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Zed and Steve plan to send more money to the struggling private schools

By johnboy - 30 August 2012 60

The Liberals have announced they’re going to putting an extra $30 million into Canberra’s private schools, because those kids need even more help in life:

CT Opposition Leader Zed Seselja and ACT Shadow Education Minister Steve Doszpot announced today that if elected, a Canberra Liberals Government will increase non-government school funding to bring the ACT on par with New South Wales funding levels.

Mr Seselja said the Canberra Liberals support the rights of parents to have a genuine choice between government and non-government schools, and do not believe children in non-government schools should be disadvantaged just because they live in the ACT.

“The ACT currently has the highest proportion of non-government school students in any jurisdiction – and the lowest funding,” Mr Seselja said.

“A Canberra Liberals Government would increase recurrent funding for all non- government schools progressively, to eventually bring the ACT on par with New South Wales.

“This policy will cost $31.4 million over the forward estimates,” Mr Seselja concluded.

Mr Doszpot said the Canberra Liberals are the only party that has been consistently supportive of non-government schools.

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Zed and Steve plan to send more money to the struggling private schools
greyswandir 2:25 pm 30 Aug 12

I attended a Catholic all-girls’ high school for years 7-10. I do clearly recall them refreshing their IT systems every couple of years as well as spending an absolute motza on Rock Eisteddford every year… and then handing out flyers for us to take home to our parents complaining about how the government short-shrifted them on funding.

Even as a thirteen-year-old I didn’t get how they could be so unselfconscious about their entitlement issues.

shirty_bear 2:14 pm 30 Aug 12

Fail.

For the first time in a long time, I had been uncertain how I would vote at the next election. Not any more. These peanuts have just put a line through themselves.

chewy14 said :

If the government system is underfunded then surely the non-government system is also under-funded seeing as they get less government money per student?

The fact that some parents are willing to top up their school’s funding with extra money should be irrelevant to the overall funding picture. If public schools are underfunded then they should be making the argument to receive more funding instead of always complaining about private schools. It shouldn’t be an us vs them argument.

Worst. Logic. Ever.

The government has a responsibility to provide schooling. It’s there for everyone. If that’s not good enough for you – or if you require god-bothering thrown in – fine, you can go elsewhere. At your own expense.

It’s that simple. If I could have my druthers, non-govt schools would get no public $$ at all.

Jim Jones 2:03 pm 30 Aug 12

2604 said :

Jim Jones said :

Offering parents a genuine choice between a well-funded private school or a government school system that’s been starved of funds to the point that only people who can’t afford to pay for private schools will send their children there.

Which is lovely. Poor people are terrible and one wouldn’t want ones children to associate with them. Also it helps to stifle class and economic mobility.

Yep, the ACT is so starved of funds that it can only afford to spend $70 million building a primary school in Bonner. Not to mention poorly equipped schools like Namadgi and Amaroo.

As for parents using private schools to keep their kids away from “poor people”, is that why your parents sent you to Radford?

Gonski report anyone?

Or would you prefer to keep the ad homs kicking along instead?

poetix 2:01 pm 30 Aug 12

Aimed squarely at the people who choose to send their children to private school and then sit around whingeing about the fees.

It’s like complaining about the mortgage on a beach house.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:53 pm 30 Aug 12

Really gross. As any public school teacher here will tell you, government schools need every cent they can get, while and private school teacher here can tell you, private schools need no helping hand.

I do work at both and the gap is amazingly huge. Give the 30 mil to government schools instead.

colourful sydney rac 1:37 pm 30 Aug 12

2604 said :

Jim Jones said :

Offering parents a genuine choice between a well-funded private school or a government school system that’s been starved of funds to the point that only people who can’t afford to pay for private schools will send their children there.

Which is lovely. Poor people are terrible and one wouldn’t want ones children to associate with them. Also it helps to stifle class and economic mobility.

As for parents using private schools to keep their kids away from “poor people”, is that why your parents sent you to Radford?

*zing*

2604 1:22 pm 30 Aug 12

Jim Jones said :

Offering parents a genuine choice between a well-funded private school or a government school system that’s been starved of funds to the point that only people who can’t afford to pay for private schools will send their children there.

