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A Letter to Road Users

By KB1971 16 December 2013 40

I know I am going to cop a bit of a flaming for this but hopefully the message will get through to some people:

I am not overly interested in the debate as it has been done to death, just watch and listen.

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ausbradr 11:58 pm 18 Dec 13

So much hate for lycra these days too. It’s almost worth buying lycra just for the purpose of wearing while running errands, just to piss people off intentionally. 😀

Solidarity 10:24 am 18 Dec 13

This morning I got completed cut off by a lycra clad douchebag…. driving his A Class Mercedes. He didn’t even look.

Still wearing the lycra too, bike on the rack on the back.

Felix the Cat 9:57 am 18 Dec 13

Yes ,there are DHs that ride bikes, there are DHs that drive cars and there are DHs that walk but if a collision between a motor vehicle and a cyclist or pedestrian happens the latter two are always going to come off second best and usually seriously injured or worse.

Sure a cyclist hitting a pedestrian could end badly as well (potentially for both parties), but it is such a rare occurence that it is almost a non-event.

KB1971 7:19 am 18 Dec 13

Its so plainly obvious that the haters in this thread have completely missed the point of me posting.

Everybody needs to think about their actions (the movie actually addresses riders doing the wrong thing for those that missed it) because there are a group of people who don’t give a shit about anyone else but ourselves when we are on the road driving.

Its you people who need to think about this, its not about rider or pedestrian behavior, its about road behavior.

For your silly action, you can ruin a persons life, whether it be a pedestrian, a rider (push and motor) or another driver. For chrissake just pull your heads in.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 10:58 pm 17 Dec 13

Masquara said :

snoopydoc said :

It’s often a lot safer _not_ to ding one’s bell when approaching pedestrians from behind. Having you do the startled funky chicken time warp jump to the insert-random-direction-here after we’ve already passed you is a lot less likely to lead to disaster than having you make random unpredictable course corrections while we’re approaching you.

Many pedestrians also seem egregiously affronted when we _do_ use a bell, presumably because they interpret it to mean “Get out of the way, you perambulating ass-clown!” rather than the intended “I’m behind you and might want to make a little space, or control your dog, or child, please.”

Anyone who wonders why cyclists have a bad name – read the above. What a dead turd.

Please elaborate…

Pork Hunt 9:03 pm 17 Dec 13

KB1971 said :

Masquara said :

snoopydoc said :

It’s often a lot safer _not_ to ding one’s bell when approaching pedestrians from behind. Having you do the startled funky chicken time warp jump to the insert-random-direction-here after we’ve already passed you is a lot less likely to lead to disaster than having you make random unpredictable course corrections while we’re approaching you.

Many pedestrians also seem egregiously affronted when we _do_ use a bell, presumably because they interpret it to mean “Get out of the way, you perambulating ass-clown!” rather than the intended “I’m behind you and might want to make a little space, or control your dog, or child, please.”

Anyone who wonders why cyclists have a bad name – read the above. What a dead turd.

Is there such a thing as a live turd?

Chris Pyne?

KB1971 8:39 pm 17 Dec 13

Masquara said :

snoopydoc said :

It’s often a lot safer _not_ to ding one’s bell when approaching pedestrians from behind. Having you do the startled funky chicken time warp jump to the insert-random-direction-here after we’ve already passed you is a lot less likely to lead to disaster than having you make random unpredictable course corrections while we’re approaching you.

Many pedestrians also seem egregiously affronted when we _do_ use a bell, presumably because they interpret it to mean “Get out of the way, you perambulating ass-clown!” rather than the intended “I’m behind you and might want to make a little space, or control your dog, or child, please.”

Anyone who wonders why cyclists have a bad name – read the above. What a dead turd.

Is there such a thing as a live turd?

Masquara 6:29 pm 17 Dec 13

snoopydoc said :

It’s often a lot safer _not_ to ding one’s bell when approaching pedestrians from behind. Having you do the startled funky chicken time warp jump to the insert-random-direction-here after we’ve already passed you is a lot less likely to lead to disaster than having you make random unpredictable course corrections while we’re approaching you.

Many pedestrians also seem egregiously affronted when we _do_ use a bell, presumably because they interpret it to mean “Get out of the way, you perambulating ass-clown!” rather than the intended “I’m behind you and might want to make a little space, or control your dog, or child, please.”

Anyone who wonders why cyclists have a bad name – read the above. What a dead turd.

DUG 2:20 pm 17 Dec 13

snoopydoc said :

54-11 said :

As a very regular pedestrian who has to put up with incredibly ignorant cyclists, I think the cycling brigade needs to get their act in order before criticising others.

