24 November 2023

‘It was a shitshow’: Liberals prefer empty chair to oust party president in rowdy AGM cleanout of old guard

| Ian Bushnell
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Canberra Liberals Leader Elizabeth Lee should now get the backing she needs to run a strong election campaign. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

Longstanding Canberra Liberals president John Cziesla has been ousted in extraordinary circumstances at an ill-tempered AGM last night in which the hard right old guard relinquished all but two positions.

The night is being seen as a big defeat for the conservative forces led by Mr Cziesla, former senator Zed Seselja and Deputy Leader in the Legislative Assembly Jeremy Hanson, and a turning point for the party that has lost five ACT elections in a row and suffered the humiliating loss of a Senate seat.

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It is believed the AGM lined up opposing teams backed by Mr Hanson and the moderate party Leader Elizabeth Lee, both of whom were in the room.

But two senior party sources said the results were driven by a pragmatic alliance of members across the party – not just the moderates – fed up with losing elections and the management style and extreme views of the hard right.

One said the changes would give Ms Lee more freedom to act as Leader and prosecute the Liberal cause.

“The constraints that Elizabeth has been working under can be removed,” the source said. “She has felt the dead weight of the conservatives that run the party machine up until now very much on her shoulders.

“It was a big blow to the right of the party and hopefully, it means a shift back to the sensible centre.”

Another party member at the meeting said Mr Cziesla, who had been president since 2017, was to be opposed by Nick Tyrell, but he had to withdraw due to a personal emergency.

Mr Cziesla’s supporters then tried to have him installed unopposed, but points of order from the floor forced him to contest an empty chair, allowable under the party rules.

The vote went 122-117 against Mr Cziesla, but the position will have to be decided at another meeting, which will have to be held before preselections in February.

Mr Cziesla, who was quizzed on the 2020 federal election review and loss of the Senate seat, could still regain the top position, but it is considered unlikely given the mood of the meeting.

“It was really interesting that people would rather choose an empty chair than John,” the party member who wished to be unnamed said.

Many believed Mr Cziesla was not on board with Ms Lee, contradicting her public statements in private.

“That’s why everyone was pushing to replace John because you need to have people on the same wavelength,” the party member said.

Jeremy Hanson

The meeting was said to be a “kick in the shins” for Deputy Liberals Leader Jeremy Hanson. Photo: Claire Fenwicke.

The moderate or anti-Seselja forces took the vice-presidency with Megan Fox winning 133 to 119 over former Seselja staffer Joshua Osborne-Goldsbrough. Courtney May won the finance director’s position.

Mr Hanson ran an all-male ticket, incurring the wrath of women in the party, some of whom were shouted down by old guard supporters in the meeting.

“Any women running last night were not on Jeremy’s side,” the party member said.

A senior party source said “normal” party members were no longer prepared to put up with the aggressive male clique that had dominated the party.

The source said they were not operating in the party’s best interests, and the new team would give Ms Lee the best chance of winning the election.

“It was a solid repudiation,” the source said.

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The party member said that when it became clear how the meeting was going, the old guard became increasingly angry.

“They felt the winds of change happening,” the party member said.

“It was a shitshow. They tried to roll it and nobody let them let them and they didn’t know how to deal with it. They weren’t prepared for not being able to do whatever they wanted.”

The result represented a loss for the old guard and showed that Mr Seselja, who is pursuing a NSW Senate seat and did not attend the meeting, had lost control of the Canberra Liberals, the party member said.

Treasurer Jimmy Kiploks was returned unopposed and the right’s Patrick Fazonne defeated Liam Devlin for the policy position.

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All parties have different groups and factions. To suggest the Canberra Liberals are divided but the ALP is not is a joke. It is a non-issue. The art of leadership is to manage those differences.

Lee doesn’t mind being in opposition as long as she is the party lead.
Canberra is like that dog that gets abused and starved for years. One meal and its back to loving the owner for saving it from the abuse.

When the numbers are against Labor they just build more apartments to encourage more left, or they make rates rise for force the lower social economic right across the border to Queanbeyan. Mastered the true art of gerrymandering property development and socialist policies only the left could live under.

The cat did it4:40 pm 23 Nov 23

Good news that the Canberra Liberals have finally divested themselves of the local authoritarian Right. At last they might get a chance to develop policies relevant to Canberra in the mid-21st century.
Their biggest problem though will remain the Federal Liberal Party. The Federal Libs are hard conservatives, which doesn’t sit well with the moderate nature of ACT electorates. Federal Libs also rarely miss an opportunity to attack Canberra, because kicking Canberra plays well with their constituency in the rest of Australia. The local Libs will have a difficult time as long as Canberra-bashing Right-wingers control the Federal party.

Daniel Rackshack1:17 pm 23 Nov 23

Adam in case you’ve been in a coma for the last 20 years, the Canberra Liberals, under a viciously conservative guard, have lost election after election running right-wing platforms. The Elizabeth Lee led reorientation has put the party on a course towards moderate and sensible pragmatism – a policy posture the ACT is desperately crying out for under moneybags Barr

I for one am happy to hear this news knowing that Elizabeth, backed by a division represented by women and contemporary-minded, will be fit to contest the 2024 election – something impossible under the formerly powerful rightwingers

Labor and the Greens have been a disaster in this term, it’s time for a change. This is a positive step for Lee and the Liberal party.

A somewhat positive story however it’s hardly a smoking gun majority based on those numbers.

“Zed is dead” isn’t evident just yet, he has struggled to secure a cruisy post politics lobbyist job hence why he’s after the late Jim Molans Senate position in a completely different state / territory. Let’s hope he listens to the people of NSW because he didn’t listen to anybody but hard right conservatives in the ACT.

