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Canberrans a Security Risk to World Youth Day

By Deano 17 April 2008 40

Countrylink train services between Canberra and Sydney during the World Youth Day activities in Sydney are going to be suspended for ‘security reasons’. Apparently organisers are worried about an evil plot by Canberra based atheist terrorists whose beliefs only allow them to travel on public transport.

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minime2 12:04 am 13 May 08

Crappers … I missed this whole discussion somehow. But I did like the bit about the Catholic elders STIFF-arming people. Hey, I just dangle ’em out there … up to you to catch them.

The train was the point though, right? Have to eat fish Friday; have to not catch a train Pope day. Easy. But you can CHOOSE everyday to continue to send your children into that place where they STIFF little kids year after year. And parents who can only eat fish Friday and wave to non-existant trains jus keep on keeping on in sending them into it. I suppose if it was good enough for dad….. May the Pope forgive you.

Hey, I can just see the giant Mexican wave at Pope Day when he asks: “Who here has been STIFF-armed?” But its ok; your parents sent you there.

imhotep 3:26 pm 19 Apr 08

Cities help to bankroll plenty of events on the basis that having a large number of visitors boosts the economy in the short and long term. (Olympics, Formula One, music festivals, even our own Summernats).

Most of these only appeal to a segment of society, yet the benefits are thought to outweigh the costs. Why is World Youth Day any different?

Having a horde of young god-botherers is preferable (in my mind) to having a horde of young hoons at Summernats, but I still contribute indirectly to both.

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GnT 3:03 pm 19 Apr 08

ant: did you mean “Non-catholics can’t go to World Catholic Day.”? Either you’re agreeing with me in that World Youth Day is open to anyone who wants to go, or you’re wrong.

illyria: They won’t disciminate against you if you want to join. But if you want to get married in a Catholic Church you have to agree to certain things.

illyria 10:51 am 19 Apr 08

No train, no buses, maybe the terrorists will have to resort to recumbent bicycles. They could work, after all, they’re really hard to spot. Helps with the whole covert sneakiness thing 😉

Deano 10:40 am 19 Apr 08

To add a touch of irony, the CT today reports that thousands of pilgrims will be staying in Canberra before the shindig and will be bussed to Sydney for the main event. At 25 coaches per thousand passengers, you won’t be able to get a bus to Sydney either.

illyria 9:54 am 19 Apr 08

What the? I have just been moderated. Bloody Catholics!

illyria 9:51 am 19 Apr 08

GnT, Christian Churches definitely do discriminate. Try marrying a non-Catholic in a Catholic Church if they do not agree to “live according to the laws of Christ and his Church and to accept children lovingly from God and bring them up according to the laws of Christ and his Church”, or try marrying a divorcee in a Catholic Church….there are many and varied examples of this.

TimberWolf, Catholics definitely do not doorknock. I think you will find that those are usually the Mormons (young men in suits) and the Jehovah’s Witnesses (Women in pairs often with children following them around and copies of the latest WatchTower Magazine).

I describe myself warmly as a “collapsed” catholic, coming from a long line of irish catholics with all the usual skeletons in the closet, however, doorknocking is not one of them.

In my experience, the best way of dealing with the god botherers is to open the door and state very clearly “I don’t believe in God…. now f*ck off”.

I agree with everybody else on this thread who thinks that this big catholic shindig is a gross waste of public money.

ant 9:02 am 19 Apr 08

GnT said :

Floriade excludes people who don’t like flowers; sporting events exclude people who don’t like sport. You can go along to WYD if you’re not a Catholic – they won’t be asking for your membership card at the door.

This argument doesn’t work, I’m afraid. People who don’t like flowers can still go to floriade. People who don’t like sport can still attend a sporting event. Non-catholics can go to World Catholic Day.

Timberwolf65 8:49 am 19 Apr 08

Speak of the devil, I just went out to have a smoke after my last post and who happens to be walking down the street…. bloody bible bashers.
Why do they have to go in search of new followers, do they not have enough??

Timberwolf65 8:45 am 19 Apr 08

justbands said :

The other things you mentioned though GnT (sporting events, Floriade & the like) are generally seen as things all people in the community can be a part of (even if just as a spectator, & of course not everbody is interested). A Catholic event is, well, for Catholics. Isn’t that discriminatory in itself?