Use your bell – it’s the law! Don’t tear in large groups through groups of pedestrians, specially where there are lots of kids and animals around the lake.

Some courtesy and common sense would go a long way, for all sides of this debate.

It’s often a lot safer _not_ to ding one’s bell when approaching pedestrians from behind. Having you do the startled funky chicken time warp jump to the insert-random-direction-here after we’ve already passed you is a lot less likely to lead to disaster than having you make random unpredictable course corrections while we’re approaching you.

Many pedestrians also seem egregiously affronted when we _do_ use a bell, presumably because they interpret it to mean “Get out of the way, you perambulating ass-clown!” rather than the intended “I’m behind you and might want to make a little space, or control your dog, or child, please.”

Stop being a clown! just slow down a little while passing pedestrians. Or Ill bash ya!

Jokes aside it’s not a nice experience when some clown on a bike comes tearing past at 50kms (ridiculously close) while im walking / jogging around the lake. Surely a ding of the bell in advance or using those off road bikes to ….. go off the path for a second would not be that hard.

Innovation 9:41 am 17 Dec 13

rigseismic67 said :

and cyclists always obey the law?
see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OoEdXxFeCk

Well bugger me! I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t seen the footage. A red light running cyclist! You’re right. That must mean all cyclists are bad and all car drivers are good law abiding citizens. Let’s get cyclists off the road I say!

Innovation 9:39 am 17 Dec 13

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

snoopydoc said :

54-11 said :

As a very regular pedestrian who has to put up with incredibly ignorant cyclists, I think the cycling brigade needs to get their act in order before criticising others.

Use your bell – it’s the law! Don’t tear in large groups through groups of pedestrians, specially where there are lots of kids and animals around the lake.

Some courtesy and common sense would go a long way, for all sides of this debate.

It’s often a lot safer _not_ to ding one’s bell when approaching pedestrians from behind. Having you do the startled funky chicken time warp jump to the insert-random-direction-here after we’ve already passed you is a lot less likely to lead to disaster than having you make random unpredictable course corrections while we’re approaching you.

Many pedestrians also seem egregiously affronted when we _do_ use a bell, presumably because they interpret it to mean “Get out of the way, you perambulating ass-clown!” rather than the intended “I’m behind you and might want to make a little space, or control your dog, or child, please.”

And you also want to speed past people walking at 5km an hour while you are doing 40km/h?

I think the paths around the lake should be segregated by speed.

Eg one path for joggers and cyclists who want to do more than 10km/h and a second for walkers and families with little kids on bikes, dogs, and anyone else who might suddenly stop to look at the view/do a poo (dogs and kids included)/pick up said poo/take a photo (not of poo).

I walk around the lake regularly and it is upsetting to have to explain to distressed tourists that no, there is no dedicated pedestrian lane and yes, they will have to put up with cyclists yelling at them to get out of the way because that’s just how Canberra rocks.

As a cyclist, ringing my bell gently well before I pass another path user, and possibly slowing a little, means that there is plenty of time for most path users to demonstrate that they are aware of you when they step slightly to the left and/or rein in their dogs of children and for the odd pedestrian to overreact and correct themselves before you pass. It should also be early enough to be able to ring it more loudly if you think someone hasn’t heard you the first time. I have found it very rare for a pedestrian to get cranky.

At a guess, I would say most cyclists pass pedestrians on shared paths at about 15 to 20km/h and very few are doing 40+ km/h when passing. Even so, as a pedestrian, I would still rather a light weight cyclist passed me at speed than, as a cyclist, a 1 tonne+ car passing me at two or three times my speed.

Wider paths, rather than more segregation (based on vague definitions of road and path users) would be better and probably more cost effective than more separated paths. I’m sick of this crap that “cyclists or pedestrians should have dedicated areas and should keep to them” and the noisy few who are not prepared to share taxpayer funded infrastructure with others.

Postalgeek 8:55 am 17 Dec 13

rigseismic67 said :

and cyclists always obey the law?
see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OoEdXxFeCk

And the point of that straw man is…?

rigseismic67 8:38 am 17 Dec 13

and cyclists always obey the law?
see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OoEdXxFeCk

Queen_of_the_Bun 8:19 am 17 Dec 13

snoopydoc said :

54-11 said :

As a very regular pedestrian who has to put up with incredibly ignorant cyclists, I think the cycling brigade needs to get their act in order before criticising others.

Use your bell – it’s the law! Don’t tear in large groups through groups of pedestrians, specially where there are lots of kids and animals around the lake.

