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Woden cats (again)

weeziepops 15 October 2012 75

Firstly, cat haters should stop reading now. You can hate cats on your own time – this is not a post which requires your attention or input.

I have tried to engage the RSPCA on this issue with no luck, despite an offer to pay the costs involved. So I am opening up the discussion to others in hopes that somenoe will be able to offer a solution to the ongoing concern around the health and wellbeing of the Woden cats and the wildlife which may form a part of their diet.

I want to either trap, desex and release these cats and/or trap and euthanise those cats which are not healthy. This would prevent the ongoing breeding of the cats, which perpetuates the problem. I realise releasing the cats would not address the wildlife issue.

It is kitten season. If the cats are trapped, will this mean that potentially dozens of kittens will be left to starve without their mothers.

If I try to trap the cats and leave the traps at the site overnight, I strongly suspect that the traps will disappear courtesy of either people who don’t want the cats to be trapped or hoooooligans. So I would need to hang around waiting for the traps to be sprung and then take the traps in to the RSPCA and go through the process until I have trapped them all. Also, I am a bit nervous at the thought of a night or two lurking around the Woden drains…

Does anyone have any constructive input to this conundrum? The cats aren’t going to go away and no-one seems interested in doing anything about it so any assistance or advice would be great.

Thanks in advance.

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maxblues 10:54 am 01 Nov 12

weeziepops said :

maxblues, you are welcome to donate to the RSPCA for whatever purpose you wish and I really hope you put your money where your mouth is. You can also get off your arse and do something about the cat problem yourself instead of pontificating to those of us who are.

Did you miss the first two words of my post, WELL DONE. I know I can be sarcastic, but I genuinely meant it. Sorry, I save my donations for cancer research as too many good Canberrans have left us early.
It is also great to see the news today that a Hendra vaccine to prevent the transmission of the disease from horses to humans. Vets in particular must be relieved because the symptoms can be quite variable but the end result quite fatal.

p1 10:43 am 01 Nov 12

maxblues said :

…People think I’m a philistine, but I have my scotch fillets…well done.

You are a sick f&%ker.

weeziepops 10:29 am 01 Nov 12

maxblues, you are welcome to donate to the RSPCA for whatever purpose you wish and I really hope you put your money where your mouth is. You can also get off your arse and do something about the cat problem yourself instead of pontificating to those of us who are.

maxblues 9:39 am 01 Nov 12

Thumper said :

maxblues said :

Well done on trapping the moggies, but for the sake of Canberra’s native wildlife, I hope that your donation to the RSPCA went towards their humane demise.
There are two main ways to stop the spread of Toxoplasmosis to humans:
1. Eliminate the prime host, cats. It is fascinating to read up on how the parasite changes the brains of rats to make the rats more susceptible to being caught by cats, thus ensuring that the parasite enters its vital host, cats.
2. Besides directly from cats, humans can be exposed to the parasite by eating raw meat. People think I’m a philistine, but I have my scotch fillets…well done.

Just exactly how many people do you know that have died from toxoplasmosis?

Or even been sick?

One, two? Hundreds?

Figures vary. Wikipedia says up to 50% of world population. US Center for Disease Control notes a seroprevalence of 22% in some US studies and apparently up to 75% in El Salvador.
Most health sites around the world warn pregnant women against emptying cat litter trays and some warn against touching anything that has been touched by an insect(ie flBy or cockroach) that may have had contact with cat feces because of possible transmission of the parasite.

Thumper 9:05 am 01 Nov 12

kakosi said :

bigfeet said :

kakosi said :

You’re forgetting all the stray dogs that now roam the national parks in packs.

Just because I didn’t mention them doesn’t mean I’d forgotten about them. I would be happy to have them (and all other feral animals) eradicated. Goats, pigs, brumbies, cane toads, pigeons, carp, fire ants, house geckos, gambusia to name a few.. The list is huge.

