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By Proboscus 19 January 2014 166

Dear Rioters,

After spending the last month driving up and down the south coast with the wife and kids, I’ve observed many thousands of Canberrans holidaying during the festive season, so I feel I am in a good position to make this statement – ACT drivers are not only bad, they’re disrespectful of everyone else.

Here are some examples of what I’ve encountered over the last 5 weeks:

(1)  Keep left unless overtaking. A very simple concept that Canberrans don’t understand. I couldn’t tell you how many ACT rego plates I saw hogging the right hand lane whilst not overtaking, or actually driving slower than the drivers in left lane.

(2)  Talking on a mobile phone whilst driving. Again, I saw many ACT plated vehicles with their driver holding a phone to their ear. Some of them were driving in the right hand lane.

(3)  Canberrans with boats who can’t reverse them properly onto a boat ramp. Unfortunately for the locals who make a crust fishing, they have had a frustrating battle since Xmas with Canberra retards who don’t know how to back a boat trailer. If you own a boat, caravan or trailer, learn how to drive, reverse and park them.

(4)  Canberrans parking in loading zones or handicapped spaces. The laziness of Canberrans never ceases to amaze me. Unless you have a legitimate reason for parking in a handicapped parking space (not being able to back a boat trailer isn’t a legitimate reason), don’t park there. There are many retired people with disabilities living on the coast who really need those carparks.

I’m seriously thinking of registering my car in NSW next year so I’m not tarred with the same brush as the wankers I’ve mentioned above.


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magiccar9 7:36 pm 12 Feb 14

A_Cog said :

…Move left, stay left, pull your head in, stop being a douche.

This would look wonderful on a bumper sticker. I’ll take 10!

A_Cog 10:07 am 12 Feb 14

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

A_Cog said :

To the selfish clowns who see no problem with them clogging up the right-hand lane, and refuse to move left.. you may be blocking a car carrying:
– a kid going into anaphylaxis (heard about it)
– a passenger having a heart attack (heard about it)
– a woman in labour (happened to me)

Your sanctimonious twaddle about “you’re breaking the law going 85kms in an 80 zone” and “I’m allowed to go as fast as I like in the right-hand lane” and “nyah nyah nyah, I’m a giganto-douche whose passive-aggressive lane-blocking is indicative of my revenge against the rest of you for my failing to rise higher than APS4” just doesn’t cut the mustard.

Get out of the way, stay out of the way, and realise that keeping the right-hand lane clear helps keep traffic flowing smoothly – which is safety exemplified.

Heard of a ambulance? In fact, driving to hospital instead of calling a ambulance just proves how little you know about safety or even rational thought.

RE: a woman in labour, it’s not like in the movies. I have never heard of a 30 minute labour. No need to put baby and mother at risk because you refuse to educate yourself.

You, sir, are a muppet: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-12/unwitting-police-chase-car-headed-to-hospital-for-emergency-bir/5254150

I shudder to think about what could have happened had they been stuck behind you and the cord had been wrapped around the baby’s neck. Move left, stay left, pull your head in, stop being a douche.

Proboscus 12:33 pm 31 Jan 14

NoImRight said :

To OP

“Many thousands”…Really?

You’ve “observed” Canberra drivers. I think yes you have. What you’ve not “observed” is the NSW drivers doing all the same stuff. Its fun to beat up on ourselves but you’ve just noticed ACT drivers because thats what you’ve looked for. Theres a name for that too but I bet you have the internet and everything so can look it up.

Ive driven in every state and every state has crappy drivers. Plus in most cities Ive spoken to people who say the drivers in their city are the worst because blah blah blah.

Welcome to the Human Race. We do stuff that bugs others.

As the population of Batemans Bay more than doubles over the Christmas/New Year period, and that many other parts of the south coast are over-run by Canberrans, I can confidently say that “I’ve observed many thousands of Canberrans holidaying during the festive season”.

