Cyclists and zebra crossings?

Gungahlin Al 22 May 2009 74

What is it about some cyclists in this town that they don’t understand the laws around zebra crossings?

Just one trip got me two cyclists charging across zebra crossings in front of me today, risking their skins on my reactions.

So let’s just get something straight here – if you have wheels under you, it’s a vehicle, and therefore you are not a pedestrian.

Sorry for the Friday bleat.


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Terrencial Terrencial 8:12 am 11 Nov 09

i agree with
Thumper said :

Totally agree Al.

However, I have no problem with cyclists riding across zebra crossings as long as they slow down to walking pace and have a look.

But as a cyclist myself i personally always get off my bike, wait till a green
light then try to avoid pedestrians ( while walking with my bike) but still try to get to the other side of the road before the red light go’s again.
Plus if i do (by accident) hit some one even the slightest bit i turn around and say sorry.

But i think the main problem is that everyone has to hurry across the street
and why (well i think everyone knows the answer) because we have to beat the red light or drivers generally start yelling.

so i think that to reduce the number of cyclists riding on the road we should push to make the time for pedestrians to actually cross the road!!

this would make it easier for cyclists that walk the zebra crossing to get to the other side without being yelled at, which in turn will encourage more people to do it instead of riding through.

Sure cars will have to wait a little bit longer but it really wont make that mush of a difference.

also by making the time slightly longer hopefully more people will walk which will in turn help the environment too and if that happens then there will be less cars on the road so the people on the road wont (or shouldn’t) be as impatient.

sooooooooooooo… Pedestrians WIN+ Cyclists WIN + Drivers WIN
= WIN WIN WIN
by the way guess how old i am
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
well no im not that old im only 13 (well almost 14 in a couple of months or so)

Well thanks for reading

That was my opinion anyway 🙂
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Fishbat Fishbat 9:32 pm 24 May 09

I remenber when my grandmother tried to cross a cycle path in front of a marauding pack of marathon runners in training – the poor dear nearly wore out the rubber feet of her zimmer frame! She certainly was not appreciative when we explained to her that she may have been at fault and could have waited for the half dozen or so to pass by before crossing. She sobbed untill half way through her second cup of chamomile tea… either way, these fools should be made known so that I can write to the blighters.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 6:54 pm 24 May 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Ultimately, the responsibility for not being a moron needs to fall to the cyclist, because they are the one with the most to lose.

Regardless of who’s at fault, if you smack into my car at speed, you’re the one getting scraped off the road. Accept that and were all good.

And I say this as a semi-regular cyclist myself.

Troof!

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 6:42 pm 24 May 09

Ultimately, the responsibility for not being a moron needs to fall to the cyclist, because they are the one with the most to lose.

Regardless of who’s at fault, if you smack into my car at speed, you’re the one getting scraped off the road. Accept that and were all good.

And I say this as a semi-regular cyclist myself.

Punter Punter 2:15 pm 24 May 09

Sorry Deckard, as long as there’s discussion about the safety of road users I’ll continue to post my opinion. I hope you, as a cyclist, appreciate I don’t have an ‘us versus them’ attitude toward cyclists, I direct my comment toward those who choose to place themselves in harms way. I have the same attitude toward motorists and pedestrians too. There are bad apples in every one of those barrels.

Deckard Deckard 1:45 pm 24 May 09

Get over it guys!!

Punter Punter 1:39 pm 24 May 09

Ant, cyclists who choose to do this will only do it until they are put off the road temporarily or even permanently after they are struck by a vehicle, and they will have a very weak claim for compensation. Unfortunately some people won’t realise the cost until after the event. A harsh way to learn.

ant ant 10:59 am 24 May 09

Why do cyclists feel that they have the right to ride across pedestrian crossings? They claim the right to use the road as vehicles, so how does it then follow that they can ride across zebra crossings and have cars stop for them?

Punter Punter 12:30 am 24 May 09

Kramer, I don’t know if your comment is made tongue in cheek but I suspect you’ll be needing the replacement undies the next time you dart onto the crossing and not hear the sound of replacement tyres. Not all vehicles are prepared to stop, please be careful. Besides, if you’re shooting across the crossing at such speed, how are you going to be able to read the “LOOK” markings painted on the road? It’s a matter of time before a pedestrian steps onto the road and into a car looking down at the sign rather than looking for oncomming traffic, if it hasn’t happened already.

