Beware the bat man!

Hey Jim and others, here’s a thought, next time you’re popping your pills, spare a thought for Bob Knight and his family and friends. Your good night out paid for the gun and bullets.

ahappychappy said :

Unfortunately, the AFP seem to have taken too long and the “Green Batmans” will have all been eaten by now.

I could be wrong, but I believe the 2 seizures mentioned were from May this year. If that’s the case, there’d probably be a few more batman pills around.

“but dey r ezy 2 spot wit da lvl of dere intelect” Love it!

Fair point Jim Jones.

There’s a pretty big difference between “feeling a little less sorry” for someone and such douchebag statements as: “I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves as long as my taxes and insurance fees don’t pay for the ambulance, hospital and post addiction recovery costs.”

I’m a big fan of schaudenfreude, but I’m not gonna act like some kinda selfish jerkwad when someone ODs and needs an ambulance.

LOL @ Jim ^^ ahahahaha!

Anyway back on hand, the problem with “ecstacy” (even though there are hardly ANY pills with MDMA (the real ecstacy) in them anymore as its usually MDA, MDEA or cut with speed, ketamine or any other form of piperazine) is the fact that people aren’t educated about the effects of each chemical, what to do when and IF something goes wrong, and how these little pills work.

The ONLY time people get themselves into trouble is when they dump 10 in an hour, drink too much/too little water, or they combine them with other substances (whether alcohol, another illicit chemical, or prescription drugs). USUALLY, a single pill (even if cut with something a little bit nasty) wont give you too much issue, until the dosage becomes too high.

The educated people are usually the safest, I myself once upon a time whilst partying always did the research online (there are MANY sites who offer this sort of advice, yes there ARE dealers on these sites trying to convince you their gear is the best, but dey r ezy 2 spot wit da lvl of dere intelect), and made sure that if a few of the mates were on the gear, we had someone to look after us if something went wrong. Until people wake up and use some common sense, the issues will keep cropping up. Unfortunately, the AFP seem to have taken too long and the “Green Batmans” will have all been eaten by now.

come on guys, I’m sre you can see Joshua’s point can’t you?
Not that I agree with it, and I believe everyone deserves support and help, no matter if their injury/condition is self caused. But haven’t you ever felt a little less sorry for, say, a person injured in a car accident when they lost control doing burnouts, than a person who was injured while ‘not’ doing something risky?

It’s a little known fact that the Dodo died out after they all refused to wear seatbelts; paramedics attending car crashes wouldn’t treat the fatally wounded birds because they considered this to be a criminal misuse of Joshua’s tax dollars.

Its in their Jim, you just didn’t look hard enough

He goes on at length about the Galapagos Gang, a band of now extinct satanic motorcycle riding tortoises.

Ah touche.

Now I’m off to find that book, detailing how Darwin’s great discovery regarding the evolution of life on Earth was about clearing land of creature who ‘do stupid things, like ride a motorcycle without a helmet’.

I’ll be sure to turn up to your biology lectures.

Hey Jim I think you better get back to your village. They’re missing you.

Joshua post #56:
The vast majority of people I know that use drugs don’t buy them off “a dude on a street corner”, there’s a little more to it than that. And I would think your chances of death by bad mushrooms are much higher than death from dodgy pill – I’d take my chances with the pill any day.

Addendum – delete the last word “pill” obviously.

Oh and one more comment before the flaming begins. I don’t think ecstasy should be illegal, I don’t actually think it’s that harmful. It should in fact be legal and adults if they so choose should be able to take it, the same with dope and a bunch of other “soft” drugs. But I still think you’re a moron if you take an unregulated, untested pharmaceutical product made in someone’s garage pill.

PS – If you’d actually bothered to read a book about evolution, you might have a decent understanding about what it means.

Joshua said :

#48 Johnboy “Booze is my intoxicant of choice, but to pretend that it’s in anyway inherently morally superior over other chemicals is, for mine, the argument of a moron.”