And thank you for welcoming me to the human race. I would’ve preferred it came from a hot blonde with daddy issues, but hey, I’m happy to be in the fold.

Postalgeek 9:13 am 31 Jan 14

Discussion of merges have reminded me of one occasional irritation: drivers who wait until the last inch of a lane before changing, even when space to change is there. We have several lengthy on-off ramp lanes where a driver can continue in that lane, or change. For example turning right from Canberra Avenue onto southbound Monaro, or turning off Commonwealth Ave onto Parkes Way.

Nothing against the law, just irksome; drivers would reasonably anticipate lane changes at the start of the section, not someone springing a change at the end, though now I stay in the right lane until the very end of these sections because such drivers exist. Some changes might be the result of a last minute change-of-mind, but more often than not it seems the driver just lacks situational awareness.

JC 6:48 am 31 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

It depends on the road markings. If they have right of way because of the road markings, then they have every right to get shitty.

IP

You were talking about ramps, the vast majority of which are cross the line merges. Off the top of my head I cannot think of any in the ACT actually.

Maybe you could consider the merge of Parkes Way and London CCT merge before running onto Commonwealth Ave to be one, though that is not really a ramp in the normal sense. Many ramps where there are two turning lanes have zipper merges ON the ramp but cross the line onto the main road. But that isn’t what you were talking about. That is probably the best way to describe Parkes Way and London CCT merge. Must say of all the merges in Canberra that is the one that ‘scares’ me the most due to the fact it is on a curved bit of road, with very little warning and different approach speeds.

Now if you know of any zipper merges in the ACT where a ramp joins the main road please list. I am happy to be proven wrong but reckon if I am the number will be counted on a single hand.

IrishPete 9:32 pm 30 Jan 14

magiccar9 said :

At last someone who understands the merging rules. People on the merging ramps need to understand they have to give way, and have no right to get sh*tty if people can’t (or simply don’t) get out of their way.

It depends on the road markings. If they have right of way because of the road markings, then they have every right to get shitty.

IP

magiccar9 6:16 pm 30 Jan 14

JC said :

I don’t think this is entirely true, I think it depends on the road markings and signs. In the absence of road markings or signs indicating the contrary, when merging, the general rule (I thought) is that the car in front has right of way.

Of course you could just apply some common sense, regardless of the supposed rule, and back off a little and let the car in from the left. It’s courteous, it’s safer than requiring them to stop (which they may have to do is there is no break in the traffic), and it barely slows you down.

IP

Half correct. There are two types of merge, but just to confuse people the signage could be the same for both, which is form one lane or there may be no signage at all, quite common on ramps.

The type of merge that is most commonly used on on-ramps but is used in some other locations around town (such as Gininderra Drive westbound just before Gungahlin Drive) is the terminating lane, (which could be the ramp) ends and they need to cross a dashed white line to continue. In this type of merge the car in the terminating lane, ie crossing the line MUST give way to any vehicle in the other lane. Outside of the ACT this type of merge is also very common away from intersections too.

The other type of merge commonly known as the zipper merge is where you have two marked lanes, they then both come to an area without any lane marking, but the words “form 1 lane” written in the gap and just one lane after. On this merge the car in front has right of way. No doubt there may be some ramp merges like this around town but not many.

So for clarity as you were talking about ramps, my comments only refer to ramps with the first type of merge where the merging car crosses a line.

Now interesting you mention the word courteous in your post. From what I can see courtosey goes both ways.

Now if you notice what I said is if I can get out of the way, peak hour or not I will. That is being courteous and using common sense is it not?

If it is busy AND the merging vehicle is already in front of me, even by an inch I will back off to create a gap for them to enter. That is courteous and using common sense is it not?

However if it isn’t busy but I cannot get out of the way due to being overtaken why should I have to back off? Why can’t the merging car back off and pull in behind? Remember the scenario I mentioned is the roads are not busy. As I said courtosey goes both ways and in this case I would expect the merging car to show me some courtosey. Is that not unreasonable?

