6 July 2011

RBT Camera Locations. A facebook group waiting for the takedown.

6 July 2011 | johnboy

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To add to the annals of “bad ideas for using facebook” we can now add Canberra’s RBT/Camera Locations.

At the time of writing 848 enthusiastic facebookers are posting away.

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00davist11:26 am 08 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

No, I’m simply pointing out that you just cant seem to take resposability for your actions.

I’m not better than everyone; I simply have the intelligence to avoid fines that you get!

No matter what you say it won’t change the facts:

1- You choose to speed
2-you suffer the consequence

Quit trying to justify a criminal act!

Postalgeek11:17 am 08 Jul 11

Aw c’mon, lay off Mr Gillespie. I’ve found his arguments to be extremely persuasive. Having demonstrated the mentality of some drivers on our roads, Mr Gillespie has convinced me that I need to, extremely reluctantly, write to my local member and concede that speed limits need to be lowered a further 10kph.

Jim Jones9:45 am 08 Jul 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

Are you interested in finding out what your posts make you look like?

Opinion on the matter is divided, everyone thinks Mr G is an utter fool, while he disagrees.

colourful sydney racing identity9:14 am 08 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

Are you interested in finding out what your posts make you look like?

Mr Gillespie8:43 am 08 Jul 11

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

Watson7:17 am 08 Jul 11

Angelina said :

Although 99.9% of what crazy Mr Gillespie says (in any post) is utter crap, I do agree with his point that people driving below the speed limit whenever they happen upon a speed camera is very annoying. So often when I drive past any one of the speed cameras on the highway the git in front of me slows down to 10 or 20 below the speed limit. Worse, someone in the right lane will slow down and screw up everyone trying to merge in. Idiots. 80 is 80, not 70.

And people who are so close to the lights when they go orange that they should just go through but change their minds and absolutely slam the breaks at the very last minute are even worse. But I fail to see how these points that he’s made have anything to do with this facebook group.

As long as it’s not against the law to post this information I really don’t see a problem with it. I can’t imagine the losers that can be bothered to crawl all over the internet before they hop in the car so they can speed and drink drive freely wont get caught doing something even dumber eventually anyway.

At the end of the day if people do know where the cameras are and this causes them not to speed well that’s a good thing, they’re not speeding. It’s no ones damn business why. My husbands got a CB in his truck and gets all this information anyway so I don’t suppose thats any different.

The people who will be checking this site for speed camera info, are most likely the people who regard consistent speeding without getting caught as a sport. But the speed camera location posts are pretty harmless, I agree.

RBTs are different matter though. Because it means that people DUI can take an alternative route to not get caught. I just don’t think that’s a great idea.

PS: When I talked about stopping in front of an orange light, I meant that I used to consistently speed up to get through the orange, ie. when I could’ve quite easily slowed down and stopped. I still don’t slam on the brakes before an orange light, but now use them as they’re supposed to be used, ie. stop when I can and when it is not dangerous to do so. If I can coast through at the same speed I was doing, I will do so.

Watson6:51 am 08 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh!!!! So, you “should have” been so perfect to notice one of the many signs strewn about the place (often contradicting each other), and you “should have” waited for that green light to go red, ay?

Yes, well, there’s ya problem.

Think about it.

Y’see — this is the kind of frustration of being caught behind people like you stopping in front of me in front of green lights that make me dig my heels in even further about the enforcement of speed restrictions in such circumstances.

Orange. Y’see, there’s green, ORANGE and red. If you can’t cope with someone in front of you stopping in front of an orange light – as they are required to by law – you really do have a big problem.

And yes, if you miss speed signs, no matter how small they are, you are not as safe a driver as you could be and it’s your fault. But it would be good practice to let the authorities know that they’re too small.

Mr Gillespie said :

Have you ever taken road rage into the equation when dealing with this argument? I mean, have you ever thought about being stuck behind a moron doing 20ks under the limit on a single lane road for kilometres? That’s road rage, and to that end, I consider it most inflammatory people like some of the posters in this forum who call for people to flood speed camera whistleblower websites with misleading information.

Think. Just think for a second. Instead of putting me down, *again*?

Not quite sure what you are trying to say here at all but my road rage is limited to loudly yelling profanities behind the wheel and calling strangers idiots. If it ever starts interfering with my actual driving, I will sell my car.

Tooks2:09 am 08 Jul 11

I caught the fish I was after. Thanks Mr g, very amusing as always. I might get started on those fake Facebook accounts…

Angelina10:42 pm 07 Jul 11

Although 99.9% of what crazy Mr Gillespie says (in any post) is utter crap, I do agree with his point that people driving below the speed limit whenever they happen upon a speed camera is very annoying. So often when I drive past any one of the speed cameras on the highway the git in front of me slows down to 10 or 20 below the speed limit. Worse, someone in the right lane will slow down and screw up everyone trying to merge in. Idiots. 80 is 80, not 70.