I’ve got major issues with my tax dollars helping to fund an event being put on by one of the (if not THE) wealthiest organisations in the world (& don’t get me started on their kiddie fiddling tendancies, any other organisation would have been forcibly closed down worldwide were they to have been as bad in that regard as the Catholic church…but ’cause they’re a reigion we have to somehow excuse them & “let them deal with it themselves”. Pfffttt to that!).

My thoughts exactly… Catholic is the only religion that come to your home and try and force it on you, they should leave people alone and let people go to them, if they choose to..
You don’t see “children” of “satan” going door knocking forcing their religion down peoples throats!!!!!

GnT 3:36 pm 18 Apr 08

Floriade excludes people who don’t like flowers; sporting events exclude people who don’t like sport. You can go along to WYD if you’re not a Catholic – they won’t be asking for your membership card at the door. I’m sure there’ll be quite a few non-Catholics interested in the spectacle, seeing the Pope or even the religious side though they themselves may not be Catholic. (Besides which, Christian churches don’t discriminate against anyone wanting to join).

Deano, I actually agree with you re the actual or realised economic benefits. But let’s base our opinions and decisions on tax-payer contibutions on economics, or other benefits to the community, rather than religion.

justbands 3:04 pm 18 Apr 08

The other things you mentioned though GnT (sporting events, Floriade & the like) are generally seen as things all people in the community can be a part of (even if just as a spectator, & of course not everbody is interested). A Catholic event is, well, for Catholics. Isn’t that discriminatory in itself?

I’ve got major issues with my tax dollars helping to fund an event being put on by one of the (if not THE) wealthiest organisations in the world (& don’t get me started on their kiddie fiddling tendancies, any other organisation would have been forcibly closed down worldwide were they to have been as bad in that regard as the Catholic church…but ’cause they’re a reigion we have to somehow excuse them & “let them deal with it themselves”. Pfffttt to that!).

Deano 3:00 pm 18 Apr 08

GnT said :

They are supporting a large gathering of people who will contribute to the economy

Except that next year, when the event is held somewhere else, there will be a drain on our economy, and the year after that and the year after that…. Its a zero sum game in the long run.

GnT said :

, just like the Olympics and torch relay, Floriade, Pacific School Games, other sporting events, balloon festival, Rotary conventions, conferences for many varied organisations etc.

There has been no conclusive proof that major events make any significant net positive contribution to the local economy. In fact, there is evidence to the contrary as the reviews into the GMC300 and the Melbourne F1 have found out.

GnT 2:45 pm 18 Apr 08

In this case, your tax dollars aren’t helping people practise their faith. They are supporting a large gathering of people who will contribute to the economy, just like the Olympics and torch relay, Floriade, Pacific School Games, other sporting events, balloon festival, Rotary conventions, conferences for many varied organisations etc. By excluding an organisation because they are a religious group, you are being discriminatory.

Thumper 2:44 pm 18 Apr 08

Soory, singled Rudd out because he’s the guy in charge these days….

yes, JWH was linked to the breathren weirdos…

Thumper 2:43 pm 18 Apr 08

Actually, Howard, Rudd, whomever, all have to placate religious groups to a degree as they all vote.

A bit like Iemma and his lakemba mosque connection…

RuffnReady 1:40 pm 18 Apr 08

GnT – sure, practice your faith, but why do my tax dollars have to help you do so? Churches are already tax exempt, pay for your own meetings!

Thumper – yes, we knew Rudd was a Christian, but why single him out? Both major political parties kowtow to the religious right. Hell, Howard was intimately linked to those dodgy f#ckers The Exclusive Brethren. Here’s a book about the Libs’ links to the religious right: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/02/23/1109046981178.html

Pot Holes 10:37 am 18 Apr 08

Or maybe the njust need the carriages in Sydney!!!

ant 10:06 am 18 Apr 08

I’m sure that, when the Grand Mufti of Mecca decides to hold a World Islamic Knees-Up in Sydney, the government will be most happy and shovel over lots of money for that, too. All they have to do is say they’re Working Families and bingo, free money.

Thumper 9:29 am 18 Apr 08

Yeah Booma, you’re right.

But we still shouldn’t pay for it.

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