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By UrbanAdventure.org 23 October 2009 120

Speed camera van I was driving around Canberra earlier this day, showing a friend from Victoria around the city. After about an hour of driving, he turned to me and said “Where are all the speed cameras?”

I had to think for a while because I only knew the location of five, two on The Monaro Highway, One on Lanyon Drive, one in manuka and one in Civic. Then he asked me where the mobile ones were. His interest being that as a Victorian traffic cop, he had not spotted a single speed camera in the time we were driving around. I replied that in the ten years I’ve lived in the region, I would have seen less than ten speed cameras in the ACT, and less than five in Queanbeyan. He was astounded, and asked if we had any unmarked mobile speed cameras.

I replied that I didn’t think so, but as I didn’t speed, I wouldn’t know. (okay, I may go a few kilometres over the speed limit for very short periods due to keeping an eye on traffic between routine checks of the speedo, but I never intentionally speed). I did point out that the only mobile speed cameras I’d seen in the ACT were big white Tarago like vans with signs saying “your speed
has been checked” on top of them and “speed camera ahead” displayed in front of them in most cases.

My friend was quite appalled. He said he had heard that speed enforcement was a bit slack up here, but had not realised just how slack it was. I did point out though that the road statistics seemed to indicate that there were relatively few fatalities in the ACT. He argued back that for the population size the number of deaths per ten thousand people was probably higher in the ACT that most places except for the Northern Territory which, according to him, consistently has the highest number of deaths per capita of any state. Then he pointed out that technically NT is now a state, which I knew anyway, but figured I’d mention it anyway.

As we drove he pointed out a multitude of traffic infringements of drivers over a one hour period. These included:

  • 64 cases of drivers not indicating left when leaving a round about. (yes, we went around lots of round abouts)
  • 13 drivers who did not indicate when changing lanes
  • 4 drivers who did not indicate when turning.
  • 7 drivers not indicating when merging.
  • 4 drivers using their mobile phone when driving.
  • 1 driver turning against a do not enter sign.
  • 2 drivers who failed to give way to pedestrians at traffic lights while turning.
  • 3 drivers who did not wait for pedestrians to clear a zebra crossing before moving on.
  • 6 probable cases of drivers exceeding the speed limit in a school zone.
  • 2 probable cases of drivers probably exceeding the speed limit by 20 km/h, both on Hindmarsh Road hill.
  • 1 cyclist not stopping for red lights. (but for two lights)
  • 3 cyclists including 2 chidren not dismounting at lights.
  • Countless pedestrians walking through “do not walk” signs / symbols.
  • 2 seperate traffic accidents in almost the same sppot just under an hour apart.

Of course, in legal speak those are all “alleged”.

  • Now I’m not saying any drivers from any particular geographic are of Australia
    are any better or worse than any others. But I am interested in people’s opinions
    on this.
  • Do you think ACT region drivers are better or worse than drivers from other
    parts of Australia?
  • Do you think there is anything that ACT region drivers do better or worse
    than drivers from other parts of Australia?
  • Do you think we already have enough speed cameras? Or that we need more?
  • And what do you think about unmarked mobile speed cameras? Good for us,
    or a pain?
  • Finally, do you think penalties for driving while using a non hands free
    mobile phone are harsh enough, or too harsh?

And please, unless you have definitive proof from reputable sources that you do provide a link to, please keep your answers racism and sexism free. I don’t have an opinion on much of those questions myself, but I am interested in what other people’s opinions are.

What’s Your opinion?


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SyntaxEra 7:27 pm 13 Nov 09

bileduct said :

SyntaxEra said :

So here’s my rant:
Are you one of the people who come shooting down past others in the right hand lane, doing 80 in a 60 zone, only to jump on the breaks and try to slip in front of me to make a left turn?

Yes, I do this all the time. The look on your face is priceless.

I look forward to seeing you in a supermarket, gimp.

Spideydog 8:48 am 08 Nov 09

bileduct said :

Spideydog said :

What a load of trollop. Next from bileduct – telepathy, your friend on the road.

Telepathy isn’t required. Observation and self preservation will get you by.

Sorry, still not sharing the rage…

You still don’t get the “courtesy” part, which is the essence of my argument. Observations and self preservation I agree with and I use in my driving, but that doesn’t give you an excuse to be lazy and selfish by not indicating your intent on the road, as required by law, whether or not you see it as “required”.

If you see my posts as “rage” then your observation skills cannot be relied upon, on the road 😉

bileduct 11:25 pm 07 Nov 09

Spideydog said :

What a load of trollop. Next from bileduct – telepathy, your friend on the road.

Telepathy isn’t required. Observation and self preservation will get you by.

Sorry, still not sharing the rage…

Spideydog 6:30 pm 07 Nov 09

bileduct said :

Spideydog said :

Coming to a suburb near you …. local race tracks, speed limits need not apply. Oh well, it might mean that in the ACT, we can finally have front fences – concrete race track barriers.

We had this for three years and were quite happy with it until you hippies had to have your way.

