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ACT Government wins “Dirty Ashtray Award”

By johnboy - 20 August 2005 53

ABCC Online is reporting on the AMA’s broadsides at our local government’s smoking-in=bars-and-restaurants legislation.

[The] stance on smoking is illogical and makes a complete mockery of the intent of the original legislation.

If illogical legislation keeps winning awards the ACT Government is going to need a mighty big trophy cabinet.

On the other hand the AMA’s argument that the whims of non-smokers (of which I am one) should take absolute priority seems a bit flimsy to me. I want a dinner date with Angelina Jolie but I don’t expect (nor particularly desire) for it to be legislated.

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ACT Government wins “Dirty Ashtray Award”
Growling Ferret 10:25 am 23 Aug 05

Someone in the ACT Govt should be brave and ban smoking in all pubs and clubs immediately – in NZ, EVERY pub and club is smoke free. The casinos are smoke free. And it made my non-smoking wife far happier to go out and enjoy a night out without reeking of second hand smoke…

As a semi-reformed smoker (only when I drink), it was brilliant. Smokers congregated in the outdoor areas, and the temptation of lighting up was removed when noone else was doing it.

The sooner this is brought into Canberra, the better… Isn’t it sometime in 2006 anyway???

Thumper 10:06 am 23 Aug 05

Chalker,

This is the problem with the whole smoking argument.

At this stage I am agreeing with you. However, you don’t seem to want to tolerate smokers.

It can’t work both ways.

Cheers

Chalker 8:18 am 23 Aug 05

people who complain about smokey pubs, umm, dont go there

Ummm, maybe non-smokers would like to go out and have a good time in pubs also. If said pub has a smoking section, fine, but smokers should stay in there. If it’s not well ventilated enough for your tastes, then stay at home at write letters to the editor.

Your rights end at the tip of my fist. If I punch you in the face, then I’m a prick. If your face gets in the way and then you complain about getting punched – you’re a prick.

bonfire 5:33 pm 22 Aug 05

pious anti smokers can KMA.

dropping a butt on the ground is not littering.

people who complain about smokey pubs, umm, dont go there. sit at home and write letters to the editor, or go for a nice long ride on your monkey bike.

just like eating maccas, smoking is an individual choice.

your rights end at the tip of my nose. if i light up and blow smoke in your face, then im a prick. if you arrive and complain about smoke – youre a prick.

ORL 4:33 pm 22 Aug 05

I don’t even know why people continue to take up smoking these days anyway……Why spend money on killing yourself when you could save it and buy shoes!

I used to work in a couple of nightclubs in Civic and I used to HATE the idiots that would come and hang over the bar with their cigarettes, blowing smoke in your face and ashing all over the place.

Some would ash on people next to them, in the ice or just leaving the butt on the bar burning away.
Some people can be soooo hideous when they go out in public and have a few drinks……too many!

It is illegal apparently to smoke within 1.5 meters of a bar, so as I am a non smoker, I would politly ask people to not smoke when they were ordering their drinks and they would look at me like I was speaking jiberish.

They (smokers) always thought that they had the right to blow smoke in my face cause I worked in a nightclub and either told me to deal with it or start an argument over it.

Hello….Do I come to your work place and blow smoke all over you, become argumentative and basically be a jerk!

Chalker 4:07 pm 22 Aug 05

“I could put it another way. I think fat people should stop eating and start exercising, but I don’t go around complaining about them and telling them they are wrong. Indeed, I should go t McDonlads and tell everyone in there to go and clean up al the rubbish because thee is McDonalds wrapping paper everywhere.”

Are you trying to equate damaging ones own health to that of inflicting damage to the health of others?

Granted if I am in a designated smoking area I have no right to get pissed off at people who are smoking – even if they do blow the smoke in my face – I have an option as to where else I can go. I just resent those smokers who seem to think that it is OK to smoke just outside office / shop doors, thus forcing you to breathe the smoke (or hold your breath and wince your eyes) to go through the door.

Thumper 8:21 am 22 Aug 05

Special G,

Yep, I’d comment if someone was smoking in a non smoking area a swell…..

Cheers

Samuel Gordon-Stewar 4:04 pm 21 Aug 05

Fair Enough…looks like you had an encounter with some average garden-variety idiots.

Special G 1:15 pm 21 Aug 05

I agree with the tolerance thing. What I don’t agree with is the large number of smokers who don’t care whether it is a smoking or non-smoking area or that dropping butts is littering. I am aware that there are smokers who do the right thing.

I simply avoid smoking areas when possible and if in a smoking area don’t comment about it.

I have been out and in a non-smoking area before and had a smoker blow smoke in my face. When politely asked to not blow smoke in my face and that he was in a non-smoking area he picked a fight with me and decided that trying to punch me in the head was a good idea. After I slapped him and his friend (who thought picking me was a good idea as well)into the dirt they came around to my point of view. That is the type of attitude I am talking about.

G

Samuel Gordon-Stewar 12:10 pm 21 Aug 05

Thumper, I agree with you, tolerance is what we require. As a non-smoker, if the smoke annoys me in a smoking area then I will move to the non-smoking area. I congratulate you for being tolerant of us non-smoking types and doing what you can to ease our comfort (blowing smoke upwards etc).

Special G, do I gather that you have some bad experiences with intolerant smokers? Or are you just an intolerant non-smoker?

Thumper 12:03 pm 21 Aug 05

Special G,

As a smoker I try to be tolerant of nonsmokers in that I only smoke in areas I am allowed to, I try to blow the smoke upwards and away from other people, and, if it really annoys someone, I’ll move.

Strangely enough, non smokers don’t seem to ever want to move when they sit down next to a table of smokers. Usually they complain.

The major problem I see as a smoker is the arrogance of some non smokers as they use some sort of ethical and righteous snobbery to justify their position.

Most of my friends are non smokers. I respect that. They respect my right to smoke. If we are out and we’re sitting n a smoking area I wil smoke. If sitting in a non smoking area, then I wll go away for a durrie.

As for butts? No, I don’t flick them on the ground. I put them in bins, or if there isn’t one, in my bloody boot!

Simple stuff although I do agree that ventilation systems should be severely upgraded.

The old smoking debate always brings out the anti-smoking nazis.

I could put it another way. I think fat people should stop eating and start exercising, but I don’t go around complaining about them and telling them they are wrong. Indeed, I should go t McDonlads and tell everyone in there to go and clean up al the rubbish because thee is McDonalds wrapping paper everywhere.

Really, all it takes is a little bit of tolerance on both sides.

Now I shall sit back and await the flames….

Special G 9:18 am 21 Aug 05

Piggy, Go inflict your lung cancer on someone who wants it. When your out having a good time and blowing smoke in the non-smokers face your probably standing two feet away from the no smoking sign. You people just don’t give a shit.

Most smokers feel the world is thier ashtray and drop thier butts anywhere and everywhere.

G

piggy 5:30 pm 20 Aug 05

“There is something very unusual and illogical about those laws. I have no problem with smoking areas, I just would like to see them be placed more logically…and perhaps have a bit more ventilation” i totaly agree.

tho i think some non smokers realy push the point way too far and become real pains in the arse. last thing i need when im out haveing a good time is to be told off by some non smoker and realy kill my night out.

Samuel Gordon-Stewar 1:40 pm 20 Aug 05

There is something very unusual and illogical about those laws. I have no problem with smoking areas, I just would like to see them be placed more logically…and perhaps have a bit more ventilation.

jr 11:20 am 20 Aug 05

Angelina Jolie…. *sigh*
You are a sick and twisted puppy.

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