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The Great Civic 40 Zone unveiled!

By johnboy 24 April 2013 72

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Shane Rattenbury has announced the works he’s been up to rolling out expanded 40 zones in the town centres:

Work to improve safety in the Belconnen, Civic and Tuggeranong town centres has started as the Government moves to introduc 40 kilometre per hour speed limit precincts, Minister for introduce Territory and Municipal Services, Shane Rattenbury, announced today.

“Following community and stakeholder consultation and success of reduced speed limits in Gungahlin and Woden, 40 km/h areas will be introduced in the Belconnen, Civic and introduced Tuggeranong town centres,” Mr Rattenbury said.

“Research indicates that a 40 km/h speed area can significantly reduce the risk of death for pedestrians and cyclists if there is a collision. For example, a 10 km/h decrease in speed from 50 km/h to 40 km/h can reduce the risk of death by over 50 percent.

“Slower speed environments are an important part of making our town centres safe for safer everyone to walk and cycle, and will have a minimal impact on drivers.

“At the same time they will encourage more people to walk and cycle which will help make me Canberra a more sustainable and active city.

“We’ve identified precincts in each of these three town centres where there is a high level of pedestrian movement and a minimum of 400 metres of retail and commercial development.

“This week, work will commence in these precincts to install traffic calming devices, such as speed cushions, in preparation for the reduced speed limit.”

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Masquara 12:29 pm 04 May 13

fromthecapital said :

Masquara said :

I drove across Shane Rattenbury’s two speed bumps in Akuna Street today. They are ridiculous – it’s a short bit of road, and I’ve never seen anyone speeding in it.

I’m not surprised… speed humps will prevent you from escaping cyclists brandishing pitchforks.

I work near there and motorists sometimes run the red if they are unfamiliar with the road. The risk is they could easily kill a pedestrian,

There are MANY streets in suburbia that need speed bumps far more urgently than these. What do they cost the ratepayer? I think this is just posturing.

fromthecapital 11:56 pm 03 May 13

Masquara said :

I drove across Shane Rattenbury’s two speed bumps in Akuna Street today. They are ridiculous – it’s a short bit of road, and I’ve never seen anyone speeding in it.

I’m not surprised… speed humps will prevent you from escaping cyclists brandishing pitchforks.

I work near there and motorists sometimes run the red if they are unfamiliar with the road. The risk is they could easily kill a pedestrian,

RB78 10:05 pm 03 May 13

Masquara said :

I drove across Shane Rattenbury’s two speed bumps in Akuna Street today. They are ridiculous – it’s a short bit of road, and I’ve never seen anyone speeding in it.

They put some speed cushions in on Reed St between Homeworld and the Hyperdome earlier in the week. Must say I think they are well placed – between the two Homeworld carpark entry/exit points. It slows the cars travelling towards Athllon down, allowing cars to get in and out of both the Hyperdome and Homeworld carparks a little more easily.

Looked like they were also about to lay some on Pitman St after the interchange exit, just before the entry to the old Markets carpark. Not sure if they’re really necessary there. Can’t think there’d be any significant pedestrian traffic there – given most would just cross at the lights at the top of the interchange.

Postalgeek 6:38 pm 03 May 13

gooterz said :

AAMI says that 59% of drivers admit to Carelessness and Distraction/Loss of concentration.

http://www.aami.com.au/sites/default/files/fm/news/accident-hot-spot-act.pdf

How are 40km/h limits going to improve attention and concentration?

As far as I can tell the top five hotspots linked by you are mostly 80 zones.

To quote your source:
Each of the crash hot spots in ACT that AAMI has identified are both high-traffic and have relatively high speed limits.

Shouldn’t 40 or even 50 and 60 zones be occupying the top 5 hotspots according to your theory?

And seeing how empirical evidence is allowed, I drive Monaro Highway daily and have yet to see a rear-ender near the speed cameras I pass. I don’t see regular heavy braking.