Now didn’t mention it but I do the same myself when I am the mergee. If it is busy then I will be a little more assertive in my merging, but of course carefully watching the traffic in the lane I am trying to get into because ultimately I am the one that needs to give way if need be. (again referring to the cross the line merge) But if it is quiet I will always pull in behind the traffic in the through lane.

At last someone who understands the merging rules. People on the merging ramps need to understand they have to give way, and have no right to get sh*tty if people can’t (or simply don’t) get out of their way.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 5:00 pm 30 Jan 14

Pollushon said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pollushon said :

hetzjagd1 said :

ATTENTION:

If the speed l limit is 80 or lower and I need to drive in the right lane at 80 I am going to do so. If you have a problem with it? Well you have NO options. Want to tailgate me? I hope your reaction time is good and your insurance is up to date.

Blah, blah, TLDR.

You do realise there are people who use the road that have no regard for your car, your insurance or you life? That carry dangerous if not deadly implements? I pray it’s only you in the car should you be so unlucky to cross such a person, who follows you home and beats you to a pulp or worse.

You can protest your rights and their lack of options all you want while they kick your skull in, but ultimately it’s only going to serve a purpose when/if you’re able to speak again and make a statement to the Police, who in the off chance actually apprehend the perpetrator, gets a slap on the wrist, or a revolving AMC sleep over and from then on keeps a glaring eye out for you on the road, maybe to progress a sequel they’ve been writing around you as the antagonist.

Being courteous isn’t just about being courteous and car accidents aren’t the only thing to survive on the road these days. You’ve lived in a bubble for a while haven’t you?

What a ridiculous fear mongering comment. All I need to do is make eye contact with a road rager and straight away they are eyes front.
We are not living in some dangerous country full of life takers, you know?

You can convince yourself of whatever you like mate, it’s all just ponies and rainbows, I don’t disagree that I embellish to make a point. But seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? Brake checking to make a point about nothing? Needlessly endangering people over something so stupid as their pride in the eyes of strangers?

I used to get called out quite regularly to temporarily glaze vehicle windows until stock and insurance matters were sorted. Quite a number of those were road rage attacks, the most notable being a young mother with 4 grunts in car who was dragged through her smashed drivers wind-up by the hair, receiving a fractured skull and broken jaw. She only made a mistake, wasn’t even an intentional arse act. They only stopped kicking her because bystanders jumped in.

Sure Canberra is much less violent than other capital cities I’ve found, but it’s no Shangri-La. Yep, 99% of those steering wheel warriors are soft, lame and will stare ahead, they were born in Canberra of course! These surely are people who complain about the cold. It only takes the 1% to shatter your perfect existence. And why? All so one can be a prideful arrogant arsehat. That 1% are in your city mate, they also drive cars. Sorry, that’s just a fact, not fear mongering. I live across the road from one.

Why are these awful psychos never mentioned in the news?

Jhoe 11:59 am 30 Jan 14

Has anyone mentioned blinkers yet? I agree with all these terrible driving habits of canberrans, but lack of blinker use is pretty bad. Driving on northbourne I constantly watch people in front and behind just change lanes without indicating all the time. A while back one Rioters excuse was that they didnt indicate so that others didnt know where they were going. Thats the attitude of canberra people.

KB1971 8:57 am 30 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

KB1971 said :

IrishPete said :

KB1971: Sorry, I should have been more specific – I meant Carwoola Station, so south of the Hoskinstown turnoff you probably took.

IP

What road is that on? We turned left onto Briars Sharrow Road and then right onto Plains Road.

A couple of km further along Captains Flat Road, if you had not taken the Briars Sharrow turnoff. The bit of the CF Road you did use is generally wider than it is the further you get from Queanbeyan. The last 10km before Captains Flat is Suicide Alley for cyclists. Shame, as I’m sure it’s a great ride, but the road is just two narrow, tree-lined and winding.