Which is lovely. Poor people are terrible and one wouldn’t want ones children to associate with them. Also it helps to stifle class and economic mobility.

Yep, the ACT is so starved of funds that it can only afford to spend $70 million building a primary school in Bonner. Not to mention poorly equipped schools like Namadgi and Amaroo.

As for parents using private schools to keep their kids away from “poor people”, is that why your parents sent you to Radford?

justin heywood 1:05 pm 30 Aug 12

Deref said :

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Education funding is not a zero sum game. Allowing people to pay to have their children privately schooled is one thing; assisting with its cost and the appropriate funding of public schools are two distinctly other things.

But the essential argument of the left is that education funding IS a zero sum game: i.e. any money given to private schools reduces the funding for the public system.

Why is the argument not about total education funding? Because it’s easier for Labor governments to tickle the ever-reliable class warfare nerve than it is to find the money to run a decent public system.

IMO every teacher should start on $100 k. We should have enough teachers that the top and bottom of the mainstream get the attention that they need. But this would require a huge amount of money and a long wait for a payoff. It’s much easier for the government to point towards the white picket fence outside The Kings School.

housebound 1:04 pm 30 Aug 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

We have the highest level of non-government school students and the lowest funding, clearly then cost is less of a barrier than in any other jurisdiction.

Given that in their begging bowl leaflet, the Liberals are going to make unspecified cuts to unspecified taxes, where will this $30 million dollar bail out package for the impoverished parents of Canberra Grammar School students come from?

If equality is the goal, then it could well end up with the poorer catholic primary schools and a couple of the small independents. The stats show they seem to ‘lose out’ on a comparative basis.

That said, we all know that the elites never miss out. So probably not the best policy all in all.

chewy14 1:03 pm 30 Aug 12

Jim Jones said :

Offering parents a genuine choice between a well-funded private school or a government school system that’s been starved of funds to the point that only people who can’t afford to pay for private schools will send their children there.

Which is lovely. Poor people are terrible and one wouldn’t want ones children to associate with them. Also it helps to stifle class and economic mobility.

If the government system is underfunded then surely the non-government system is also under-funded seeing as they get less government money per student?

The fact that some parents are willing to top up their school’s funding with extra money should be irrelevant to the overall funding picture. If public schools are underfunded then they should be making the argument to receive more funding instead of always complaining about private schools. It shouldn’t be an us vs them argument.

As long as some parents are willing to pay more money to get their child educated and the school teaches to an approved curriculum then i’m happy because they’re saving me money in tax.

thisnexus 12:44 pm 30 Aug 12

just remeber the lack of costings in this debate… its actully an extra $20-30 plus million a YEAR, recurrent, that Zeds committing to… and all 2 months before Gonski will go before Federal Parliament…

Jim Jones 12:35 pm 30 Aug 12

Offering parents a genuine choice between a well-funded private school or a government school system that’s been starved of funds to the point that only people who can’t afford to pay for private schools will send their children there.

Which is lovely. Poor people are terrible and one wouldn’t want ones children to associate with them. Also it helps to stifle class and economic mobility.

Deref 12:19 pm 30 Aug 12

cmdwedge said :

If you’re subsidising a child at a non-government school $x per year, then surely that’s better than paying for the same child costing a whole lot more in a government school?

A classic false equivalency.

Education funding is not a zero sum game. Allowing people to pay to have their children privately schooled is one thing; assisting with its cost and the appropriate funding of public schools are two distinctly other things.

colourful sydney rac 12:19 pm 30 Aug 12

We have the highest level of non-government school students and the lowest funding, clearly then cost is less of a barrier than in any other jurisdiction.

Given that in their begging bowl leaflet, the Liberals are going to make unspecified cuts to unspecified taxes, where will this $30 million dollar bail out package for the impoverished parents of Canberra Grammar School students come from?

cmdwedge 12:03 pm 30 Aug 12

If you’re subsidising a child at a non-government school $x per year, then surely that’s better than paying for the same child costing a whole lot more in a government school? I was government schooled myself (parents were neither rich nor religious), but the pitchfork-wielding when it comes to non-government schools makes no sense to me.

tldr; Pop a little money into non-gov, and it saves you a lot of money by the child not being in a gov school.

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