You do realise that even dingoes were introduced at one time in Australia’s history and it’s probably impossible to turn the clock back now? Might as well start swatting bees (also introduced).

Dingoes were introduced to Australia roughly 3,500 years ago by Asian seafarers or trepangers. The reason the dogs were on the boats in the first place was as a companion animals but also as a source of food as dingoes will eat anything, even fish and carrion, thus easy to care for.

Their introduction gradually saw the demise of the Thylacine on the mainland as the poor old Tassie Tiger couldn’t compete with a faster, more aggressive dingo. The dingo also realised that hanging around Aboriginal camps was pretty lucrative and thus became semi domesticated, further driving a nail in the continuing existence of the Thylacine.

Of course, the land bridge that connected mainland Australia with Tasmania closed some 10K years ago thus the dingo never got to tasmania. In 1930 a farmer, Wilf Batty found one in his chicken shed and shot it. This was the last known wild Thylacine to be shot.

However, the last known Tiger alive died in Hobart zoo in 1938.

Fascinating stuff.

bundah 8:58 am 01 Nov 12

maxblues said :

Well done on trapping the moggies, but for the sake of Canberra’s native wildlife, I hope that your donation to the RSPCA went towards their humane demise.
There are two main ways to stop the spread of Toxoplasmosis to humans:
1. Eliminate the prime host, cats. It is fascinating to read up on how the parasite changes the brains of rats to make the rats more susceptible to being caught by cats, thus ensuring that the parasite enters its vital host, cats.
2. Besides directly from cats, humans can be exposed to the parasite by eating raw meat. People think I’m a philistine, but I have my scotch fillets…well done.

Aw but what could be nicer than stroking a pussy?

Thumper 8:58 am 01 Nov 12

maxblues said :

Well done on trapping the moggies, but for the sake of Canberra’s native wildlife, I hope that your donation to the RSPCA went towards their humane demise.
There are two main ways to stop the spread of Toxoplasmosis to humans:
1. Eliminate the prime host, cats. It is fascinating to read up on how the parasite changes the brains of rats to make the rats more susceptible to being caught by cats, thus ensuring that the parasite enters its vital host, cats.
2. Besides directly from cats, humans can be exposed to the parasite by eating raw meat. People think I’m a philistine, but I have my scotch fillets…well done.

Just exactly how many people do you know that have died from toxoplasmosis?

Or even been sick?

One, two? Hundreds?

maxblues 8:45 am 01 Nov 12

Well done on trapping the moggies, but for the sake of Canberra’s native wildlife, I hope that your donation to the RSPCA went towards their humane demise.
There are two main ways to stop the spread of Toxoplasmosis to humans:
1. Eliminate the prime host, cats. It is fascinating to read up on how the parasite changes the brains of rats to make the rats more susceptible to being caught by cats, thus ensuring that the parasite enters its vital host, cats.
2. Besides directly from cats, humans can be exposed to the parasite by eating raw meat. People think I’m a philistine, but I have my scotch fillets…well done.

    johnboy 8:54 am 01 Nov 12

    A cat hating steak waster.

    No wonder you come across as a complete waste of oxygen.

weeziepops 8:02 am 01 Nov 12

An update which may please cat lovers and haters… I have now trapped three cats and taken them to the RSPCA with a financial donation.

Zeital 9:42 am 25 Oct 12

weeziepops said :

P.S – the responses to my question have actually led to a solution (I know, know, drop in the ocean etc – but even a small difference is a good outcome) so yay RiotACT for being a useful forum for this kind of thing.

so what’s the solution XD

weeziepops 7:49 am 25 Oct 12

P.S – the responses to my question have actually led to a solution (I know, know, drop in the ocean etc – but even a small difference is a good outcome) so yay RiotACT for being a useful forum for this kind of thing.

bigfeet 6:44 am 25 Oct 12

kakosi said :

bigfeet said :

You do realise that even dingoes were introduced at one time in Australia’s history and it’s probably impossible to turn the clock back now? Might as well start swatting bees (also introduced).