IP

OK, yeah, that last bit into the Flat is complete shit hence why we went the way we did. Plus its tar, we want dirt! Dirty weekends riding are where its at!

JC 6:57 am 30 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

JC said :

For sure the ramps need to be longer, but you do realise that in this situation the vehicle merging MUST give way. I personally try to get out of the way of cars merging IF I CAN, if I cannot what I do depends upon the traffic and the merge.

I don’t think this is entirely true, I think it depends on the road markings and signs. In the absence of road markings or signs indicating the contrary, when merging, the general rule (I thought) is that the car in front has right of way.

Of course you could just apply some common sense, regardless of the supposed rule, and back off a little and let the car in from the left. It’s courteous, it’s safer than requiring them to stop (which they may have to do is there is no break in the traffic), and it barely slows you down.

IP

Half correct. There are two types of merge, but just to confuse people the signage could be the same for both, which is form one lane or there may be no signage at all, quite common on ramps.

The type of merge that is most commonly used on on-ramps but is used in some other locations around town (such as Gininderra Drive westbound just before Gungahlin Drive) is the terminating lane, (which could be the ramp) ends and they need to cross a dashed white line to continue. In this type of merge the car in the terminating lane, ie crossing the line MUST give way to any vehicle in the other lane. Outside of the ACT this type of merge is also very common away from intersections too.

The other type of merge commonly known as the zipper merge is where you have two marked lanes, they then both come to an area without any lane marking, but the words “form 1 lane” written in the gap and just one lane after. On this merge the car in front has right of way. No doubt there may be some ramp merges like this around town but not many.

So for clarity as you were talking about ramps, my comments only refer to ramps with the first type of merge where the merging car crosses a line.

Now interesting you mention the word courteous in your post. From what I can see courtosey goes both ways.

Now if you notice what I said is if I can get out of the way, peak hour or not I will. That is being courteous and using common sense is it not?

If it is busy AND the merging vehicle is already in front of me, even by an inch I will back off to create a gap for them to enter. That is courteous and using common sense is it not?

However if it isn’t busy but I cannot get out of the way due to being overtaken why should I have to back off? Why can’t the merging car back off and pull in behind? Remember the scenario I mentioned is the roads are not busy. As I said courtosey goes both ways and in this case I would expect the merging car to show me some courtosey. Is that not unreasonable?

Now didn’t mention it but I do the same myself when I am the mergee. If it is busy then I will be a little more assertive in my merging, but of course carefully watching the traffic in the lane I am trying to get into because ultimately I am the one that needs to give way if need be. (again referring to the cross the line merge) But if it is quiet I will always pull in behind the traffic in the through lane.

IrishPete 7:30 pm 29 Jan 14

JC said :

For sure the ramps need to be longer, but you do realise that in this situation the vehicle merging MUST give way. I personally try to get out of the way of cars merging IF I CAN, if I cannot what I do depends upon the traffic and the merge.

I don’t think this is entirely true, I think it depends on the road markings and signs. In the absence of road markings or signs indicating the contrary, when merging, the general rule (I thought) is that the car in front has right of way.

Of course you could just apply some common sense, regardless of the supposed rule, and back off a little and let the car in from the left. It’s courteous, it’s safer than requiring them to stop (which they may have to do is there is no break in the traffic), and it barely slows you down.

IP

IrishPete 7:17 pm 29 Jan 14

KB1971 said :

IrishPete said :

KB1971: Sorry, I should have been more specific – I meant Carwoola Station, so south of the Hoskinstown turnoff you probably took.

IP

What road is that on? We turned left onto Briars Sharrow Road and then right onto Plains Road.