I don’t know what others are getting at, but my point all along was that when you injest illegal drugs you don’t know what you’re taking. Booze is regulated, you know how much alcohol you’re taking, you also know that it’s ethanol not methanol. People who take illegal drugs they’ve bought off some dude on a street corner wouldn’t eat a mushroom they’ve picked in a park if they didn’t know what sort of mushroom it was, yet they’re happy to take some shit cooked up in a garage by a bikie with a year 9 education. That is moronic.
As to the other comments, look I believe Darwin has a point if you do stupid things, like ride a motorcycle without a helmet, then no I don’t think to much effort should be expended keeping you on this earth. Harsh, but then the alternative is the de-evolution of the human race.

Blah blah blah my tax dollars blah blah blah social Darwinism blah blah blah

#48 Johnboy “Booze is my intoxicant of choice, but to pretend that it’s in anyway inherently morally superior over other chemicals is, for mine, the argument of a moron.”

I don’t know what others are getting at, but my point all along was that when you injest illegal drugs you don’t know what you’re taking. Booze is regulated, you know how much alcohol you’re taking, you also know that it’s ethanol not methanol. People who take illegal drugs they’ve bought off some dude on a street corner wouldn’t eat a mushroom they’ve picked in a park if they didn’t know what sort of mushroom it was, yet they’re happy to take some shit cooked up in a garage by a bikie with a year 9 education. That is moronic.
As to the other comments, look I believe Darwin has a point if you do stupid things, like ride a motorcycle without a helmet, then no I don’t think to much effort should be expended keeping you on this earth. Harsh, but then the alternative is the de-evolution of the human race.

johnboy said :

Chemicals do not have any inherent morality.

They’re not “good” or “bad”. They just are.

People on the other hand can and will choose to take chemicals and should be responsible for the future outcomes both in terms of their health and their actions while under the influence of those chemicals.

Booze is my intoxicant of choice, but to pretend that it’s in anyway inherently morally superior over other chemicals is, for mine, the argument of a moron.

hear blo*dy hear.

chewy14 said :

FC,
see johnboy’s point.
That is what I was trying to say.

Yeah I figured as much post post.

FC,
see johnboy’s point.
That is what I was trying to say.

Easy solution.

Legalise drugs.

Makes it safer. Tax for the Government. No more money going to the Taliban etc. Police can get onto doing real work like catching rapists etc etc.

Oh, and kids, don’t buy drugs.
Become a famous musician and people will give them to you for free.

There are also a website (www.pillreports.com) that has a world wide database of pills that have been tested and it tells you what is in them.

Do you seriously think pill users are the only ones posting details to this website.

I can guarantee that the producers of such pills are well versed in what websites are available for positive/negative spin and use them to further their own means.

Dead people cant really post negative experiences anyway huh.

So, after all that, we’ve firmly established that comment #12 was moronic.

Chemicals do not have any inherent morality.

They’re not “good” or “bad”. They just are.

People on the other hand can and will choose to take chemicals and should be responsible for the future outcomes both in terms of their health and their actions while under the influence of those chemicals.

Booze is my intoxicant of choice, but to pretend that it’s in anyway inherently morally superior over other chemicals is, for mine, the argument of a moron.

Skidbladnir – thank god we live in a country that does support people dealing with drug addiction (regardless of its legal status)!
I remember seeing Requim for a Dream (and yes, I know it is only a film) but it scare the crap out of me the way someone needing treatment and support, was treated just because theire problems resulted from illegal drug use.

I mean I get “illegal drugs are bad but there’s nothing wrong with drinking” is a huge hypocrocy and it is my understanding that alchohol causes more injury/death and harm than all illicit drugs put together.
However, the evils of alchohol misuse isn’t really the topic at hand. And does change the effects of illicit drugs.

mzih8u said :

if you take drugs deal with the outcome yourself.

But if you choose to use alcohol or nicotine, society has to help you with yours?

mp2615 said :

So where do you get the test kits ?