Some courtesy and common sense would go a long way, for all sides of this debate.

It’s often a lot safer _not_ to ding one’s bell when approaching pedestrians from behind. Having you do the startled funky chicken time warp jump to the insert-random-direction-here after we’ve already passed you is a lot less likely to lead to disaster than having you make random unpredictable course corrections while we’re approaching you.

Many pedestrians also seem egregiously affronted when we _do_ use a bell, presumably because they interpret it to mean “Get out of the way, you perambulating ass-clown!” rather than the intended “I’m behind you and might want to make a little space, or control your dog, or child, please.”

And you also want to speed past people walking at 5km an hour while you are doing 40km/h?

I think the paths around the lake should be segregated by speed.

Eg one path for joggers and cyclists who want to do more than 10km/h and a second for walkers and families with little kids on bikes, dogs, and anyone else who might suddenly stop to look at the view/do a poo (dogs and kids included)/pick up said poo/take a photo (not of poo).

I walk around the lake regularly and it is upsetting to have to explain to distressed tourists that no, there is no dedicated pedestrian lane and yes, they will have to put up with cyclists yelling at them to get out of the way because that’s just how Canberra rocks.

wildturkeycanoe 6:28 am 17 Dec 13

I can’t really say anything, as much as I want to, because everyone has beaten me to it. Doh!

snoopydoc 12:54 am 17 Dec 13

54-11 said :

As a very regular pedestrian who has to put up with incredibly ignorant cyclists, I think the cycling brigade needs to get their act in order before criticising others.

Use your bell – it’s the law! Don’t tear in large groups through groups of pedestrians, specially where there are lots of kids and animals around the lake.

Some courtesy and common sense would go a long way, for all sides of this debate.

It’s often a lot safer _not_ to ding one’s bell when approaching pedestrians from behind. Having you do the startled funky chicken time warp jump to the insert-random-direction-here after we’ve already passed you is a lot less likely to lead to disaster than having you make random unpredictable course corrections while we’re approaching you.

Many pedestrians also seem egregiously affronted when we _do_ use a bell, presumably because they interpret it to mean “Get out of the way, you perambulating ass-clown!” rather than the intended “I’m behind you and might want to make a little space, or control your dog, or child, please.”

Postalgeek 12:20 am 17 Dec 13

Holden Caulfield said :

I respect the message of this video and understand it’s my duty to do what I can to ensure the safety of all road users when I’m driving my car.

Now that the niceties are out of the way, what a load of emotional clap trap. Wtih good reason perhaps, it’s simply a technique to try and get the message across.

But it still comes back to the basic human instinct of protecting oneself. Noone else can do this for you.

Cycling on the road is not the only way to keep fit.

Cycling on the road is not the only way to stay healthy.

Cycling on the road is not the only way to make a difference to the environment.

And yet we all make choices.

I know it will never happen in my lifetime, but if we want to get fair dinkum about cycling then we need to start better catering for cyclists by giving them dedicated lanes and infrastructure. Ideally not at the inconvenience of the majority (ie. motorists). Some compromise is fair enough, granted.

A tradie can’t climb a ladder without wearing boots; OH&S says so.

A roofer can’t work on a single storey house without guardrails; OH&S says so.

OH&S has become its own industry.

And yet a cyclist of any age, with no requirement to prove any understanding of the road rules is free to ride on the road with motorbikes, cars and trucks. It’s bad enough cars and trucks share the road, let alone someone on a pushbike.

However, cultural norms mean we barely even bat an eyelid at this daily paradox.

Cycling on the road is dangerous. And if it’s as bad as that video makes out then the only solution to guarantee the safety of cyclists is for them to take personal responsibility and cease riding on the road.

Just as we allow and accept that 1500 or so people will die on our roads each year, cyclists either need to accept the risks involved or stop riding on the road. Emotional videos like this won’t alter the behaviour of most motorists.

Of course, awareness campaigns are good and I fully support the give cyclists a metre campaign getting traction recently and, like I said, I’m happy to wait a few seconds, keep an eye out and do whatever I can to ensure I’m no more risk to a cyclist than they are to me.

However, none of this stops the inherent dangers of bikes sharing the road with cars/trucks etc. It’s risky and until cyclists are separated from motorised traffic those risks are never going to go away.

If you’re concerned about not being here for your kids and fear the dangers of cycling on the road, the answer’s pretty simple. Sadly, expecting the vast majority of selfish motorists to give a shit about your welfare is like living in la la land.

Most motorists don’t give a crap about each other, why would they care about you?