A couple of km further along Captains Flat Road, if you had not taken the Briars Sharrow turnoff. The bit of the CF Road you did use is generally wider than it is the further you get from Queanbeyan. The last 10km before Captains Flat is Suicide Alley for cyclists. Shame, as I’m sure it’s a great ride, but the road is just two narrow, tree-lined and winding.

IP

Pollushon 7:11 pm 29 Jan 14

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pollushon said :

hetzjagd1 said :

ATTENTION:

If the speed l limit is 80 or lower and I need to drive in the right lane at 80 I am going to do so. If you have a problem with it? Well you have NO options. Want to tailgate me? I hope your reaction time is good and your insurance is up to date.

Blah, blah, TLDR.

You do realise there are people who use the road that have no regard for your car, your insurance or you life? That carry dangerous if not deadly implements? I pray it’s only you in the car should you be so unlucky to cross such a person, who follows you home and beats you to a pulp or worse.

You can protest your rights and their lack of options all you want while they kick your skull in, but ultimately it’s only going to serve a purpose when/if you’re able to speak again and make a statement to the Police, who in the off chance actually apprehend the perpetrator, gets a slap on the wrist, or a revolving AMC sleep over and from then on keeps a glaring eye out for you on the road, maybe to progress a sequel they’ve been writing around you as the antagonist.

Being courteous isn’t just about being courteous and car accidents aren’t the only thing to survive on the road these days. You’ve lived in a bubble for a while haven’t you?

What a ridiculous fear mongering comment. All I need to do is make eye contact with a road rager and straight away they are eyes front.
We are not living in some dangerous country full of life takers, you know?

You can convince yourself of whatever you like mate, it’s all just ponies and rainbows, I don’t disagree that I embellish to make a point. But seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? Brake checking to make a point about nothing? Needlessly endangering people over something so stupid as their pride in the eyes of strangers?

I used to get called out quite regularly to temporarily glaze vehicle windows until stock and insurance matters were sorted. Quite a number of those were road rage attacks, the most notable being a young mother with 4 grunts in car who was dragged through her smashed drivers wind-up by the hair, receiving a fractured skull and broken jaw. She only made a mistake, wasn’t even an intentional arse act. They only stopped kicking her because bystanders jumped in.

Sure Canberra is much less violent than other capital cities I’ve found, but it’s no Shangri-La. Yep, 99% of those steering wheel warriors are soft, lame and will stare ahead, they were born in Canberra of course! These surely are people who complain about the cold. It only takes the 1% to shatter your perfect existence. And why? All so one can be a prideful arrogant arsehat. That 1% are in your city mate, they also drive cars. Sorry, that’s just a fact, not fear mongering. I live across the road from one.

KB1971 2:54 pm 29 Jan 14

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

While that’s is a great effort to do that ride, I am sorry but I am going to have to call you a sick freak for attempting such a thing!

Ha, try this on for size: http://45nrth.com/chronicles/post/jay-petervarys-arrowhead-135-victorty-in-photographs

NoImRight 12:57 pm 29 Jan 14

To OP

“Many thousands”…Really?

You’ve “observed” Canberra drivers. I think yes you have. What you’ve not “observed” is the NSW drivers doing all the same stuff. Its fun to beat up on ourselves but you’ve just noticed ACT drivers because thats what you’ve looked for. Theres a name for that too but I bet you have the internet and everything so can look it up.

Ive driven in every state and every state has crappy drivers. Plus in most cities Ive spoken to people who say the drivers in their city are the worst because blah blah blah.

Welcome to the Human Race. We do stuff that bugs others.

Nylex_Clock 11:33 am 29 Jan 14

DavidL said :

And please – read the pdfs referred to above – particularly if you are going straight through a roundabout (not turning right) and you put your right indicator out before leaving the intersection. It is wrong and does cause accidents.

Come again?

If you are going straight through, your left-indicator should be on as you leave the roundabout.
Your right indicator may optionally be used on entering it.
At no time should your right indicator be on whilst exiting a roundabout in any direction.