Hmmm, you may need to decipher that one. If you mean the dragway, nowhere here, have I ever opposed a dragway. I actually support one. So, does that make me a “hippie”

Spideydog 6:27 pm 07 Nov 09

bileduct said :

Spideydog said :

Rage …… Pffft. Your advocating being lazy and discourteous on the road.

I have never, ever used a flashing light to determine what direction a vehicle will move on a roundabout. I watch the approaching vehicle and, when I can, the direction the other driver is looking as well as their hands to make my determination. As soon as I can be assured the driver is exiting the roundabout, and only then will I enter the roundabout. Otherwise it’s quite simple – give way to all traffic on a roundabout. How is that not courteous? Especially to someone who may have left their indicator on by accident?

But hey, whatever. Next time you enter a roundabout and fail to give way to other traffic causing a collision, let me know how “but he had his indicator on!” goes as a defence for you.

What a load of trollop. Next from bileduct – telepathy, your friend on the road.

Nowhere did I say about my decision on entering a roundabout was based solely on what is being indicated, so your little spiel was a total loss. My whole argument was about being courteous on the road, a concept you seem to have trouble with.

bileduct 5:57 pm 07 Nov 09

Speaking of courtesy, perhaps ACT drivers are also reluctant to use indicators as when they usually do the response from other drivers on the road is to speed up to close the gap they were trying to move into instead of taking their foot of the accelerator slightly and letting them in.

There’s a courtesy I rarely see on Canberra roads.

bileduct 5:14 pm 07 Nov 09

Spideydog said :

Coming to a suburb near you …. local race tracks, speed limits need not apply. Oh well, it might mean that in the ACT, we can finally have front fences – concrete race track barriers.

We had this for three years and were quite happy with it until you hippies had to have your way.

bileduct 5:02 pm 07 Nov 09

Spideydog said :

Rage …… Pffft. Your advocating being lazy and discourteous on the road.

I have never, ever used a flashing light to determine what direction a vehicle will move on a roundabout. I watch the approaching vehicle and, when I can, the direction the other driver is looking as well as their hands to make my determination. As soon as I can be assured the driver is exiting the roundabout, and only then will I enter the roundabout. Otherwise it’s quite simple – give way to all traffic on a roundabout. How is that not courteous? Especially to someone who may have left their indicator on by accident?

But hey, whatever. Next time you enter a roundabout and fail to give way to other traffic causing a collision, let me know how “but he had his indicator on!” goes as a defence for you.

Deckard 4:50 pm 07 Nov 09

Tooks said :

I find it pretty irritating having to stop at a roundabout because someone is too lazy or inconsiderate to indicate their exit. But then again, that 5 second delay doesn’t exactly ruin my day.

I also agree. People turning left who don’t indicate while I’m waiting for them to come straight through will get the bird from me.

As has been pointed out countless times here speeding may not be the only reason for accidents, but it does cause a percentage of them. Speed limits should be in place and enforced along with other forms of dangerous driving. Speeding is just the easiest one to police that’s all.

We don’t have cameras that get you for not indicating, or cutting people off – not yet anyway.

Spideydog 2:06 pm 07 Nov 09

Typhoon said :

I don’t know how any police officer can reconcile the hypocrisy or enforcing speed laws when they themselves know they are not the issue with regards road tolls.

Which Police, you will have to point them out. I am sure we would all like to see them exposed, to reveal the conspiracy speeding really is …..

Coming to a suburb near you …. local race tracks, speed limits need not apply. Oh well, it might mean that in the ACT, we can finally have front fences – concrete race track barriers.

So to raise or get rid of speed limits, you propose advanced driver training. This would have to be for EVERY single driver. Not to mention that do you think that EVERY single driver is “capable” of doing and successfully completing advanced driver training? With the current level of driver ability we have, that makes me a little scared.

Spideydog 1:53 pm 07 Nov 09

bileduct said :

Spideydog said :

It’s not just about “putting someone as risk” How bout common courtesy ….. but thats alright as long is one is looking out for number 1 – who gives a s$%t about anyone else right !! I am sure the the people waiting at the roundabout thinking your victorian friend was going straight on the roundabout, only to veer of without indicating, would have loved their driving courtesy.

It doesn’t bother me one bit that others don’t indicate when leaving a roundabout, and that includes when I am waiting to enter said roundabout.

I don’t share your rage, sorry.

Rage …… Pffft. Your advocating being lazy and discourteous on the road.

Tooks said :

I find it pretty irritating having to stop at a roundabout because someone is too lazy or inconsiderate to indicate their exit. But then again, that 5 second delay doesn’t exactly ruin my day.

I agree.

Tooks 10:50 am 07 Nov 09

I find it pretty irritating having to stop at a roundabout because someone is too lazy or inconsiderate to indicate their exit. But then again, that 5 second delay doesn’t exactly ruin my day.

bileduct 9:03 am 07 Nov 09

Spideydog said :

It’s not just about “putting someone as risk” How bout common courtesy ….. but thats alright as long is one is looking out for number 1 – who gives a s$%t about anyone else right !! I am sure the the people waiting at the roundabout thinking your victorian friend was going straight on the roundabout, only to veer of without indicating, would have loved their driving courtesy.

