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Rich man’s justice favours Chris Carins for 90,000 quid plus 400,000 in costs

By 27 March 2012 19

The Times Of India reports Canberra resident and former New Zealand cricket star Chris Cairns has had a big win in the London courts over Indian cricket kingpin Lalit Modi:

Former New Zealand all-rounder Chris Cairns won a libel suit against Lalit Modi in London that left the former chairman of the Indian Premier League (IPL) close to £500,000 (close to Rs 4 cr) in the red.

In the first libel suit heard in England against a Twitter post, the 41-year-old Kiwi cricketer was awarded £90,000 (Rs 74 lakh approx) damages after Judge David Bean dismissed fixing allegations levelled against the cricketer by Modi.

Much to Modi’s disappointment, the court also ordered him to pay an additional £400,000 (Rs 3.26 cr) on account of Cairns’ legal costs within 28 days. The figures do not include Modi’s own legal costs.

Modi is considering an appeal which will only make the lawyers even happier, especially as most people would never have heard of the allegations against Cairns if he wasn’t pioneering international libel law.

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19 Responses to Rich man’s justice favours Chris Carins for 90,000 quid plus 400,000 in costs
#1
bloodnut12:59 pm, 27 Mar 12

I thought it was common knowledge that he left the IPL under an alleged match fixing cloud.

You should do an interveiw given he lives around here now…

#2
mad_kiwi2:23 pm, 27 Mar 12

bloodnut said :

I thought it was common knowledge that he left the IPL under an alleged match fixing cloud.

You should do an interveiw given he lives around here now…

he played in the now defunct ICL – not IPL, i’m glad he has now cleared his name.

#3
Skidd Marx2:50 pm, 27 Mar 12

Sure he was awarded 90k quid, but now everyone’s aware he fixed matches.

#4
HenryBG2:55 pm, 27 Mar 12

English libel law is very scary.

Causing 90,000 pounds’-worth of reputation damage costs the Indian guy 490,000 pounds.

Lawyers really are parasitic scum.

#5
devils_advocate3:02 pm, 27 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

English libel law is very scary.

Causing 90,000 pounds’-worth of reputation damage costs the Indian guy 490,000 pounds.

Lawyers really are parasitic scum.

Yeah, people shouldn’t take action in court to defend themselves against libel, defendants should just pay what they’re asked without having their day in court, and lawyers should work for free.

Oh, and you are worth every cent you are paid.

Does that about cover it?

#6
HenryBG3:42 pm, 27 Mar 12

devils_advocate said :

HenryBG said :

English libel law is very scary.

Causing 90,000 pounds’-worth of reputation damage costs the Indian guy 490,000 pounds.

Lawyers really are parasitic scum.

Yeah, people shouldn’t take action in court to defend themselves against libel, defendants should just pay what they’re asked without having their day in court, and lawyers should work for free.

Oh, and you are worth every cent you are paid.

Does that about cover it?

If I charged $4,900 to provide a product worth $900, I would quite rightly be regarded a scammer; a fraud; and a dishonest parasite.

#7
HenryBG3:46 pm, 27 Mar 12

Or, to put it another way – I had 4 new tyres put on my BMW the other day. The tyres cost $880. The guy putting them on charged $80.

If he were an English libel lawyer, he would have charged me $880 for the tyres and $4,791 to fit them.

#8
devils_advocate3:54 pm, 27 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

Or, to put it another way – I had 4 new tyres put on my BMW the other day. The tyres cost $880. The guy putting them on charged $80.

If he were an English libel lawyer, he would have charged me $880 for the tyres and $4,791 to fit them.

So by that logic, leaving aside the fact that the outcome of the case is not known beforehand, it’s never worth taking a court case on the basis of right and wrong, as opposed to some expected value outcome.

Based on that logic, it’s entirely appropriate that you drive a BMW. And even more telling that a) you think it’s impressive to drive a BMW because b) you used such a tenuous argument to shoehorn it into a response. Heaven forfend you had to fit tires to your car, no, it was a BMW. That is what really sold the anecdote.

But in any case, thanks for filling in the rest of the picture, it’s been instructive.

#9
Holden Caulfield4:00 pm, 27 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

Or, to put it another way – I had 4 new tyres put on my BMW the other day. The tyres cost $880…

Nankangs?

Or did you buy from o/s?

#10
devils_advocate4:03 pm, 27 Mar 12

Holden Caulfield said :

HenryBG said :

Or, to put it another way – I had 4 new tyres put on my BMW the other day. The tyres cost $880…

Nankangs?

Or did you buy from o/s?

Retreads. Skinny ones.

#11
HenryBG4:21 pm, 27 Mar 12

devils_advocate said :

HenryBG said :

Or, to put it another way – I had 4 new tyres put on my BMW the other day. The tyres cost $880. The guy putting them on charged $80.

If he were an English libel lawyer, he would have charged me $880 for the tyres and $4,791 to fit them.

So by that logic, leaving aside the fact that the outcome of the case is not known beforehand, it’s never worth taking a court case on the basis of right and wrong, as opposed to some expected value outcome.

Yes, because it’s absolutely obvious that those words, even though I did not use them, express precisely what I was trying to convey.
Or, perhaps not. Consider that.

#12
HenryBG4:44 pm, 27 Mar 12

devils_advocate said :

Holden Caulfield said :

HenryBG said :

Or, to put it another way – I had 4 new tyres put on my BMW the other day. The tyres cost $880…

Nankangs?

