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RBT Camera Locations. A facebook group waiting for the takedown.

By 6 July 2011 72

To add to the annals of “bad ideas for using facebook” we can now add Canberra’s RBT/Camera Locations.

At the time of writing 848 enthusiastic facebookers are posting away.

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72 Responses to RBT Camera Locations. A facebook group waiting for the takedown.
#1
vg10:08 am, 06 Jul 11

Of the 848 likers of the group I’d suggest 847 aren’t old enough to have a licence anyway. They will get caught like they always do anyway

#2
Classified10:40 am, 06 Jul 11

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

#3
Moose11:06 am, 06 Jul 11

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

+1

Although the site does give some useful information about avoiding accidents…

#4
Thoroughly Smashed11:16 am, 06 Jul 11

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

So you can all drive halfway across town to save a couple of dollars?

#5
damien haas11:19 am, 06 Jul 11

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

This facebook group already exists its called Canberra Fuel Prices

#6
dvaey11:34 am, 06 Jul 11

If these potential sites are chosen because of their accident or general safety history, surely it is in the publics interest to document where the police and our govco think safety is an issue.

If theres a speed-trap setup on Monaro highway in a blackspot, and someone advertises that theres a speed camera there, causing drivers to slow down, isnt that *EXACTLY* what they want?

This of course assumes that these activities are done on safety blackspots and are designed to improve road-safety rather than revenue raise. If you were only interested in safety, you dont care *why* traffic behaves more sensibly, only that it does.. if youre only interested in revenue, then youd badmouth anyone who pointed out these targetted blackspots out.

#7
colourful sydney rac11:47 am, 06 Jul 11

dvaey said :

If these potential sites are chosen because of their accident or general safety history, surely it is in the publics interest to document where the police and our govco think safety is an issue.

If theres a speed-trap setup on Monaro highway in a blackspot, and someone advertises that theres a speed camera there, causing drivers to slow down, isnt that *EXACTLY* what they want?

This of course assumes that these activities are done on safety blackspots and are designed to improve road-safety rather than revenue raise. If you were only interested in safety, you dont care *why* traffic behaves more sensibly, only that it does.. if youre only interested in revenue, then youd badmouth anyone who pointed out these targetted blackspots out.

Do you think the same thing about random breath tests?

#8
dvaey11:55 am, 06 Jul 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Do you think the same thing about random breath tests?

If a particular area is known to be bad for alcohol-related accidents and the police feel the site is worthy enough to warrant extra scrutiny, then yes I think that a website should be allowed to publish those locations, just as much as they post the location of any other road-safety hotspots.

#9
Henry8212:00 pm, 06 Jul 11

I dont think it will have any effect whatsoever. checking facebook before every journey wont be practical.

dvaey said :

If theres a speed-trap setup on Monaro highway in a blackspot, and someone advertises that theres a speed camera there, causing drivers to slow down, isnt that *EXACTLY* what they want?

Couple of issues.
1) Telling people where the police are just encourages them to speed elsewhere. knowing ‘you could get speed checked anytime’ is enough encouragement for a lot of people not to speed.
2) Telling people where RBTs are is unbelievably stupid, as it encourages people to ‘drink and drive’
3) I’m sure police would prefer posts like “police out in force tonight, dont speed!” instead of exact locations
4) If police were out for revenue raising, every police car would be undercover, not hotted up V8s with chequered flag decals. Plus speed vans stick out, i cant believe anyone gets caught by them, particularly when they’re parked in the middle of northborne.
5) Posting locations quickly usually means from a mobile phone, which is illegal while driving.

#10
Rollersk8r12:09 pm, 06 Jul 11

It’s only a bad idea insofar as you’d be stupid to rely on it.

#11
Classified12:25 pm, 06 Jul 11

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

So you can all drive halfway across town to save a couple of dollars?

No-one’s twisting your arm…

#12
Classified12:26 pm, 06 Jul 11

damien haas said :

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

This facebook group already exists its called Canberra Fuel Prices

Thanks, but I don’t use facebook.

#13
Snave8112:39 pm, 06 Jul 11

Which fine is less, using a mobile to check a Facebook group while driving or speeding because you didn’t notice the camera and remeber to slow down?

