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ACT voters not so different after all…

By Gungahlin Al 9 August 2013 30

We get peppered constantly with the mantra that ACT voters are so different from the rest of the nation, that eventually we start to believe it ourselves.

But the first release of data from the ABC’s mammoth Vote Compass project seems to indicate otherwise. For all of the key topics, the ACT results are pretty much slap in the middle of all the other regions. Except Health and Hospitals that is, where the ACT is second only to Tasmania.

In the overall results, the economy was the stand-out issue, asylum seekers second, followed by climate change, health and hospitals, education and broaband bunched together. The variety in stances according to gender, age, income and political leaning are interesting but somewhat predictable.

More interesting are the issues that it seems are very low on most respondents’ radar: mining, transport, food security, manufacturing, defence, childcare, disability care. A wake-up call for the respective interest groups?

The results so far were drawn from the initial 250,000 responses, with weighting to compensate for a range of potential selection biases. The total participation jumped past 500,000 people last night.

So by the end of five weeks, it would seem this project may give an assessment of the nation’s political landscape that will walk all over the endless stream of media-based polls we’ve had for the last four years. Having been on the receiving end of some of those poll calls, they are hardly clear of result biases in the ways their questions are framed. There’s also the little issue of them only calling landlines, which more and more of us are ditching…

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Woody Mann-Caruso 7:57 pm 13 Aug 13

Masquara said :

No – not January; interview on RN last week.

Because you’re lazy, and more than a little disingenuous, I tracked it down. It’s here. The bit you’re talking about is a 24 second (3:52-4:16) by-the-by in a 7+ minute conversation in which Antony Green does nothing else but talk up Vote Compass.

The harshest thing he could say was that he “wasn’t sure” if as many Australian voters would fill this is as Canadian voters. Not “bias compensation possibilities are very limited”, or anything like that, or indeed anything certain at all – just that he “wasn’t sure”. He instantly moved back to talking about the results.

If you focus on this, but ignore the rest, then you’re ignoring that they have demographically-weighted data for 250,000 Australians, and you’re ignoring that, despite what you seem to think are fatal misgivings, Antony Green seems perfectly happy to keep talking about the results.

Seriously, that’s all you had? Not quite the same as your claim that “Antony Green himself has admitted that the bias compensation possibilities are very limited”, is it? Not even close.

Masquara said :

What accusation?

This one: “Selective quote there.”

Which was pretty f*cking rich coming from somebody who cherry-picked 24 seconds out of 450 then presented them as a non-existent ‘admission’.

I’m done. You’re just boring.

Gungahlin Al 9:26 am 13 Aug 13

Masquara said :

Oh that’s OK Gungahlin Al. But you had enough signal to bookend the night and morning with tweets from the caves, so don’t blame a lack of signal, just perhaps nothing substantial to argue.

Such a sleuth. Hope you enjoyed reading my feed! It’s one thing to despatch a tweet or two (given several minutes waiting for signal to drift in and out). Another altogether to go browsing websites.

CraigT 11:42 pm 12 Aug 13

Diggety said :

If one were to use their brain, one would realise that nuclear power has been one of the best solutions to climate change.

Rubbish.

Nuclear power is completely uneconomical. And uninsurable.

Wind power is way better:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/EROI_-_Ratio_of_Energy_Returned_on_Energy_Invested_-_USA.svg/450px-EROI_-_Ratio_of_Energy_Returned_on_Energy_Invested_-_USA.svg.png

Wind is already way cheaper than Nuclear, and every year as Nuclear gets more expensive, wind gets even cheaper.

Nuke-spruikers just love the fact some people are gullible enouhg to swallow their rubbish.

Masquara 9:00 pm 12 Aug 13

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Just to repeat that Antony Green expressed strong reservations about transplanting a “voluntary vote” model from Canada directly to Australia, where we have compulsory voting, without adjustments.

When and where? Surely you’re not confusing his views on the Green Paper circa January with his views about Vote Compass?

You accuse me of selective quoting and you don’t have a quote at all? Put up or f*ck off.

No – not January; interview on RN last week. What accusation?

Woody Mann-Caruso 8:10 pm 12 Aug 13

Just to repeat that Antony Green expressed strong reservations about transplanting a “voluntary vote” model from Canada directly to Australia, where we have compulsory voting, without adjustments.

When and where? Surely you’re not confusing his views on the Green Paper circa January with his views about Vote Compass?

You accuse me of selective quoting and you don’t have a quote at all? Put up or f*ck off.

Masquara 6:50 pm 12 Aug 13

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Feel free to plonk your creds on the table any time, Masquara. I’m sure they’re just as substantial.

No need to plonk creds. Just to repeat that Antony Green expressed strong reservations about transplanting a “voluntary vote” model from Canada directly to Australia, where we have compulsory voting, without adjustments.

Masquara 6:49 pm 12 Aug 13

Gungahlin Al said :

Masquara said :

Care to respond, and either defend your post or address the concerns? Gungahlin Al?

SO sorry that I didn’t get back to you instantly on Friday with a response Masquara. I was attending a panel discussion of 7 world leading science communicators and interviewing one of them (Phil Plait).
And again, sorry I didn’t even get back to you all weekend. It was I realise inexcusable that Bungonia gorge had almost no signal, not even in the caves I was in. And those scouts I was teaching astronomy to really could have waited…

But even now frankly, I would rather be working than bothering with your blatant selective bias.

Oh that’s OK Gungahlin Al. But you had enough signal to bookend the night and morning with tweets from the caves, so don’t blame a lack of signal, just perhaps nothing substantial to argue.

Woody Mann-Caruso 6:02 pm 12 Aug 13

Roundhead89 said :

The economy, jobs and immigration are the three top issues. Climate change doesn’t even make the list. Nice try Al but no cigar.

I missed the part where Al claimed climate change was anywhere near the top of Canberra’s list of election concerns. If you read a little more slowly (or if Al wrote in crayon) you’d have seen that Al was pointing out that we’re the same as the rest of Australia – that is, climate change is clustered way down the bottom with a bunch of other stuff.

It’s apparent that you see ‘climate change’ and your mind immediately turns to penises for some reason (and cigars, it seems, and you already had a thing for round heads), and that’s…well, it’s sad that you’re so conflicted about something. But I’m sure if you tried harder (sorry) you could keep up (sorry).

Roundhead89 5:11 pm 12 Aug 13

To bring this rather silly post into perspective, the ANU has conducted a serious, scientifically based poll about the election issues. The economy, jobs and immigration are the three top issues. Climate change doesn’t even make the list. Nice try Al but no cigar.

Gungahlin Al 11:02 am 12 Aug 13

Here_and_Now said :

Gungahlin Al said :

I was attending a panel discussion of 7 world leading science communicators and interviewing one of them (Phil Plait).

Phil Plait? Cool!

🙂 Such a nice guy in person too.He started off just blogging, so he was cool with talking to me for my little blog. Got some editing work to do before I can post it.

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