And people who are so close to the lights when they go orange that they should just go through but change their minds and absolutely slam the breaks at the very last minute are even worse. But I fail to see how these points that he’s made have anything to do with this facebook group.

As long as it’s not against the law to post this information I really don’t see a problem with it. I can’t imagine the losers that can be bothered to crawl all over the internet before they hop in the car so they can speed and drink drive freely wont get caught doing something even dumber eventually anyway.

At the end of the day if people do know where the cameras are and this causes them not to speed well that’s a good thing, they’re not speeding. It’s no ones damn business why. My husbands got a CB in his truck and gets all this information anyway so I don’t suppose thats any different.

00davist10:09 pm 07 Jul 11

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Mr Gillespie9:23 pm 07 Jul 11

Classified said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

I quite like this idea. It’s almost be worth creating a facebook account.

Do that, and expect to be blocked. You will be caught out as a hoaxer. If you “like the idea” of causing paranoia, then you really need your head read.

Watson said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

Aarrggghh! There is noone here who claims that they’ve never driven over the speed limit! But I am guessing that most are like me in that they do not intentionally do so. Let alone because they have some childish gripe about unfair speed limits. And most drivers who get caught accidentally exceeding the speed limit, just pay the fine without whingeing because those are the rules and they acknowledge that they should’ve paid more attention to speed limit signs and/or the speedo.

I’ve been caught speeding, I paid the fine, then I thought about what had caused me to go over the speed limit and adjusted my driving behaviour accordingly to ensure it wouldn’t happen again – in or outside the speed cameras’ range. In hindsight I was even glad that I got caught because I didn’t realise that I often sped up that much to get through the orange and now I’ve corrected that behaviour, I am a safer driver.

Oh!!!! So, you “should have” been so perfect to notice one of the many signs strewn about the place (often contradicting each other), and you “should have” waited for that green light to go red, ay?

Yes, well, there’s ya problem.

Think about it.

Y’see — this is the kind of frustration of being caught behind people like you stopping in front of me in front of green lights that make me dig my heels in even further about the enforcement of speed restrictions in such circumstances.

Have you ever taken road rage into the equation when dealing with this argument? I mean, have you ever thought about being stuck behind a moron doing 20ks under the limit on a single lane road for kilometres? That’s road rage, and to that end, I consider it most inflammatory people like some of the posters in this forum who call for people to flood speed camera whistleblower websites with misleading information.

Think. Just think for a second. Instead of putting me down, *again*?

dvaey5:53 pm 06 Jul 11

Henry82 said :

Couple of issues.
1) Telling people where the police are just encourages them to speed elsewhere. knowing ‘you could get speed checked anytime’ is enough encouragement for a lot of people not to speed.
2) Telling people where RBTs are is unbelievably stupid, as it encourages people to ‘drink and drive’
3) I’m sure police would prefer posts like “police out in force tonight, dont speed!” instead of exact locations
4) If police were out for revenue raising, every police car would be undercover, not hotted up V8s with chequered flag decals. Plus speed vans stick out, i cant believe anyone gets caught by them, particularly when they’re parked in the middle of northborne.
5) Posting locations quickly usually means from a mobile phone, which is illegal while driving.

1) That could be a valid point, if there was only one police officer in the territory performing speed checks. Just because you know theres a police officer on one street, that doesnt mean there is or isnt a police officer on another street. As many people who travel to the snow will tell you, there is often more than one speed trap within a short distance.

2) Once again, assuming that there is only one breath-testing unit in Canberra, this is a valid point. You can tell someone theres an RBT on Northbourne, they might still get RBT’d over on Barry Dr. Do you also believe that its a bad idea to advertise that police setup RBTs on drakeford drive on Fri and Sat night, because that will encourage people to drink and drive?

3) Well, advertisements on TV claim that you could be checked anywhere. If someone wants to specify the hotspots, how is that wrong? If the police truly are anywhere, then your chance of being caught is the same whether you read the facebook page or not.

4) Do you deny that undercover cars (and candy cars) are on the roads more than plain blue and white marked police cars? Ive seen utes, vans, all coloured sedans and wagons, some hotted up some not, but I can probably count on one hand the number of standard blue and white marked police cars Ive seen this year. The one time Ive been caught by a camera was travelling at 58 in a 50 zone which had recently been changed from a 60 zone, with the installation of a couple of tiny 50 limit signs. These are the people the speed cameras are designed to catch.

5) Only if the driver is the one using the mobile phone, if the passenger is using it there is no safety risk. (except for police officers, who have laws to exempt them from general safety)

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