#14
colourful sydney rac2:16 pm, 06 Jul 11

dvaey said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Do you think the same thing about random breath tests?

If a particular area is known to be bad for alcohol-related accidents and the police feel the site is worthy enough to warrant extra scrutiny, then yes I think that a website should be allowed to publish those locations, just as much as they post the location of any other road-safety hotspots.

So that drunks can find another route to drive home? *wow*

#15
G-Fresh2:35 pm, 06 Jul 11

trapster.

#16
Tooks2:41 pm, 06 Jul 11

Snave81 said :

Which fine is less, using a mobile to check a Facebook group while driving or speeding because you didn’t notice the camera and remeber to slow down?

Depends how fast you’re driving.

#17
Mysteryman2:42 pm, 06 Jul 11

Is there a law against telling people the location of a speed camera or RBT?

#18
Thoroughly Smashed2:43 pm, 06 Jul 11

Classified said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

So you can all drive halfway across town to save a couple of dollars?

No-one’s twisting your arm…

I should think not.

#19
00davist2:52 pm, 06 Jul 11

dvaey said :

If theres a speed-trap setup on Monaro highway in a blackspot, and someone advertises that theres a speed camera there, causing drivers to slow down, isnt that *EXACTLY* what they want?

NO! that is not what they want, they dont want people to slow for the camera’s becase they Know there is one ahead, they want peyople to stick to the limit FULL STOP!

The idea of speed detection being un-advertised is not to try and get more money, it is so that, maybe, just maybe, not knowing if your being watched might mean you just do the right thing!

If people know the camera is there, it makes the patch of road a 50m or so either side of the camera safer, but does NOTHING to improve overall road safety.

They go for black spots, becase these areas require extra care, if you know its reguarly a target, you just might pay more attention to your speed in danger zones, but the idea is to also create a safer driving environment across the board, not just for the 50m streatch under the radar!

#20
colourful sydney rac4:21 pm, 06 Jul 11

Mysteryman said :

Is there a law against telling people the location of a speed camera or RBT?

There bloody well should be.

#21
Clown Killer5:24 pm, 06 Jul 11

Oddly enough, in Perth the location of mobile speed cameras are required to be advertised by law. There is a column in the West Australian newspaper every day telling you where the cameras are going to be. You can also access that information on-line on the WA Police website.

I find it intriguing that people would get wound up about something like this – it’s almost as if they believe that their opinion was valid …

#22
Gungahlin Al5:33 pm, 06 Jul 11

G-Fresh said :

trapster.

Yes I was wondering myself just how is this any different from the iphone app Trapster? Likewise for “Waze” in the other thread?

#23
dvaey5:53 pm, 06 Jul 11

Henry82 said :

Couple of issues.
1) Telling people where the police are just encourages them to speed elsewhere. knowing ‘you could get speed checked anytime’ is enough encouragement for a lot of people not to speed.
2) Telling people where RBTs are is unbelievably stupid, as it encourages people to ‘drink and drive’
3) I’m sure police would prefer posts like “police out in force tonight, dont speed!” instead of exact locations
4) If police were out for revenue raising, every police car would be undercover, not hotted up V8s with chequered flag decals. Plus speed vans stick out, i cant believe anyone gets caught by them, particularly when they’re parked in the middle of northborne.
5) Posting locations quickly usually means from a mobile phone, which is illegal while driving.

1) That could be a valid point, if there was only one police officer in the territory performing speed checks. Just because you know theres a police officer on one street, that doesnt mean there is or isnt a police officer on another street. As many people who travel to the snow will tell you, there is often more than one speed trap within a short distance.

2) Once again, assuming that there is only one breath-testing unit in Canberra, this is a valid point. You can tell someone theres an RBT on Northbourne, they might still get RBT’d over on Barry Dr. Do you also believe that its a bad idea to advertise that police setup RBTs on drakeford drive on Fri and Sat night, because that will encourage people to drink and drive?

3) Well, advertisements on TV claim that you could be checked anywhere. If someone wants to specify the hotspots, how is that wrong? If the police truly are anywhere, then your chance of being caught is the same whether you read the facebook page or not.

