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ACT speed cameras – Wet paper bag?

By gooterz 29 June 2014 31

Further to damning report about the non-strategy of deploying speed cameras in the ACT, the Canberra times has now written an article to state that many of the speed cameras have been out of action for months/years, some of our most expensive speed camera’s aren’t even making a cent.

Ginninderra Drive and Coulter Drive in Florey – Last online January 2012.
Marconi Crescent and Drakeford Drive in Kambah – Last online February 2013
Hindmarsh Drive and Yamba Drive in Mawson – Last online August 2013
Tuggeranong Parkway at Hindmarsh Drive – Last online February 2014.

Only 2 of the 5 mobile speed vans are able to be used.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/speed-cameras-out-of-action-on-busy-canberra-roads-20140626-zsmll.html

Its fairly damning of the current government.
Speed cameras are something that most people would think fairly easy to manage. This is a government who wants to build and manage some of the largest infrastructure projects since self-government.

How many years will light rail be out of action and awaiting parts for repair?


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Pity 12:37 am 04 Jul 14

Felix the Cat said :

So if these are truly “safety cameras” then how come the road toll hasn’t dramatically increased while the cameras have been out of order? Maybe it’s because they are there for revenue raising and not safety.

I see your point, however maybe the road toll hasn’t increased because most people don’t realise it’s inactive. I love getting revenue off the people who trip the cameras. More money for my local government (I’m not being sarcastic either)

bigred 7:53 pm 03 Jul 14

BenMac said :

magiccar9 said :

bigred said :

Well if this is correct what is the relevant Minister going to do about it? Simon Corbell, I know you and your minders read stuff here, how about some action? Not the usual polly waffle we see/hear.

I agree with you on this one. Perhaps instead of force feeding us stats and police media releases, the relevant Minister could actually ask Canberra drivers what they think/want. If the overwhelming majority think that more police visibility is going to make a difference, why doesn’t the Government represent those who elected them and give it a go, if only for a trial. Heck, we put them in power, the least they could do is listen to us once in a while.

That’s all well and good, but what about victims of serious crimes.

Im sure they’d want Police investigating the crime committed against them and would care too much about traffic issues.

Bigred, if you or a member of your family was assaulted or robbed or had their credit card stolen and used at multiple places, would you prefer they were spending the time investigating it properly (again, statements, evidence collection), or driving around so it ‘looks’ like they’re doing something?

It’s a juggling act. Police may be able to conduct high visibility patrols for an hour or 2, but the majority of the public will not see them.

Police are out there. It just that seeing 2-3 cars, driving on all streets, in an area of Tuggeranong or Belconnen, while most drivers are driving on main roads, is like finding a needle in a hay stack.

Benmac you certainly raise a good point. Replace road rule enforcement with assault, robbery, burglary, vandalism etc and I will give you the same message. Law enforcement in this town is selective.

Simon Corbell, you going to participate here?.

BenMac 11:04 am 03 Jul 14

magiccar9 said :

bigred said :

Well if this is correct what is the relevant Minister going to do about it? Simon Corbell, I know you and your minders read stuff here, how about some action? Not the usual polly waffle we see/hear.

I agree with you on this one. Perhaps instead of force feeding us stats and police media releases, the relevant Minister could actually ask Canberra drivers what they think/want. If the overwhelming majority think that more police visibility is going to make a difference, why doesn’t the Government represent those who elected them and give it a go, if only for a trial. Heck, we put them in power, the least they could do is listen to us once in a while.

That’s all well and good, but what about victims of serious crimes.

Im sure they’d want Police investigating the crime committed against them and would care too much about traffic issues.

Bigred, if you or a member of your family was assaulted or robbed or had their credit card stolen and used at multiple places, would you prefer they were spending the time investigating it properly (again, statements, evidence collection), or driving around so it ‘looks’ like they’re doing something?

It’s a juggling act. Police may be able to conduct high visibility patrols for an hour or 2, but the majority of the public will not see them.

Police are out there. It just that seeing 2-3 cars, driving on all streets, in an area of Tuggeranong or Belconnen, while most drivers are driving on main roads, is like finding a needle in a hay stack.

magiccar9 8:20 am 03 Jul 14

bigred said :

Well if this is correct what is the relevant Minister going to do about it? Simon Corbell, I know you and your minders read stuff here, how about some action? Not the usual polly waffle we see/hear.