Let’s hope Lee holds onto leadership and can run a moderate Govt alternative to the tired and corrupt Barr Govt

”Let’s hope he listens to the people of NSW“
I think you are attributing to influence something naturally part of the person. Look at Seselja’s backers in his NSW run. All hard right.

This article completely misses the point – it’s been fed by those wanting to create a false narrative.

The Canberra Liberals are completely divided. Hardly a repudiation, what we saw is disaffected minority groups seeking to exact vengeance and blow up the party in the meantime.

All Ms Lee has done is seal her election loss – the party is now hopelessly divided and it is a tinderbox ready to blow – and the Leader is seen at the centre of it all after her divisive speech at the meeting.

No, you’ve missed the point. The party, controlled by the hard line right wing, has lost five elections in a row and are unlikely to win in a progressive electorate. Labor hasn’t been winning because they are wonderful, but because the electorate sees them as the less damaging option. Moderates are trying to bring the Liberal party into something that has a chance.

Daniel Rackshack1:17 pm 23 Nov 23

Adam in case you’ve been in a coma for the last 20 years, the Canberra Liberals, under a viciously conservative guard, have lost election after election running right-wing platforms. The Elizabeth Lee led reorientation has put the party on a course towards moderate and sensible pragmatism – a policy posture the ACT is desperately crying out for under moneybags Barr

I for one am happy to hear this news knowing that Elizabeth, backed by a division represented by women and contemporary-minded, will be fit to contest the 2024 election – something impossible under the formerly powerful rightwingers

Well said Daniel. The extreme Right just don’t get it. Not only have they lost five elections on the trot because they are unpalatable to the electorate, they managed to do what was thought to be impossible – they lost that senate seat. And that has bigger implications than just the ACT. It changed the power in the Senate with both main parties having to amend bills to court an independent. I can’t believe these dudes in the party (and they are mainly dudes) think they don’t have to change anything. If they think that eventually the electorate is going to say “of course we want you and your antiquated beliefs”, then they are delusional. For the ACT, it means we keep getting stuck with a mediocre government, because that is seen to be the lesser of two evils.

While Hansen & co are still in the mix, even Elizabeth Lee is going to struggle to win, because there is a suspicion out there that the dude-bloc will take advantage of her moderate image to win and then find some way of staging a coup and forcing their will onto the electorate.

They’re no more divided than the Labor party. It’s common knowledge the Labor factions all hate each other and only come together for elections. Remember Rudd, Gillard, Shorten? All knifed by factions for short term gain.

The Libs might not win this time locally but they’re heading in the right direction. You can’t say Barr and the Rat have provided good Government to the people of Canberra. They were only winning by default because of Zed and now Hanson who must go.

Time for Jezza to give it away. Perhaps he could reflect and make a farewell speech tomorrow afternoon? Please!!

Five votes between the opposing sides is not a ringing endorsement for Elizabeth Lee’s leadership. An empty chair ‘shitshow’ and just 11 months out from the next election. The old guard of party hacks led by the crotchety and teeth gnashing Jeremy Hanson won’t be giving up too easily. Especially to a bunch of women who have been silenced for too long!

Unable to present Canberrans with a viable and intelligent alternative, Jeremy lost the 2016 election as party leader humiliatingly and abysmally. He is now going into his fifth election on the losing side, seething at being deputy and second fiddle to a woman. Schmoozing and scheming, trashing and undermining the current leader and the party, in cahoots with the old guard militants and hard right including Zed Seselja and John Cziesla is all he has left.

The only hope the Canberra Liberals have of winning is if they all stand down at the next election. Make way for a broader base, more intelligent and informed candidates to give voters a real choice. Unfortunately, the party’s dwindling membership gives them very little to choose from and we will see the same lucklustre and deeply conservative candidates putting their hands up and a return of those who lost out at the last election!

GrumpyGrandpa7:07 pm 22 Nov 23

Hello Jack D.

Few can match you when it comes to your use of unflattering adjectives, when speaking about the Canberra Liberals. 🤣

The sad thing is that there is Thesaurus full of alternate words for “dissapointing”, that could be used to describe most of the Assembly.

To paraphrase your comments, I’d say that most of the Assembly, should consider standing aside to make way for a broader base, more intelligent and informed candidates to give voters a real choice.

For what it’s worth, I think Messrs Hanson and Barr are the standouts for their respective sides. I also think Mr Parton is ok; possibly because I don’t have any confidence in his opponent; Mr Steele.

The really scary thing is that I don’t think we will see any significant change in candidates for either side and come Oct ’24, Canberrans will return an alliance government that won’t be answerable to the people because the Greens will pledge to support the ALP, regardless of the issue.

In my opinion, we’d be better off with a minority government (regardless of party) and an independent Greens

I agree with your assessment GrumpyGrandpa, my argument could be targeted at all parties in the Assembly.

Many in Labor and the Greens have fallen well short of expectations this parliamentary term. The CIT debacles, an education minister taking her eyes off the ball in tackling violence in some of our schools, a lack of renewal with some MLA’s being allowed to hang around in the Assembly too long and the ChooseCBR debacle are just some failures that come to mind. Party members are now eagerly awaiting the outcome of the ACT Integrity Commission hearing into the awarding of a government contract and allegations of political interference.

The October 2024 election provides an opportunity for political parties and its members to drive renewal and elect quality candidates who can do this. Voters also have an opportunity to do their bit and hold those ministers who have fallen well short of expectations to account.

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