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Anyone else stranded by the ACTION bus drivers’ meeting?

By honeybee - 16 June 2011 18

Thanks to RiotACT I knew that a drivers’ meeting was scheduled today and that it would disrupt bus services from 10am-12pm today.  Here is the notice from ACTION. What I didn’t know was that bus services wouldn’t be running between 9am-10am.

I was waiting on College St this morning from about 9:20-9:40 and no buses came. It looks like several other people were stranded including a father with two young boys. Eventually we all got fed up and walked home again.

Anyone else caught out by this morning’s disruption?

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Anyone else stranded by the ACTION bus drivers’ meeting?
bitzermaloney 4:08 pm 17 Jun 11

“Anyone else caught out by this morning’s disruption?”

No.. but I’m still waiting for my light rail train to EPIC.

KB1971 2:01 pm 17 Jun 11

creative_canberran said :

KB1971 said :

Who answer to the transport minister, not the public 😉

Doctrine of Ministerial Responsibility.

KB1971 said :

My whole point originally was that Creative Canberrans OP about ACTION divers alienating the general public because they are subservient is demeaning and incorrect. While he did not directly say it, the insinuation certainly was there.

(noun) – a person holding a government office or job by election or appointment; person in public service.

Nothing subservient about the job nor implied in my post. “Public Servant” is distinct from the word “servant” alone in dictionaries and usage.

It’s worth noting that for a good portion of the twentieth century, ambulance drivers were just that… drivers. They only evolved into paramedics more recently. In both guises, public servants providing an essential service to the public.

ACTION drivers should of course feel free to take industrial action to achieve their objectives, but they must balance that with the needs of the community they serve. Exams finish in a week and break begins… they couldn’t wait?

Point taken.

On your last point, that is the point of industrial action. It inconvenience/embarrass your employer forcing their hand to negotiate your way.In a way though, they did consider the general public by having their meeting in the low traffic period of the day for most people.

Man there would have been an uproar if it had been scheduled between 3 & 5 pm on a weekday …………… 🙂

creative_canberran 1:25 pm 17 Jun 11

KB1971 said :

Who answer to the transport minister, not the public 😉

Doctrine of Ministerial Responsibility.

KB1971 said :

My whole point originally was that Creative Canberrans OP about ACTION divers alienating the general public because they are subservient is demeaning and incorrect. While he did not directly say it, the insinuation certainly was there.

(noun) – a person holding a government office or job by election or appointment; person in public service.

Nothing subservient about the job nor implied in my post. “Public Servant” is distinct from the word “servant” alone in dictionaries and usage.

It’s worth noting that for a good portion of the twentieth century, ambulance drivers were just that… drivers. They only evolved into paramedics more recently. In both guises, public servants providing an essential service to the public.

ACTION drivers should of course feel free to take industrial action to achieve their objectives, but they must balance that with the needs of the community they serve. Exams finish in a week and break begins… they couldn’t wait?

KB1971 11:41 am 17 Jun 11

Very Busy said :

KB1971 said :

I might add, nowhere in this document does it refer to “servant”:

KB1971 said :

(a) service to the public;

I think you’re struggling here KB

Servant – 1.One who serves, or does services, voluntarily or on compulsion; a person who is employed by another for menial offices, or for other labor, and is subject to his command; a person who labors or exerts himself for the benefit of another, his master or employer; a subordinate helper.

So, when you employ someone to say, repair your car, he then becomes your servant? He has no rights?

By your logic then anybody who voluntarily does paid work for someone else is a servant? In these days of equal oppourtunity that certainly doesnt fly. Labelling someone a servant can be demeaning & that is why you do not see it in any of the legislation.

My whole point originally was that Creative Canberrans OP about ACTION divers alienating the general public because they are subservient is demeaning and incorrect. While he did not directly say it, the insinuation certainly was there.

I have worked on both sides of the fence and when I was in private enterprise in had the same veiw as Creative Canberran, I now see both sides since working for the ACT & now Australian Governments. Yep, its a different world but that is how its run.

Very Busy 11:11 am 17 Jun 11

KB1971 said :

I might add, nowhere in this document does it refer to “servant”:

KB1971 said :

(a) service to the public;

I think you’re struggling here KB

Servant – 1.One who serves, or does services, voluntarily or on compulsion; a person who is employed by another for menial offices, or for other labor, and is subject to his command; a person who labors or exerts himself for the benefit of another, his master or employer; a subordinate helper.

KB1971 9:36 am 17 Jun 11

I have found the document you quoted & I think what it is trying to do is indicate to any prospective employee that they are employed by the government & that ACTION is a department of the ACT Public Sector if there was any confusion of that fact.

KB1971 8:47 am 17 Jun 11

KB1971 said :

creative_canberran said :

KB1971 said :

creative_canberran said :

Hey, I drive, doesn’t effect me.

Bus drivers are public servants, they do themselves no favours by alienating the public.

Correction, they are government employees, they are employed to perform a task set out in government policy.

They’re public servants.

Conditions of employment:
“Successful applicants will be employed as ACT Public Servants and work under the conditions of the Public Sector Management Act and the ACTION Certified Agreement, which is available from http://www.action.act.gov.au

Section B of the ACTION Collective Agreement states: “A person will be engaged under the Public Service Management Act…”

You will note that ACTION drivers are “employed as ACT Public Servants”.