I agree with you on this one. Perhaps instead of force feeding us stats and police media releases, the relevant Minister could actually ask Canberra drivers what they think/want. If the overwhelming majority think that more police visibility is going to make a difference, why doesn’t the Government represent those who elected them and give it a go, if only for a trial. Heck, we put them in power, the least they could do is listen to us once in a while.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 8:19 am 03 Jul 14

Tooks said :

bundah said :

Tooks said :

Traffic operations may be rostered on that day, maybe not. If they are, there will be maybe half a dozen vehicles for the entire ACT. Spread pretty thin.

This is what I’ve suspected all along and explains why I rarely see traffic cops in my frequent travels. How the police minister or anyone in the assembly for that matter thinks that this is an acceptable situation is beyond comprehension.

As long as KPIs are being met, I doubt he gives a rats, to be honest.

The KPIs will have been set by some public servants somewhere based on stuff they think is important, so why would the minister care?

bigred 7:35 pm 02 Jul 14

BenMac said :

bigred said :

BenMac said :

bundah said :

bigred said :

I guess the marked police vehicles on our roads are taking up the slack.

Ha oh yes they’re everywhere. You’d be lucky to see a handful during daylight hours!

Just to get an idea of your actual knowlegde, how many Police vehicles do you think are on patrol during a shift, in each district (Gungahlin, Belconnen, City, Woden and Tuggeranong), not including Traffic vehicles?

Also, how long do you think those vehicles are off the road if someone is arrested?

Then, how long do you think it takes to conduct further enquiries (evidence collection, taking and writing statement), again taking vehicles off the road, in order to put together a brief of evidence?

irrelevant posting. The real question is where are our 700 coppers during the course of a day? How many are allocated to any particular task, including traffic. From my observations, the time out to put together evidence etc is probably about the same as the other jurisdictions I am familiar with. It is what happens in between that interests me.

700? Well, you pretty much answered my question.

Policing is a 24hrs, 7 day a week job.

You can’t compare total numbers to other Government departments where the majority work 9-5 Mon-Fri.

As Tooks said, most are on RDO’s, training days, Rec leave or another shift starting at another time during the day.

So, taking Tooks general numbers of operations Police, covered across 5 districts, during the majority of a day there are;

5x Sgts
5-10 Constables in Front Offices
10-20 Constables in Patrol Vehicles (so really 5-10 Vehicles)
6 or less Traffic vehicles

That’s 20-40 operational Police Officers on duty for ~350,000 people.

Comparing the ACT to other jurisdictions is a laugh.

Well if this is correct what is the relevant Minister going to do about it? Simon Corbell, I know you and your minders read stuff here, how about some action? Not the usual polly waffle we see/hear.

Tooks 7:31 pm 02 Jul 14

bundah said :

Tooks said :

Traffic operations may be rostered on that day, maybe not. If they are, there will be maybe half a dozen vehicles for the entire ACT. Spread pretty thin.

This is what I’ve suspected all along and explains why I rarely see traffic cops in my frequent travels. How the police minister or anyone in the assembly for that matter thinks that this is an acceptable situation is beyond comprehension.

As long as KPIs are being met, I doubt he gives a rats, to be honest.

BenMac 5:56 pm 02 Jul 14

bigred said :

BenMac said :

bundah said :

bigred said :

I guess the marked police vehicles on our roads are taking up the slack.

Ha oh yes they’re everywhere. You’d be lucky to see a handful during daylight hours!

Just to get an idea of your actual knowlegde, how many Police vehicles do you think are on patrol during a shift, in each district (Gungahlin, Belconnen, City, Woden and Tuggeranong), not including Traffic vehicles?

Also, how long do you think those vehicles are off the road if someone is arrested?

Then, how long do you think it takes to conduct further enquiries (evidence collection, taking and writing statement), again taking vehicles off the road, in order to put together a brief of evidence?

irrelevant posting. The real question is where are our 700 coppers during the course of a day? How many are allocated to any particular task, including traffic. From my observations, the time out to put together evidence etc is probably about the same as the other jurisdictions I am familiar with. It is what happens in between that interests me.

700? Well, you pretty much answered my question.

Policing is a 24hrs, 7 day a week job.

You can’t compare total numbers to other Government departments where the majority work 9-5 Mon-Fri.