It doesn’t bother me one bit that others don’t indicate when leaving a roundabout, and that includes when I am waiting to enter said roundabout.

I don’t share your rage, sorry.

Typhoon 11:49 pm 06 Nov 09

I can’t believe that average, relatively intelligent people still blindly believe the political “speed kills” mantra.
There is no evidence to support it, only healthy revenue to be obtained from perpetuating the myth. In fact, in several, more enlightened countries, studies have shown that people will only drive at the speed they are comfortable and safest at, some people can safely drive 20 km/h faster than you, some slower. Enforcing arbitrary speed limits does little except frustrate the majority. 10 km/h over the speed limit is not unsafe, 30 or 40 km/h, sure, but that is a very rare occurence.
Statistics show that there have been several declines in the annual road toll in Australia, one was when seat belts were made mandatory in vehicles, another when drink driving laws were implemented and enforced.
There was NO decrease, and there has not been a decrease, in fatalities or accident rates since speed cameras and speed enforcement with radar equipment has been introduced. It is purely revenue raising and an easy, cop out way for governments to say they are doing something.
I don’t know how any police officer can reconcile the hypocrisy or enforcing speed laws when they themselves know they are not the issue with regards road tolls.
It’s far easier (and cheaper)to point a radar at someone than it is to properly educate people how to drive, or ban repeat drink drivers off the road, for example. Let’s not even start on non Australian standard roads and intersections, or dangerous road surfaces, things which councils and governments have made themselves exempt from prosecution for being negligent.
So, it’s time people woke up to the speeding bullshit and started speaking up against it and demand realistic responses to the REAL threats to road users.
And frankly, the ACT government should look a lot more closely at vehicle safety and roadworthiness and the way it is not even vaguely enforced, before spending another cent on any further anti speed measures. I’ve never lived anywhere with more bald tyred, smokey, non functioning light vehicles in my life……..

Spideydog 11:39 pm 06 Nov 09

bileduct said :

Leaving Barton today I sat behind a woman with Victorian number plates who:

Failed to indicate when turning left (twice)
Failed to indicate when merging lanes (twice)
Failed to indicate when changing lanes
Failed to indicate when leaving a roundabout
Failed to stay at or below the posted speed limit for almost the entire length of Adelaide Avenue

And I didn’t care one bit because precisely none of these actions put myself, or anyone else for that matter, at risk.

It’s not just about “putting someone as risk” How bout common courtesy ….. but thats alright as long is one is looking out for number 1 – who gives a s$%t about anyone else right !! I am sure the the people waiting at the roundabout thinking your victorian friend was going straight on the roundabout, only to veer of without indicating, would have loved their driving courtesy.

The laws are there for a reason and if you choose to obey whatever one’s you feel appropriate, well cry a river when you receive a fine.

Clown Killer 11:06 pm 06 Nov 09

Love yor work bileduct

bileduct 5:37 pm 06 Nov 09

astrosapien said :

bigred said :

Just acept that every one is out to et you, that you are responsible for your own safety and the rules are only really guidelines and you will probably be OK.

The “rules are only really guidelines”!?!

Hands down, one of the dumbest things I’ve EVER seen or heard…

My hat goes off to you… You just reached an all new height of stupidity…

Actually, what bigred said makes perfect sense, unless you’re one of those people who believes it’s safe to proceed through an intersection based solely on the fact that the light is green, or that it’s someone else’s responsibility to check if you are in their blind spot.

bileduct 5:21 pm 06 Nov 09

Leaving Barton today I sat behind a woman with Victorian number plates who:

Failed to indicate when turning left (twice)
Failed to indicate when merging lanes (twice)
Failed to indicate when changing lanes
Failed to indicate when leaving a roundabout
Failed to stay at or below the posted speed limit for almost the entire length of Adelaide Avenue

And I didn’t care one bit because precisely none of these actions put myself, or anyone else for that matter, at risk.

Spideydog 11:44 pm 05 Nov 09

farq said :

I call troll. everyone knows that traffic cops don’t have any friends?

Yeah, but a traffic cop has probably saved one of your family members a few times from getting a bad driver off the road or at least changed their driving manner, unbeknown to you. With a great deal of gratitude I see too …… lol

Spideydog 11:41 pm 05 Nov 09

Genie said :

Wow… Why don’t all of you get off your high horses and give this guy a break…

He pointed out his mate is a police officer – so its kinda his job to take note of people breaking the law.

I most likely break the law every day when I get into my car – but I would still appreciate our police making a better effort to book people, perhaps pass this onto the AFP see if they care or not.

Belconnen is horrible at the moment with lots of new traffic lights, and people running the red lights – because either A – they haven’t seen there is now a traffic light there, or B – well they are idiots for not stopping for a red light. (and yes I mean RED light, not amber lights… but clearly a red light) Sadly the worse set of lights Ive noticed is only 100-200m down the road from the Police Station.

You should see the amount of people that complain about getting pulled up from speeding up and running an amber light …..

Apparently speeding up, to run an amber light, to beat the red, is seen as “not safe enough to stop…”

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