4) Do you deny that undercover cars (and candy cars) are on the roads more than plain blue and white marked police cars? Ive seen utes, vans, all coloured sedans and wagons, some hotted up some not, but I can probably count on one hand the number of standard blue and white marked police cars Ive seen this year. The one time Ive been caught by a camera was travelling at 58 in a 50 zone which had recently been changed from a 60 zone, with the installation of a couple of tiny 50 limit signs. These are the people the speed cameras are designed to catch.

5) Only if the driver is the one using the mobile phone, if the passenger is using it there is no safety risk. (except for police officers, who have laws to exempt them from general safety)

#24
dvaey5:58 pm, 06 Jul 11

Clown Killer said :

Oddly enough, in Perth the location of mobile speed cameras are required to be advertised by law.

Well sure, but those Perth people have crazy ideas too, like requiring petrol stations to advertise their fuel price so you know who is gouging the prices.

#25
Tetranitrate6:45 pm, 06 Jul 11

Clown Killer said :

Oddly enough, in Perth the location of mobile speed cameras are required to be advertised by law. There is a column in the West Australian newspaper every day telling you where the cameras are going to be. You can also access that information on-line on the WA Police website.

I find it intriguing that people would get wound up about something like this – it’s almost as if they believe that their opinion was valid …

In Victoria and I believe also a couple of other states, they’re not allowed to set up at the bottom of hills the way they rampantly do here. The test is something along the lines of – if gravity would cause the car to accelerate over the speed limit going down, they can’t set up there.

#26
Jono7:05 pm, 06 Jul 11

Tetranitrate said :

In Victoria and I believe also a couple of other states, they’re not allowed to set up at the bottom of hills the way they rampantly do here. The test is something along the lines of – if gravity would cause the car to accelerate over the speed limit going down, they can’t set up there.

I have yet to hear a sensible reason why they shouldn’t set up at the bottom of hills. The speed limit applies whether you’re going uphill or downhill.

In fact, I would have thought that the effect of gravity would mean that a car going downhill would have a greater stopping distance than a car going uphill, making it more dangerous to speed when going downhill, and therefore there would be more reason to detect drivers speeding when going downhill.

#27
KeenGolfer9:08 pm, 06 Jul 11

Jono said :

I have yet to hear a sensible reason why they shouldn’t set up at the bottom of hills. The speed limit applies whether you’re going uphill or downhill.

Yep. Last time I checked my car had this really advanced technological feature called brakes. Press it and the car slows down.

#28
Tetranitrate1:29 am, 07 Jul 11

Jono said :

I have yet to hear a sensible reason why they shouldn’t set up at the bottom of hills. The speed limit applies whether you’re going uphill or downhill.

I never said it didn’t, simply pointed out what’s done elsewhere. Realistically they’re probably making a deliberate attempt to target habitual speeders as opposed to people ‘accidentally’ speeding on their way to work.

Personally I’ve never been caught speeding (because I don’t ever intentionally speed), but it does annoy me just how much effort is put into catching essentially law abiding people going about their business. Drive down Belconnen way any weekday morning and you’ll see what I mean.
Hopefully widespread use of point to point cameras means there’ll be less of this in the future.

#29
Henry823:52 am, 07 Jul 11

dvaey said :

,,,

1) you’re still reducing the effectiveness of an RBT. Even if there are a few cops in the back streets, its not a guarantee that they will get picked up.
2) see one, yes i do believe its bad to tell people where the locations are. I have no issues with people saying “i saw an RBT tonight”, but giving an exact location gives people the opportunity to ‘chance it’ by taking the back streets, and hopefully not getting picked up.
3) Well, the mobile RBTs are a single police car. “breath tests” per hour would be significantly less than a static RBT.
4) pass, afaik speed signs are a standard size.
5) You’re assuming a lot (many “if’s” in that sentence) . These are people who are possibly encouraging drink driving, so i doubt texting while driving is a concern to them.

#30
Mr Gillespie7:49 am, 07 Jul 11

This will put a nice hole in the Government’s revenue-stream — and the police are not worried by it! HAHA!!!

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