As Tooks said, most are on RDO’s, training days, Rec leave or another shift starting at another time during the day.

So, taking Tooks general numbers of operations Police, covered across 5 districts, during the majority of a day there are;

5x Sgts
5-10 Constables in Front Offices
10-20 Constables in Patrol Vehicles (so really 5-10 Vehicles)
6 or less Traffic vehicles

That’s 20-40 operational Police Officers on duty for ~350,000 people.

Comparing the ACT to other jurisdictions is a laugh.

bigred 5:53 pm 02 Jul 14

Tooks said :

bigred said :

BenMac said :

bundah said :

bigred said :

I guess the marked police vehicles on our roads are taking up the slack.

Ha oh yes they’re everywhere. You’d be lucky to see a handful during daylight hours!

Just to get an idea of your actual knowlegde, how many Police vehicles do you think are on patrol during a shift, in each district (Gungahlin, Belconnen, City, Woden and Tuggeranong), not including Traffic vehicles?

Also, how long do you think those vehicles are off the road if someone is arrested?

Then, how long do you think it takes to conduct further enquiries (evidence collection, taking and writing statement), again taking vehicles off the road, in order to put together a brief of evidence?

irrelevant posting. The real question is where are our 700 coppers during the course of a day? How many are allocated to any particular task, including traffic. From my observations, the time out to put together evidence etc is probably about the same as the other jurisdictions I am familiar with. It is what happens in between that interests me.

How is it irrelevant? He’s explaining why marked cars aren’t – as you put it – picking up the slack. In short, they’re generally doing police work. How familiar are you with evidence gathering? It varies greatly depending on the incident type.

In answer to your question of what 700 police officers are doing:

Two thirds are probably off duty. Many are in non-operational areas (Judicial operations, Communications, Crime prevention areas, intel etc). Many are response only areas (criminal investigations teams etc).

General duties police do the bulk of the frontline policing. Let’s look at a patrol zone on a typical day. For example, we’ll use Monday. Let’s take Tuggeranong, although staffing issues would be the same at every patrol zone.

Typical staffing for around 90,000 residents would be:

One Sergeant (one vehicle)
Two constables for front office duties
Four constables on patrol (two vehicles)

If Sgt Plod is lucky, he’ll be able to put out three patrols, but that would be a bit of a luxury because he’ll have a member seconded to another area to cover shortfalls there, and he’ll have one on leave (rec or sick). So we’ll stick with the minimum required which is 1 (Sgt) and 6 (Const). That equates to a Sgt car and two patrols. For about 18 suburbs and 90k people. Sound good? And people wonder why they rarely see a marked car.

Patrol 1 gets a hospital death fairly early on in the shift, so there’s at least 4 or 5 hours work, if not more.

Patrol 2 attends a family violence assault. There’s them off the road for the same amount of time. Sgt Plod is the only person now patrolling Tuggeranong, unless an urgent job comes up and they manage to get some back up from Woden or City or Gungahlin.

Traffic operations may be rostered on that day, maybe not. If they are, there will be maybe half a dozen vehicles for the entire ACT. Spread pretty thin.

Tooks just described a very top heavy organisation. The ACT Policing motherhood statement really lets us down.

bundah 5:08 pm 02 Jul 14

Tooks said :

Traffic operations may be rostered on that day, maybe not. If they are, there will be maybe half a dozen vehicles for the entire ACT. Spread pretty thin.

This is what I’ve suspected all along and explains why I rarely see traffic cops in my frequent travels. How the police minister or anyone in the assembly for that matter thinks that this is an acceptable situation is beyond comprehension.

Tooks 4:31 pm 02 Jul 14

It is what happens in between that interests me

In between what? You are obviously under the impression they’re sitting on their blurters doing very little. Apart from the 12+ active jobs a GDs member will have, in a typical shift they’ll have to attend disturbances, suspicious person jobs, check welfare jobs, assaults, shoplifting etc. They also have follow up enquiries for the other dozen jobs they’re trying to keep on top of (follow up statements, tracking down offenders, tracking down uncooperative witnesses).

And of course, they are expected to contribute to traffic enforcement, visiting schools, proactive patrols of trouble spots, patrols of shopping centres, keeping an eye on known crooks based on intel.

Bigred, there is very little “in between” for a typical copper.

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