Masquara 6:05 pm 03 May 13

I drove across Shane Rattenbury’s two speed bumps in Akuna Street today. They are ridiculous – it’s a short bit of road, and I’ve never seen anyone speeding in it.

Jim Jones 5:42 pm 03 May 13

Ben_Dover said :

Do you have any views on the topic being discussed Jim?

I’m here primarily to poke fun at the idea that ‘slowing down will cause accidents because people will be bored and distracted’.

The ‘speed cameras cause accidents’ thing is pretty funny too.

The operating assumption seems to be that, if you try to limit anyone’s speed in any way, they’ll freak out and have an accident, which doesn’t leave one with much confidence in the basic competence of anyone on the roads.

The idea of traffic free zones in cities is personally appealing, but pragmatically difficult to institute. I’m not a big fan of the speed cushions, but to tell the truth, it’s hard to see how you’d slow people down any other way (even with speed cushions a certain amount of people will fang it).

The underlying cultural addiction to going as fast as we possibly can all the time is probably what needs to be addressed, and it’s precisely the reason why people propose such ludicrous arguments as the hoax ‘research’ cited by gooterz.

gooterz 4:29 pm 03 May 13

AAMI says that 59% of drivers admit to Carelessness and Distraction/Loss of concentration.

http://www.aami.com.au/sites/default/files/fm/news/accident-hot-spot-act.pdf

How are 40km/h limits going to improve attention and concentration?

gooterz 4:23 pm 03 May 13

Postalgeek said :

gooterz said :

I would argue that their slow speed and attention to the speed cushions caused inattention, as it was reaction time rather than speed that prevented the accident.

The same can be said for the large number of accidents that are caused by people breaking for speed cameras.

So do these stats you are citing indicate whether these people braking for speed cameras are going the speed limit, or whether they are going faster than the speed limit?

And is 100kmph too slow to notice a speed camera,
or anything for that matter? I am loving your rationale. Please continue.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3760348.html

People break and slow down even when doing 90 in a 100 zone around a speed camera.
This is evident to anyone who has ever travelled the Tuggeranong parkway in the last 5 years.
There was always a number of cars parked under the cotter road overpass giving each other driver details. Too many focused on their speed rather than what the other cars were doing.

Already in the main centres I’ve seen a number of cars line up with the bumps so their car goes over the edges, this means that serious time is taken from them looking around the road for pedestrians and other dangers

The timed camera’s are even worse. People constantly and unnecessarily breaking.
99.9% of people don’t speed though speed camera zones, yet how many are pulled up by undercover cops speeding elsewhere?

Speed cameras only catch the stupid, and fine them, but over time even those stupid wise up. The number of people caught by the camera’s drops over time. So they become more cost with little revenue.

Anyone who has any history of Canberra will realise that all the group centres used to have many more roads than they do now. Over time they had been closed off and opened to pedestrians alone.

Since the Canberra centre redevelopment they’ve made the roads stay open.

Woolley street
Anketell street
Bunda/Alinga Street
Benjamin way
Should all be closed or partially closed to most traffic, and made into malls.

For those that insist on asking me for stats etc.. Where has the government provided theirs?

dtc 4:12 pm 03 May 13

Jim Jones said :

Keijidosha said :

gooterz said :

The same can be said for the large number of accidents that are caused by people breaking for speed cameras.

[citation needed]

It’s probably the same *cough* “study” that he was citing earlier … you know, the one that was actually a hoax … that he took seriously.

Actually, the comment makes complete sense. If you ‘break’ for a speed camera, then the mere act of breaking means you have had an accident. QED

Ben_Dover 4:03 pm 03 May 13

Do you have any views on the topic being discussed Jim?

Jim Jones 3:52 pm 03 May 13

Keijidosha said :

gooterz said :

The same can be said for the large number of accidents that are caused by people breaking for speed cameras.

[citation needed]

It’s probably the same *cough* “study” that he was citing earlier … you know, the one that was actually a hoax … that he took seriously.

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