I don’t disagree with what you’ve said. What you’re talking about is defensive riding, and a large number of cyclists, but not all, practice it and do what they can for risk reduction. Most are acutely aware that they’ve left a comfortable realm of safety when they ride on the road. Like surfers and sharks, knowing that you won’t see death coming from behind or side on until it slams into you is always in the back of your mind when cycling on roads.

Most cyclists don’t enjoy cycling on busy roads. That’s why the uncongested Cotter loop, and old Fed hwy, and the early mornings, see so many cyclists.

And putting aside recreational roadies for a minute, most commuters I know (myself included) take radically longer routes to reduce road exposure where they can. Fact of the matter is that the direct dedicated trunk routes that motorists take for granted aren’t always there for cyclists. Try riding Fyshwick to Woden. Often it is simply not possible to avoid roads altogether.

The whole thing is stupid as cyclists and motorists are often in furious agreement about cyclists and motorists being separated from each other where possible.

But until planners wake up to the fact that segregated bike lanes on the wider median strips mean that cyclists aren’t as exposed to or disrupted by side-entry traffic we’ll continue to see a number of cyclists choosing roads over off-road cycle paths due to right-of-way laws.

Holden Caulfield 10:58 pm 16 Dec 13

I respect the message of this video and understand it’s my duty to do what I can to ensure the safety of all road users when I’m driving my car.

Now that the niceties are out of the way, what a load of emotional clap trap. Wtih good reason perhaps, it’s simply a technique to try and get the message across.

But it still comes back to the basic human instinct of protecting oneself. Noone else can do this for you.

Cycling on the road is not the only way to keep fit.

Cycling on the road is not the only way to stay healthy.

Cycling on the road is not the only way to make a difference to the environment.

And yet we all make choices.

I know it will never happen in my lifetime, but if we want to get fair dinkum about cycling then we need to start better catering for cyclists by giving them dedicated lanes and infrastructure. Ideally not at the inconvenience of the majority (ie. motorists). Some compromise is fair enough, granted.

A tradie can’t climb a ladder without wearing boots; OH&S says so.

A roofer can’t work on a single storey house without guardrails; OH&S says so.

OH&S has become its own industry.

And yet a cyclist of any age, with no requirement to prove any understanding of the road rules is free to ride on the road with motorbikes, cars and trucks. It’s bad enough cars and trucks share the road, let alone someone on a pushbike.

However, cultural norms mean we barely even bat an eyelid at this daily paradox.

Cycling on the road is dangerous. And if it’s as bad as that video makes out then the only solution to guarantee the safety of cyclists is for them to take personal responsibility and cease riding on the road.

Just as we allow and accept that 1500 or so people will die on our roads each year, cyclists either need to accept the risks involved or stop riding on the road. Emotional videos like this won’t alter the behaviour of most motorists.

Of course, awareness campaigns are good and I fully support the give cyclists a metre campaign getting traction recently and, like I said, I’m happy to wait a few seconds, keep an eye out and do whatever I can to ensure I’m no more risk to a cyclist than they are to me.

However, none of this stops the inherent dangers of bikes sharing the road with cars/trucks etc. It’s risky and until cyclists are separated from motorised traffic those risks are never going to go away.

If you’re concerned about not being here for your kids and fear the dangers of cycling on the road, the answer’s pretty simple. Sadly, expecting the vast majority of selfish motorists to give a shit about your welfare is like living in la la land.

Most motorists don’t give a crap about each other, why would they care about you?

54-11 9:58 pm 16 Dec 13

As a very regular pedestrian who has to put up with incredibly ignorant cyclists, I think the cycling brigade needs to get their act in order before criticising others.

Use your bell – it’s the law! Don’t tear in large groups through groups of pedestrians, specially where there are lots of kids and animals around the lake.

Some courtesy and common sense would go a long way, for all sides of this debate.

bugmenot 9:16 pm 16 Dec 13

Felix the Cat said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Ever noticed what the Canberrra motorcycle cops wear in Summer? They have jodphur looking pants but only a short sleeve shirt. Motorcycles generally go a lot faster than bicycles and would therefore stand to lose a lotmore skin than a cyclist if they fell off

Pet hate.

As a motorcyclist, I find it appalling that some (not all, but it does certinaly seem to be a large percentage) of the motorcycle cops think it is acceptable to be wearing anything other than all the gear, all the time.

Given they are on our tax payers money, they should be wearing the appropriate safety gear. It is far, far cheaper to have the gear on than it is to fix what’s left of the rider…

Be a pessemist. Plan for or expect the worst and when it doesn’t happen, you can be pleasently surprised!

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