Some of the test kits will tell you MDMA or other similar party drugs (up to a certain point of concentration) presence, others test for other non-MDMA drugs (ie: has it been cut with speed, etc), or if there’s any leftover potentially poisonous residue from pill construction.

http://www.ez-test.com.au do ones which test for MDMA, amphetamine, ketamine, and a few other hallucenogenics in the one test (different colours for each category), then another which tests for seperate leftover build residues, for example.

I don’t know of anything short of forensic chemical analysis and some kind of toxicology report from your corpse that will tell you if its been cut with something unexpectedly deadly though, so don’t be overconfident and go thinking a tested pill is ‘totally safe’.
Testing will be able to help you track down a performing dealer, though.

And be advised that although the tests are legal, since testing requires you to knowingly come in contact with and handle a controlled substance, the actual act of testing probably isn’t.

Otherwise, use Google.

What exactly do you mean by that chewy?

Damn Italics.
No,
but the “my drug use is better than your drug use” line doesn’t really work for me either.

FC said :

Roadrage77 said :

Wait a minute, so because alchohol and smoking cigarettes are bad, that somehow makes illicit drugs less bad? doesn’t really fly with me..

No,
but the “my drug use is better than your drug use” line doesn’t really work for me either.

AngryHenry said :

Joshua said :

PS You’re right, life is short – just ask River Phoenix, Bruce Lee, Sid Vicious, Heath Ledger, Tim Buckley, Janis Joplin, Anna Nicole Smith, etc etc etc etc. (oh and of course Anna Wood who was 15 years old or thereabouts)

Better to burn out than fade away. ;oP

are they the only two choices?
I think not!

Roadrage77 said :

I love all of these pompous fools who take pride in saying “I don’t do drugs” as they suck on a dart with the spare hand that isn’t holding a beer.

And the Anna Wood incident was about a million years ago people, get some new material. Since then I’m pretty sure there have been 1000 times the number of smoking/alcohol related deaths.

Wait a minute, so because alchohol and smoking cigarettes are bad, that somehow makes illicit drugs less bad? doesn’t really fly with me..

mzih8u said :

if you take drugs deal with the outcome yourself.

Wow so deep. You should write a book.

Joshua said :

PS You’re right, life is short – just ask River Phoenix, Bruce Lee, Sid Vicious, Heath Ledger, Tim Buckley, Janis Joplin, Anna Nicole Smith, etc etc etc etc. (oh and of course Anna Wood who was 15 years old or thereabouts)

Better to burn out than fade away. ;oP

You get the test kits from adult stores – same place you buy bongs, and porn, and firecrackers and all the other fun stuff for grown ups.

if you take drugs deal with the outcome yourself.

So where do you get the test kits ?

The way I see it people are always going to take illicit substances and I believe that if you chose to take something then you should make an informed choice, potentially mitigating serious harm.

As said before, you can legally purchase pill test kits in Australia that you can use to determine what is in the pills that you have acquired.

There are also a website (www.pillreports.com) that has a world wide database of pills that have been tested and it tells you what is in them.

Usually young people get into trouble when they buy pills on the night from some random person and don’t give any thought as to what it might be.
Or they just don’t look after themselves or their mates.

I guess it all boils down to education.
If you’re uninformed then it’s possible to get into trouble.

I love all of these pompous fools who take pride in saying “I don’t do drugs” as they suck on a dart with the spare hand that isn’t holding a beer.

And the Anna Wood incident was about a million years ago people, get some new material. Since then I’m pretty sure there have been 1000 times the number of smoking/alcohol related deaths.

Sleaz274 said :

First off the police do provide such information publicly on a website designed for harm prevention they give pill reviews basically and warnings on bad batches. It is hidden quite nicely at the back of the AFP or Police website but most long term users check on batches of pills there or if they have a bad experience can make a report on it. So yes teh police do provide a “blue ribbon” stamp of approval to some pills in an effort to inform users and warn them of bad batches.

I don’t think Anna Wood was 15 from memory she was at a club took too many pills for her first time and then failed to look after herself probably because her bone head friends didn’t keep an eye on her as a first timer and she didn’t drink enough/any water which means her body heated up unregulated and she died of massive heat exhaustion complicated because her friends didn’t seek medical care in time because they thought they would get in trouble.

