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150,000+ buyers nationally – Tuggy Power Station meeting

Joe Canberran 30 April 2008 53

In what appears to be it’s first real post (id#3 but it seems to be the only one up at the moment) the new Canberra website,, a site that intends to “attempt to document (on the public record) issues of concern to the community in the lead up to the ACT Election in 2008”, has posted video footage (here) of “the Tuggeranong Community Council held a special public meeting to discuss the proposed development of a Major Utility Installation and Communications Facility at Block 1671 Tuggeranong District (Mugga Lane, Opposite the Mugga Landfill site). The project proposed ActewAGL, Technical Real Estate and Galileo Connect” held two days ago on April 28. The footage is of the first half hour of the meeting so I suspect it’s only for the really keen but I’m interested in the concept.

The site also states: “As this site evolves, commenting will be enabled. However unlike most other blog sites which allow anonymous commenting, all registered commenters on the site will need to be verified and will be identified by name and suburb when they lodge a comment. The rationale behind this is that opinions are important, but individuals must be prepared to stand on the public record behind the opinions they have expressed.”

The flamewars and vitriol of RiotACT to much for them perhaps?

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53 Responses to – Tuggy Power Station meeting
a340 a340 12:24 pm 09 Mar 09

Everyone how disagrees with the power plant are ignorant because gas power plants are amongst the cleanest fossil fuels available the power plant turbines are very similar to those found on jets but use gas instead on harmful Jet A fuels.

I live in Theodore which is 3km away from the site.

tafster tafster 12:51 pm 23 May 08

There are 3 fundamental issues with this power station and data centre.
1. Noise
2. Air quality
3. Property values
The key to this whole problem is the total incompetence of the ACT planning authority. How is it that I get notification that a neighbour is increasing his deck size by a few feet but they neglect to tell us that a massive power station and data centre is proposed 600m away.
The info provide by ACTEWAGL in the DA (available by poring over the ACTPLA website for an extended period) indicates that modeling of the noise produces a level about 1db below the allowable urban limit. How can modeling be that accurate. It can’t and there is a disclaimer to that effect. The air quality issue arises because the modeling of the emissions is based on wind data from the Canberra Airport and it’s well known that wind and temperature varies enormously from the Airport to other areas in Canberra. At the meetings, ACTEWAGL have been saying that the prevailing winds will not take fumes toward Macarthur but as we already get odour from the Mugga Lane landfill, it sort of suggests that winds WILL bring fumes to Macarthur. Especially as the exhaust stacks (35mtrs high) expel very close to the level of the houses along Jackie Howe Crescent.
At no time has there been any indication as to what air and noise monitoring will take place IN the Macarthur area. Just that some monitoring will take place at the site.
Also, the noise level from the site will at a level that requires a 10mtr acoustic barrier at a building located closer to the power station.

sepi sepi 10:27 pm 13 May 08

Property values only matter to the small percentage of people planning to sell up soon.

Most people are concerned about the noise and polluted air because they are/were planning to stay there for a long time to come.

I don’t live anywhere near there, and I’m concerned because this govt seems to do what they live, and whatever developers want, at the expense of residents. Pick on macarthur now, but your suburb could be next for their next hare-brained scheme.

apathetic apathetic 10:13 pm 13 May 08

Oh and by the way zig, if you’re a public servant like many people in Canberra, I don’t think spouting your extremist views by posting throughout the working day on this forum are an efficient or effective use of public monies.

apathetic apathetic 10:04 pm 13 May 08

Lets face it the only reason why there is soo much concern on this development is the impact on property values in the area surrounding. Health concerns, closeness yada yada, this real reason so many people oppose it is because the value of their houses is sure to fall.

It is just unfortunate, development has to happen somewhere, why not here?

zig zig 2:54 pm 03 May 08

Yeah seems that way Spidey.

LOL Woody, thanks for the laugh at your diatribe/whinge. You must have a mighty e-penis.

At the end of the day there is no point arguing with keyboard commandos like Woody on the internet.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that the power plant just doesn’t belong so close to homes? A few more kilometres east/south east and it will be in Hume.