So what’s your point? That the problem is too big and we should just do nothing?

With that attitude you really should go and work for the ACT government.

Yes, the stopper is out of the bottle and can’t be put back in. But that doesn’t mean mitigation programs can’t or shouldn’t be put in place for feral animals

I am happy that by trapping and killing myna birds I am having a positive impact on the environment. The actions of the myna action group have taken mynas from 3rd to 14th most common bird in Canberra. This has enabled hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of native birds to safely nest and rear their young.

To get back on topic, if humanely euthanising (or ‘killing’ if you prefer) all of the Woden feral cats saves even one breeding pair of parrots then it would be a success and is worth doing.

maxblues 3:07 am 25 Oct 12

Hale & Pace’s cat and microwave skit is available on YouTube. How do they get it so crispy? I must be getting the settings wrong.

kakosi 10:58 pm 24 Oct 12

bigfeet said :

kakosi said :

You’re forgetting all the stray dogs that now roam the national parks in packs.

Just because I didn’t mention them doesn’t mean I’d forgotten about them. I would be happy to have them (and all other feral animals) eradicated. Goats, pigs, brumbies, cane toads, pigeons, carp, fire ants, house geckos, gambusia to name a few.. The list is huge.

You do realise that even dingoes were introduced at one time in Australia’s history and it’s probably impossible to turn the clock back now? Might as well start swatting bees (also introduced).

HenryBG 9:32 pm 24 Oct 12

bearlikesbeer said :

I’m not sure putting 1080 in a storm drain is a great idea.

You worried about the carp now?

bigfeet said :

kakosi said :

You’re forgetting all the stray dogs that now roam the national parks in packs.

Just because I didn’t mention them doesn’t mean I’d forgotten about them.

I’d like to take this opportunity to lambast you for forgetting to mention the shrinking size of Rollmop jars in Norway.

bigfeet 8:24 pm 24 Oct 12

kakosi said :

You’re forgetting all the stray dogs that now roam the national parks in packs.

Just because I didn’t mention them doesn’t mean I’d forgotten about them. I would be happy to have them (and all other feral animals) eradicated. Goats, pigs, brumbies, cane toads, pigeons, carp, fire ants, house geckos, gambusia to name a few.. The list is huge.

kakosi 7:58 pm 24 Oct 12

There are some people who “foster” stray animals and try to get them good homes. I worked with a woman who would pick up unwanted animals and do this. Not sure if the RSPCA have contact numbers for people like her (unfortunately I lost touch so can’t provide contact info).

kakosi 7:54 pm 24 Oct 12

bigfeet said :

kakosi said :

So why aren’t people talking about culling Indian Myna birds here – a species much more successful at killing off native birds by taking over their territories? No cat could achieve what these freed exotic birds have done in a few short years in Canberra.

Well I guess people aren’t talking about myna’s on this thread because it is about cats.

But if you are interested in myna bird eradication consider joining the Canberra Indian Myna Action Group. http://www.indianmynaaction.org.au .

We are a community action group, endorsed by the government and the RSPCA, that traps and eradicates mynas, usually just in our own backyards. Since its inception the CIMAG have captured and destroyed over 40000 of these invasive birds, taking them from the 3rd most common bird in Canberra to the 14th most common.

If you are interested, join, get yourself a trap and start really helping the environment.

Personally I would love to see groups formed to eradicate other ferals (particularly cats, foxes and rabbits) in a similar manner.

You’re forgetting all the stray dogs that now roam the national parks in packs.

Woody Mann-Caruso 7:08 pm 24 Oct 12

I am now progressing practical options

Well, so long as you’re not proactively going forward, then.

weeziepops 5:00 pm 24 Oct 12

Thanks to all who offered helpful suggestions. I am now progressing practical options which will hopefully make a start towards reducing the number of feral cats and humanely managing the existing population into homes, if possible, or euthanasia if necessary.

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