Education pay dispute reaches its endgame

Ta random. I’d be happy to hear the actual numbers. As I said – heard it on ABC.

I think you misunderstood my first remark about getting out of the classroom random. It was meant tongue in cheek but whatever…I hope they do get a payrise but I don’t agree with them taking industrial action on the scale proposed

Shab, that last post was for Swaggie, damn post timing.

As for those salaries you mentioned, no. The starting and ongoing salaries you mentioned are not even slightly accurate. I’ll get some numbers for you.

So you advocate moving away from the problem rather than solve it? Just walk out of an industry that is already short staffed?

Wheres the social responsibility in that? This isn’t a factory hand job or some ditch digging malarky. There is a duty of care involved to other peoples children which the vast majority of teachers take very seriously.

If only they were paid for the job they do Swaggie. If only. Thats what the issue is. Painting them under the genral ‘union theif’ or ‘lazy whinger’ banner isn’t going to work here because they aren’t on 80,000 for operating a dock crane.

For all you teachers and ex-teachers out there, I’ve got a question about teacher’s pay.

I heard on the ABC that a graduate teacher starts off on around 50K, and a top-level classroom teacher gets about $72K.

Now, 50K is pretty good money for a newbie. I don’t know any other graduate jobs in the ACT that pay that kind of money.

However, if the top level is only 72K, you don’t have much financial incentive to keep on performing, improving your skills and moving up.

Does the thought restructuring the teachers’ salary system by widening the range of pay grades (say…40K to 85K…) seem like a better way of providing some financial (and maybe performance-based) incentives in teacher’s career development?

Or are Thumper, Nyssa et al going to tear me a new proverbial?

If things are that bad in the classroom Random it’s time to get out of teaching…. Yes fight back, work to rule, organise a protest march on a Saturday outside Katy’s house (ooeerr a protest in your own time eh? – There’s a novel idea) but do the job you’re paid for.

Ahh Random. You are a star.

“if you can’t get what you want throw a dummy spit until you get it”.

A more accurate analogy is:

If you are getting ass raped, fight back.

I saw somewhere the other day (is that vague enough) that the average Australian wage was $54K per year.

If the only way teachers are getting a fair go is by going on strike then they should. If teachers didn’t take industrial action they would get screwed everytime.

They spend a lot of that holiday on courses and working on lesson plans. And if I had to teach some of those little shits, I’d need a 6 week holiday too, and probably spend at least 5 weeks of it either drunk or in therapy.

teachers and productivity… does that mean cutting back the six week holiday to five weeks ?

Fully support that they should be well paid but NOT industrial action – it’s not the example to set the kids – it besically says “if you can’t get what you want throw a dummy spit until you get it”. By all means work to rule and don’t compile the endless streams of paperwork and stats they have to supply for the local Government. Don’t organise the out of school activities but DO teach the kids. I admire the teachers at my kid’s school but I don’t want to see them walk off the job. They’ll lose my trust, my support and my faith in them.

Teachers are absolutely invaluable. They spend as much time raising our kids (in primary school at least, where there is same teacher all year) as most parents do. They deal with many different kids, with different needs, and some who are downright disgusting (I could name 2 in my daughter’s class right off the bat).

I have always supported every request for a pay increase, and every industrial action they take to get one, and will continue to do so.

Disclaimer: I am not, have never been, and never had an desire to be, a teacher.

given that even graduate teachers are now pushing into the upper limits of the tax system I think pay rises in exchange for increased productivity are a recipe for disaster.

They’ll have to work a lot harder for money which the goubbmint will steal half of.

Improving conditions has to be the way forward surely?

Pay rise offer 3%. Rest of public sector 4.2% average. CPI last year 3.1%.
Not only is this offer well below the rest of the public sector, but below the CPI, so in effect it’s going backwards.