Who answer to the transport minister, not the public 😉

I might add, nowhere in this document does it refer to “servant”:

http://www.sharedservices.act.gov.au/docs/agreements/ACTION_Collective_Agreement_2007.pdf

Nor in the PSM:

http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/1994-37/current/pdf/1994-37.pdf

Values and principles
Government agencies shall have an objective of implementing the
following values and principles:
(a) service to the public;
(b) responsiveness to—
(i) the requirements of the government; and
(ii) the needs of the public;
(c) accountability to the government for the ways in which
functions are performed;
(d) fairness and integrity;
(e) efficiency and effectiveness.

A government employee is employes to perform duties for the Government.Part of the duties of a government employee is to give a service to the public, not to be a servant to the public, this is based on government policy. The government is required to have public transport (due to the needs of the community) and ACTION are the administrators of that requirement.

If in their blurb to get employees into ACTION say they are “public servants” then that is a faux par on behalf of the person who wrote that blurb. I suggest they need some legislation training.

BTW, your link is generic & with the quick search I did I could not find the words you quoted. Regardless of that the two official documents I have linked take precedence over any non gazetted piece of literature.

KB1971 8:28 am 17 Jun 11

creative_canberran said :

KB1971 said :

creative_canberran said :

Hey, I drive, doesn’t effect me.

Bus drivers are public servants, they do themselves no favours by alienating the public.

Correction, they are government employees, they are employed to perform a task set out in government policy.

They’re public servants.

Conditions of employment:
“Successful applicants will be employed as ACT Public Servants and work under the conditions of the Public Sector Management Act and the ACTION Certified Agreement, which is available from http://www.action.act.gov.au

Section B of the ACTION Collective Agreement states: “A person will be engaged under the Public Service Management Act…”

You will note that ACTION drivers are “employed as ACT Public Servants”.

Who answer to the transport minister, not the public 😉

creative_canberran 10:53 pm 16 Jun 11

KB1971 said :

creative_canberran said :

Hey, I drive, doesn’t effect me.

Bus drivers are public servants, they do themselves no favours by alienating the public.

Correction, they are government employees, they are employed to perform a task set out in government policy.

They’re public servants.

Conditions of employment:
“Successful applicants will be employed as ACT Public Servants and work under the conditions of the Public Sector Management Act and the ACTION Certified Agreement, which is available from http://www.action.act.gov.au

Section B of the ACTION Collective Agreement states: “A person will be engaged under the Public Service Management Act…”

You will note that ACTION drivers are “employed as ACT Public Servants”.

KB1971 9:50 pm 16 Jun 11

creative_canberran said :

Hey, I drive, doesn’t effect me.

Bus drivers are public servants, they do themselves no favours by alienating the public.

Correction, they are government employees, they are employed to perform a task set out in government policy.

creative_canberran 7:32 pm 16 Jun 11

Eppo said :

Well I’m sure ACTION drivers will check with the precious and unique snowflakes at ANU before they organise a meeting again! Hint: the world doesn’t revolve around you.

Hey, I drive, doesn’t effect me.

Bus drivers are public servants, they do themselves no favours by alienating the public.

Eppo 6:57 pm 16 Jun 11

creative_canberran said :

The drivers can go get .

Seriously, it is exam time at ANU and 10-12pm is when most people who need to use the bus set out for afternoon classes. It didn’t effect me, but had to make alternative arrangements.

Well I’m sure ACTION drivers will check with the precious and unique snowflakes at ANU before they organise a meeting again! Hint: the world doesn’t revolve around you.

excession 5:39 pm 16 Jun 11

I got the 9:29am bus at Mawson shops, and there was an announcement in Woden that there would be NO MORE busses to City and beyond, which was at 9:35 or so.

I’d read 10am, and thought that meant ‘no busses between 10 and 2’, not ‘all services stop between 9 and 10’. Next time, I’ll arrange to get on the bus before 9 (thank goodness I saw the announcement on Riot Act, otherwise I’d have been stranded at Mawson, since Thursdays are really really bad for me and work. I mean REALLY bad. 🙂

creative_canberran 5:30 pm 16 Jun 11

The drivers can go get .

Seriously, it is exam time at ANU and 10-12pm is when most people who need to use the bus set out for afternoon classes. It didn’t effect me, but had to make alternative arrangements.

damien haas 4:36 pm 16 Jun 11

I caught a 9.20 bus from suburban Belco to the Belco Community Station and then into Civic. The bus from Belco to Civic left around 9.40ish and the driver was loudly informing ALL people at the interchange and at stops along the route that it was the last bus until 2PM. I know when I got off in Civic just minutes before 10AM that there were people waiting for buses to ferry them away. Completely unaware of any outage.

I dont want to generalise based on appearances, but i suspect many of the people unaware of the bus outage do not access english language media. However there are many foreign students using the 300 bus routes from Civic to Belco, so my view maybe based on that over representation in the stats. Stats specialists feel free to correct my jargon.

I have also found that just after peak hour some services just dont arrive, on normal days.

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