If there had been an organised “chill-out” zone or access to well informed care she would not have died. If the poor darlings realised that no one would really care if they rang an ambulance and the big nasty law wasn’t going to lock them away forever and ever because drugs are bad she would also still be alive. If they left one member sober or not pinging whoes entire role was to watch out for people she would also be alive. There were a lot more factors than the Es she took which played a part in her death which also from memory (I read this in grade 8) was the coroner’s finding.

Of course someone will say well if she hadn’t taken drugs she woudln’t have died. Well Clea Rose didn’t and some clown knocked her off as well. Not many get to choose the manner of their passing only their life.

what was the drug and alchohol abuse history/effect of the person driving the car in the Clea Rose case.. likely you’ll find it was an issue.

Okay I stand corrected (note to self check wikipedia before typing) she was 15 and died from drinking way too much water which reduced her sodium levels. All the rest is however correct buying pills from an unknown not taken to care when needed, too many for her first time etc etc….

Apologies my grade 8 memory has somehow deteriorated….

Skidd Marx said :

Life’s short douchebags, experiment a lttle. The only people who knock drugs are the ones who’ve never tried them.

Not true at all.
I’ve taken many drugs in my time and seen the effects they have on people, both drastic, and minor.
On the drastic end of the scale I have known people that are now drug addicted criminals with no real hope for a happy future. These people started out smoking pot and taking E’s or speed while out. It all seemed harmless enough.
All my other “super awesome fun partying” mates are all good fun on the weekend while they’re out dancing the night away, however a common theme of underlying depression or dissatisfaction with their life always seems to emerge mid week when the deepers conversations come to light.

First off the police do provide such information publicly on a website designed for harm prevention they give pill reviews basically and warnings on bad batches. It is hidden quite nicely at the back of the AFP or Police website but most long term users check on batches of pills there or if they have a bad experience can make a report on it. So yes teh police do provide a “blue ribbon” stamp of approval to some pills in an effort to inform users and warn them of bad batches.

I don’t think Anna Wood was 15 from memory she was at a club took too many pills for her first time and then failed to look after herself probably because her bone head friends didn’t keep an eye on her as a first timer and she didn’t drink enough/any water which means her body heated up unregulated and she died of massive heat exhaustion complicated because her friends didn’t seek medical care in time because they thought they would get in trouble.

If there had been an organised “chill-out” zone or access to well informed care she would not have died. If the poor darlings realised that no one would really care if they rang an ambulance and the big nasty law wasn’t going to lock them away forever and ever because drugs are bad she would also still be alive. If they left one member sober or not pinging whoes entire role was to watch out for people she would also be alive. There were a lot more factors than the Es she took which played a part in her death which also from memory (I read this in grade 8) was the coroner’s finding.

Of course someone will say well if she hadn’t taken drugs she woudln’t have died. Well Clea Rose didn’t and some clown knocked her off as well. Not many get to choose the manner of their passing only their life.

Sorry forgot,
[/Sarcasm]

Joshua said :

Hey Skidd Marx, honestly I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves as long as my taxes and insurance fees don’t pay for the ambulance, hospital and post addiction recovery costs.

chewy14 Said

Yep,
and i’ll add Alcoholics, Smokers and Fat People to that list.
Why should i have to pay for their hospital care? Disgracefu

Hey, let’s also add people who don’t look both ways before crossing the street.
Or even better how about every one who drives a car. Behind the wheel can be a pretty dangerous.
Better yet, what about firemen. It’s their choice to go running into a burning building.
How stupid do you have to be?

Skidd Marx said :

Life’s short douchebags, experiment a lttle. The only people who knock drugs are the ones who’ve never tried them.

What a load of crap.

chewy14 said :

Now i know where Batman gets his power from.

Amir Miguel Asgari!

I pay buckets of tax dollars, maybe I should have a good whine about the Government spending money on self-righteous prudish douchebags with chips on their shoulders.