Spideydog Spideydog 2:37 pm 03 May 08

Spideydog said :

Can any of you people that are happy for it to be placed at/near Macarthur, please tell us why? Why would you support something that could be placed somewhere in an “real” industrial area and not upset anyone (well, almost no one)

I’m not saying you are wrong, I was interested in the opinions?

Nobody wishes to field this one ????

ant ant 4:53 pm 02 May 08

Actually, I’d be interested why too. This has come up a few times in the past, a group of people who are to be adversley affected by something speak up about it, and people who aren’t affected become quite excited and want the thing to go ahead. Even when there’s plenty of alternatives. I don’t get it.

Spideydog Spideydog 3:34 pm 02 May 08

Can any of you people that are happy for it to be placed at/near Macarthur, please tell us why? Why would you support something that could be placed somewhere in an “real” industrial area and not upset anyone (well, almost no one)

I’m not saying you are wrong, I was interested in the opinions?

NathanaelB NathanaelB 2:58 pm 02 May 08

Nicely articulated

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 2:50 pm 02 May 08

Care to explain?

Sure. You automatically characterised a person who disagreed with you – well, let’s be more accurate here, a person who posted a silly parody – as wealthy, and somehow unqualified to comment because you imagine them living away from the station (as I understand you do).

In doing so, you adopted a number of extreme positions, including that:

– people who support the plant are ‘ridiculous’; and
– that Yarralumla is peopled by elitists and parasites.

These views have no foundation in reality, are stated as absolute and axiomatic truths, and were espoused to further a political or philosophical viewpoint. Therefore, you are an extremist: one who is disposed to go to the extreme, or who holds extreme opinions, a person who has a tendency to be extreme, or a disposition to go to extremes.

Or perhaps you think you need to be wearing a burka and carrying an AK47 to be an extremist? But of course you don’t – you just need have a mindless zeal, a talent for spewing dogma, the ability TO USE THE CAPS LOCK KEY, a propensity for saying things like “I’m no expert, but…” and a mindset that lets you insist that things hundreds of metres apart and on opposite sides of a hill are “right next to” each other.

CanberraMan CanberraMan 2:21 pm 02 May 08

Natural gas… if I’m not mistaken it is the same stuff we cook with and the stuff they are using in Action buses now to reduce the emmissions from burning petrol or diesal.

Mælinar Mælinar 1:21 pm 02 May 08

I reiterate, if they put it 600m from my house, nobody but the hippies down at Strathnairn would hear it, and they’re all… well, not listening anyway…


Happy Zig et-al ?

zig zig 1:03 pm 02 May 08


Extremist? How are my views extremist? Care to explain?

The power plant is clearly needed and the co-location of the data centre makes sense.

I am not against the power plant itself just it’s location!

I’ll say it again just so your thick head can fathom what I am saying.


It belongs in an industrial zone. Geeze it seems you are just out to fan the flames with that ridiculous power ranger song(yes it was mildly amusing).

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 12:06 pm 02 May 08

Oh, for sure. I mean, I disagree with your extremist, ill-informed views, so I must live far away from the power station site and be fabulously wealthy.

Or I could live in one of the suburbs adjacent to Macarthur, think that something that can provide baseload power and is cleaner than coal is a good idea even if it’s not perfect, and know enough about physics and chemistry to know spastic scaremongering when I see it.

zig zig 10:53 am 02 May 08

haha Woody.

You must be one of those urban elitist parasites from Yarralumla.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 10:09 am 02 May 08

./~ Go go, Power Station!
Mighty Macarthur Power Station!
Stronger than before!
Powered up for more!
Macarthur at the core!
Shift into turbo!
Mighty engines roar!
Turbo charged for more!
NO2 for all!

zig zig 9:32 am 02 May 08

I think it’s ridiculous that people are in favour of this site for the power plant.

It’s obvious that they don’t live in Macarthur.

I wonder if their attitude would be different if the power plant was going to be 600 metres from their homes.

Pandy Pandy 8:31 am 02 May 08

Noise Levels: The worst effected residents (not the treatment facility) at Macarthur will recieve around 32dbA of noise at their boundaries. That is like placing a Fujitsu airconditioner outdoor unit like the AST7LMACW around 2 metres from the boundary. That drone will occur all night.

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