Or did you buy from o/s?

Retreads. Skinny ones.

You know, I’m sure there are people, somewhere, who have just this week had to have new tyres put on their Porsche Cayennes.

Would you be happier if everybody just drove a white Commodore?

#13
Holden Caulfield5:39 pm, 27 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

devils_advocate said :

Holden Caulfield said :

HenryBG said :

Or, to put it another way – I had 4 new tyres put on my BMW the other day. The tyres cost $880…

Nankangs?

Or did you buy from o/s?

Retreads. Skinny ones.

You know, I’m sure there are people, somewhere, who have just this week had to have new tyres put on their Porsche Cayennes.

Would you be happier if everybody just drove a white Commodore?

I’d be happier if people didn’t ponce on about BMW ownership.

To do so, as you have here, gives readers the impression that it’s a new-ish model and that you think you’re a player with money to burn.

So, at a guess your BMW would be running 17-19 inch wheels, possibly larger if it’s an X5 or the like. If you went with OEM runflats you’d be starting at around $600/tyre, at a guess, possibly more. Unless it’s an M model in which case it probably wouldn’t have runflats and would be running top-of-the-range performance tyres from Dunlop/Michelin/Pirelli or similar.

The point being, no look at me “I drive a BMW” owner would admit to shelling out a paltry $880 for replacement rubber.

Unless, of course, it’s an older model pre-runflats that you picked up for the price of said white Commodore and you’re just flashing a badge around to try and inflate your social standing to a bunch of e-strangers.

That would be sad.

#14
HenryBG6:40 pm, 27 Mar 12

Holden Caulfield said :

HenryBG said :

devils_advocate said :

Holden Caulfield said :

HenryBG said :

Or, to put it another way – I had 4 new tyres put on my BMW the other day. The tyres cost $880…

Nankangs?

Or did you buy from o/s?

Retreads. Skinny ones.

You know, I’m sure there are people, somewhere, who have just this week had to have new tyres put on their Porsche Cayennes.

Would you be happier if everybody just drove a white Commodore?

I’d be happier if people didn’t ponce on about BMW ownership.

To do so, as you have here, gives readers the impression that it’s a new-ish model and that you think you’re a player with money to burn.

So, at a guess your BMW would be running 17-19 inch wheels, possibly larger if it’s an X5 or the like. If you went with OEM runflats you’d be starting at around $600/tyre, at a guess, possibly more. Unless it’s an M model in which case it probably wouldn’t have runflats and would be running top-of-the-range performance tyres from Dunlop/Michelin/Pirelli or similar.

The point being, no look at me “I drive a BMW” owner would admit to shelling out a paltry $880 for replacement rubber.

Unless, of course, it’s an older model pre-runflats that you picked up for the price of said white Commodore and you’re just flashing a badge around to try and inflate your social standing to a bunch of e-strangers.

That would be sad.

Actually, what’s *really* sad is that you are able to project a 165-word rant exposing the subtext that the simple 3-letter acronym “BMW” has for you.

Presumably you’re being topical and illustrating the value returned from the ANU applying part of its funding towards Sociology-heavy Arts degrees?

#15
dtc8:56 pm, 27 Mar 12

You know, once I hired a painter who used about $400 worth of paint but charged me $5000 to do the job. If he was a lawyer, he would have only charged me just over $2000. Man, those painters are leeches.

#16
devils_advocate10:23 pm, 27 Mar 12

dtc said :

You know, once I hired a painter who used about $400 worth of paint but charged me $5000 to do the job. If he was a lawyer, he would have only charged me just over $2000. Man, those painters are leeches.

Look, I’m sure the qualifications required to be a painter are expensive, and the hours of study gruelling, especially when compared to those required to be a barrister.

If only there were some “invisible hand” or other magical, guiding force in the universe that factored in the supply of service providers, demand for that service, and determined how much money an individual’s time was worth. We could call it, I dunno, a market…?

Sounds crazy but I reckon it could catch on.

In the meantime, the first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.

#17
Holden Caulfield11:45 pm, 27 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

Actually, what’s *really* sad is that you are able to project a 165-word rant exposing the subtext that the simple 3-letter acronym “BMW” has for you.

Presumably you’re being topical and illustrating the value returned from the ANU applying part of its funding towards Sociology-heavy Arts degrees?

On the contrary. I reckon BMW (with a few exceptions) make some great cars. It’s show-offs and big-noters that I don’t care for.

And you’re too kind with your ANU comment. I am but a humble fellow who has, so far, enjoyed a HECS-free existence.

I’ll take it you bought the Nankangs, then.

#18
HenryBG1:38 pm, 28 Mar 12

dtc said :

You know, once I hired a painter who used about $400 worth of paint but charged me $5000 to do the job. If he was a lawyer, he would have only charged me just over $2000. Man, those painters are leeches.

False analogy.

Your paint job is worth $5000 regardless of how much of that was spent on materials.

Chris Cairns’ job was found by the High Court to be worth 90,000, but the shameless parasite lawyers charged 490,000 to deliver it to him.

#19
HenryBG1:38 pm, 28 Mar 12

devils_advocate said :

dtc said :

You know, once I hired a painter who used about $400 worth of paint but charged me $5000 to do the job. If he was a lawyer, he would have only charged me just over $2000. Man, those painters are leeches.

Look, I’m sure the qualifications required to be a painter are expensive, and the hours of study gruelling, especially when compared to those required to be a barrister.

The chief difference being that the painter is a productive member of society.

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