Joshua said :

Hey Skidd Marx, honestly I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves as long as my taxes and insurance fees don’t pay for the ambulance, hospital and post addiction recovery costs.

Yep,
and i’ll add Alcoholics, Smokers and Fat People to that list.

Why should i have to pay for their hospital care? Disgraceful.

Now i know where Batman gets his power from.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Joshua said :

Hey Skidd Marx, honestly I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves as long as my taxes and insurance fees don’t pay for the ambulance, hospital and post addiction recovery costs.

PS You’re right, life is short – just ask River Phoenix, Bruce Lee, Sid Vicious, Heath Ledger, Tim Buckley, Janis Joplin, Anna Nicole Smith, etc etc etc etc. (oh and of course Anna Wood who was 15 years old or thereabouts)

Exactly.

Yeeeah, 15yr Anna Wood should never have been provided with publically-funded hospital care – evil, scum-sucking drug-taker!

…

PS – that was sarcasm

Joshua said :

Hey Skidd Marx, honestly I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves as long as my taxes and insurance fees don’t pay for the ambulance, hospital and post addiction recovery costs.

PS You’re right, life is short – just ask River Phoenix, Bruce Lee, Sid Vicious, Heath Ledger, Tim Buckley, Janis Joplin, Anna Nicole Smith, etc etc etc etc. (oh and of course Anna Wood who was 15 years old or thereabouts)

Exactly.

Joshua said :

Hey Skidd Marx, honestly I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves as long as my taxes and insurance fees don’t pay for the ambulance, hospital and post addiction recovery costs.

So compassionate Joshua. Where do you draw your line on your taxes being spent on helping someone who requires hospitalisation? Just illegal activity? (eg someone who rides a bike without a helmet and sustains a head injury) Just drug activity? (eg a smoker?) or just any self-harm? (eg someone who has a heart attack from their McDs? or a mother with postnatal depression who attempts suicide?) Are people undeserving of health care just because they made a bad choice?
I’m not arguing the pros and cons of drug use, but the largest drains on our health system are smoking and cardiovascular disease, and one could argue most of the issues are self-created.

If you were worried about the quality or purity of your pilling, you probably wouldn’t be looking to the AFP.
(But there are legal testing kits available (sold and made legally in Australia) if you are concerned)

ahappychappy said :

Knock/defend drugs all you want, the pills mentioned would no longer be for sale I’d assume… October 08? They would’ve been gone by Christmas! And if any of them ARE left they’d be in rubbish bins of users.

But, I suppose if some were to re-appear, there has been a warning about them. Even if it is not really relevant anymore. Maybe they could start testing ALL pills confiscated and report on findings? If anything they might be able to help users know which are more dangerous than others?

Not sure police want to be providing a “good gear guide” and the blue ribbon seal of approval to quality drug brands.

Knock/defend drugs all you want, the pills mentioned would no longer be for sale I’d assume… October 08? They would’ve been gone by Christmas! And if any of them ARE left they’d be in rubbish bins of users.

But, I suppose if some were to re-appear, there has been a warning about them. Even if it is not really relevant anymore. Maybe they could start testing ALL pills confiscated and report on findings? If anything they might be able to help users know which are more dangerous than others?

Or Serotonin even. Sheesh!

Mmm, Seoronin syndrome – fun for everyone!

Should be Seotonin syndrome.

TFMPP is a serotonin receptor agonist, but apparently has an earth-shattering comedown which can last for upwards of a day.
Contibutor experiences on Erowid

BZP is a serotonin and dopamine receptor agonist, and apparently also acts as an amphetamine.

Mmm, Seoronin syndrome – fun for everyone! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome

BZP is what is sold around the place as “a natural herbal high”, I’m not exactly sure what the status is in Australia, I have seen them sold in shops which also sell things like bongs.