I am constantly flabbergasted at people who seem to quite deliberately have their right indicator on as they exit a roundabout.
How stupid are these people?
Too stupid to hold a licence, in an ideal world.

KB1971 9:10 am 29 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

KB1971: Sorry, I should have been more specific – I meant Carwoola Station, so south of the Hoskinstown turnoff you probably took.

IP

What road is that on? We turned left onto Briars Sharrow Road and then right onto Plains Road.

JC 6:58 am 29 Jan 14

Aeek said :

Here, my keep left beefs are
1) when I am trying to merge from a blind down ramp (WHY are they like this?) and everyone is left and stays left.

For sure the ramps need to be longer, but you do realise that in this situation the vehicle merging MUST give way. I personally try to get out of the way of cars merging IF I CAN, if I cannot what I do depends upon the traffic and the merge.

If it is a set of lights then I won’t get out of the way of a car turning left and wanting to merge into the lane I am in, simply because I was taught not to make sudden lane changes on approach to, or just after traffic lights, and of course in this situation there may be a large speed difference.

I have noticed for some reason that cars turning out of Copland Drive onto Gininderra Drive are really starting to pull the piss a little in relation to this. Every morning I see a car turning left here wanting to get into the traffic lane straight away, even if there are cars coming at 80km/h towards them. I rekcon they think that because the turning lane is a little longer than most left hand turns at lights they can just go when they like, when really like all merges when you need to cross a line the vehicle crossing MUST give way.

But on the longer ramp type merges (such as Kings Ave into Parkes Way city bound), or like where the Tuggeranong Parkway joins William Hovell Drive, if it is peak hour as I approach the merge if there is a car beside me but slightly in front I will take my foot off the back off the juice to give the vehicle the space to come in front, I expect the vehicle to TAKE the gap I have left without me needing to take any form of evasive action such as braking.

If it is a quieter period, but I still have a car to my right then I expect the merging car to pull in behind me.

DavidL 1:58 am 29 Jan 14

There are so many posts I may have missed someone else already pointing this out.

In general, IT IS Illegal to stay in the right hand lane in a 100 zone, with exceptions, the exception most relevant to this topic is that you can stay in the right lane if “the traffic in the other lanes is
congested; or the traffic in every lane is congested” http://www.rego.act.gov.au/assets/PDFs/ACT_Road_Rules_Handbook.pdf?
and the same in NSW except that the explanatory pdf leaves out “or the traffic in every lane is congested” http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/usingroads/…/top_10_misunderstood_road_rules.pdf

The point made about speedos being inaccurate is highly relevant – at one stage I had three cars – one showed 93 kmh when it was doing 100, the second showed 105 kmh when it was doing 100, and the third showed around 102 when doing 100. Verified by a couple of GPS units and the Victorian speed check built units – but don’t trust the trailer type units which can be 20 kmh out of whack (thanks NSW RTA or whatever you are now called – on the Barton Highway occasionally).

Canberra drivers stay in the right lane:
1. Because they can or they are the type of person who wants to impose the rules on others (including an older style public servant who does the same at work).
2. Male (mostly) egos – no one shall pass me – especially if I am a tradie driving a ute (for those tradies who keep to the limit) note that on the Barton Highway all the tradies speed (and a high proportion overtake on double lines).
3. I am turning right in five kilometres (verified to me by an experienced ACT taxi driver identifying this to me).
4. The legitimate one – congested traffic.

For those too lazy to move left when cars are doing various speeds, change your habits – I am amused when I have just overtaken someone who seems a little peeved and I move left – often they then behave and move left (just to explain this usually happens when leaving a roundabout and cars are accelerating at different speeds so I am in the left lane passing someone who has stuck themselves in the right lane for some time before the intersection).

And please – read the pdfs referred to above – particularly if you are going straight through a roundabout (not turning right) and you put your right indicator out before leaving the intersection. It is wrong and does cause accidents.

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