden bus interchange graffiti, under the back window stickers of their Commodores, or around each other’s neck tattoos.

neanderthalsis10:43 am 09 Sep 13

A drive past there on Sunday revealed nothing more than a stump littered with the bogan accoutrements of the Mully Memorial.

You can take our tree, but you will never take our WOODSTOCK!!!

Dilandach said :

Hopefully they disposed of the flano shirts, empty bourbon cans and Mully memorial items in the most tasteless way possible.

Whatever happened to the mother of the girl that was riding with shotgun with Mully?

I wonder how a flano would go through the tree chipper…. flano confetti sprayed everywhere!
Now if only we could get rid of the other pointless memorials from around Canberra for this – Woden interchange, random storm drains, and the back windows of every second hotted-up bogan commodore on the road.

Hopefully they disposed of the flano shirts, empty bourbon cans and Mully memorial items in the most tasteless way possible.

Whatever happened to the mother of the girl that was riding with shotgun with Mully?

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