BZP is a Schedule 9 substance in Australia, as are TFMPP and MDMA. Schedule 9 of the Standard for the Uniform Scheduling of Drugs and Poisons lists Prohibited Substances “which may be abused or misused, the manufacture, possession, sale or use of which should be prohibited by law except when required for medical or scientific research, or for analytical, teaching or training purposes with approval of Commonweath and/ or State or Territory Health Authorities.”

Basically this means that these substances are totally illegal. BZP was only included in the SUSDP a couple of years ago after concerns were raised about its effects and it being a “legal” party drug in NZ. http://www.tga.gov.au/ndpsc/record/rr200602.pdf

Hey Skidd Marx, honestly I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves as long as my taxes and insurance fees don’t pay for the ambulance, hospital and post addiction recovery costs.

PS You’re right, life is short – just ask River Phoenix, Bruce Lee, Sid Vicious, Heath Ledger, Tim Buckley, Janis Joplin, Anna Nicole Smith, etc etc etc etc. (oh and of course Anna Wood who was 15 years old or thereabouts)

Life’s short douchebags, experiment a lttle. The only people who knock drugs are the ones who’ve never tried them.

Seriously anyone who decides to injest pharmaceutical products made in someone’s garage deserves any outcome that occurs. It’s simple Darwinism.
If you want to take drugs either make or grow them yourself and at least invest some money in testing equipment so you know what you’re taking.

I once worked with a vegan who wouldn’t eat a carrot if she thought it had been sprayed with pesticide whilst being grown, yet on the weekends she would swallow just about any pill offered. Eventually she enjoyed a hospital admission after taking one of those pills. Of course that experience didn’t stop her pill popping lifestyle, but boy would she not eat GM foods. For all the education kids receive a lot of them seem to be getting dumber.

Don’t do drugs m’kay!

If this is what the batman pills do, I hate to see what the superman pills will do.

Those that take this crap deserve what they get.

BZP is what is sold around the place as “a natural herbal high”, I’m not exactly sure what the status is in Australia, I have seen them sold in shops which also sell things like bongs. However, it was until a couple of years ago a big, legal industry in NZ – it was common to see people outside clubs on Fri/Sat night selling them. However it got banned.

Peekz said :

I’d rather know there are a bad batch of pills going around as soon as possible and not know exactly what’s in them, than not know at all.

Well if it concerns you so much, DON’T DO DRUGS. It’s not like popping Eccies is good for you most of the time, and occasionally there is a batch which is bad for your health. Drugs of this type are always detrimental to your health, just in varying degrees.

I’d rather know there are a bad batch of pills going around as soon as possible and not know exactly what’s in them, than not know at all.

fnaah said :

Points for actually publishing a description *and* photograph: 100
Penalty for publishing it EIGHT MONTHS LATE: -1000

This is hardly “harm prevention”.

I suspect they may have been awaiting the ACTGAL results to definitively prove the substances before making this press release, which would have slowed things down.

And seriously, drug users should know they are taking a risk already. If you pop pills every weekend and DON’T seriously consider the risks, you sure as shit aren’t going to listen to press release. Maybe, I dunno, stop whinging about delays in press releases and stop taking drugs instead? You might live longer.

TFMPP is a serotonin receptor agonist, but apparently has an earth-shattering comedown which can last for upwards of a day.
Contibutor experiences on Erowid

BZP is a serotonin and dopamine receptor agonist, and apparently also acts as an amphetamine. Originally it was used as an anti-parasitic on cattle, and also messes with the balance of electrolytes in the blood. It also has a terrible comedown lasting a day or two.
Contributor experiences on Erowid

Together they apparently work like ecstasy when BNP and TFMPP combine, but deciding to run with some undocumented mixed-drug reactions and then go even further off-label and putting MDMA back in the mix is just asking for trouble if you hit the ER.

PS: Don’t let your dealer switch brands in a shortage unless you don’t mind occasional hospital\police drama. Take that as your opportunity to ease off some. 😛

Points for actually publishing a description *and* photograph: 100
Penalty for publishing it EIGHT MONTHS LATE: -1000

This is hardly “harm prevention”.

Anything else from 8 months ago they want to warn us about? Downturn in the economy, perhaps?