Gardening Girl, I believe a large number of first time drivers, who are still teenagers lack the maturity neccessary to operate a motor vehicle safely on our roads. It’s like a sort of peter pan mentality not wanting to grow up. They have the attitude that they are the best driver on the road. That being a good driver involves the ability to ‘handle’ a car at higher speed through corners rather than simply being aware of other vehicles and driving to the conditions etc. I share your concern.

Kramer Kramer 8:41 pm 23 May 09

I’ll continue to ride quickly up to zebra crossings, do a quick head check, and then dart between the cars at speed, leaving the sound of a driver preparing for replacement tyres, brake pads, and undies behind me ;-D

monomania monomania 6:07 pm 23 May 09

Fishbat said :

I have just finished welding the fishing rod holders onto my bull bar and I will not be paying to much attention for non conformists at pedestrian crossings…

It is about time the road safety community took the modification of vehicles that is the addition of a bullbar seriously. Few vehicles fitted with bullbars would meet the crash test standards they meet in their unmodified form. And that applies to meeting adequate standards relating to collisions with pedestrians and cyclists. Vehicles with them are a menace on the roads and have caused unnecesssary deaths and increased the severity of injury. Your comment just indicates what a tw*t you are. Both a and i fit.

GardeningGirl GardeningGirl 2:27 pm 23 May 09

How I read it is

Blingerific said :

I just pick a line and ride around the pedestrian and really don’t care if the poor little petal gets frightened and thinks terrorists are skydiving out of stealth helicopters to strangle their precious Sookums…

and no mention of slowing down, which could be a description of our recent close call. And this only minutes after our perfectly pleasant encounter with the other cyclist, who in fact didn’t need to slow down much but was considerate enough to give an appropriate amount of warning. Is showing consideration for others really that hard? Alright, now I’m just getting repetitive . . .

Getting back on topic, ie crossings, I once had a nasty close call at the school crossing. I had stopped to let some kids cross and as I started to move forward a boy came flying up the gutter and around my bumper bar onto the crossing. Such a lack of comprehension of blind spots and reaction times in someone who looked only a year or two away from getting his L’s was worrying. He seemed to enjoy his “power”, not realising that while I might be at risk of being charged with killing a schoolkid, he was at risk of not living to tell the tale! I’ve seen the same attitude in kids from that school walking at the nearby shops, they step off the kerb at random spots with cars approaching, just because they “know they can”, with smug looks on their faces. Sigh . . . courtesy and consideration . . .

Fishbat Fishbat 10:35 am 23 May 09

Blingerific
If I wanted to hone my automotive racing skills & endurance, I’d use a dedictated legal facility and pay for it…

Postalgeek Postalgeek 10:33 am 23 May 09

Before they try to slip under the radar, elderly people on scooters and people in wheelchairs also take liberties with pedestrian crossings. It’s outrageous. Some of those scooters really fang it when it comes to crossings. I’ve almost been hit several times by blue-rinse winternats menances. Pedestrian crossings are about heels, not wheels.

Blingerific Blingerific 9:48 am 23 May 09

Garden Girl
How is punishing the rest of us for the ungrateful response of a few justified? C’mon everyone, WHY is it so difficult for us ALL to show some consideration towards each other?????

I do not “punish” pedestrians, I slow down and take a wide berth. If we ride on the shared paths, we get abused, if we ride on the road we get abused, so yeah, there’s a reason many cyclists get their backs up so easily. And to ride at any decent speed, which is required to get endurance or fitness for racing (or indeed just being able to go for a good fun ride) then we have no choice but to use the road because on the shared path it’s outright dangerous, because of mum, dad, aunty Dot and the budgie out walking but also because of the absolute pathetic state the paths are maintained in.

Punter
I see the TAMS website states cyclists are permitted to use footpaths in the ACT however I can’t find any legislation to support their policy.

If you have time to read through each of the 2068 pieces of Legislation that return a result then go for it. However the NRR, to which the ACT is a signatory in full, do not preclude the option for it being legal as stated in the foreword “All governments have the ability to retain some flexibility in amending the national rules to better match local conditions, but this is not expected to detract significantly from the seamless operation of road rules across Australia.”

Holden
Haha, the best part about this post is I’m pretty sure we’re expected to take it seriously.

Whether you do have that ability or not is of no real concern of mine.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 11:10 pm 22 May 09

Blingerific said :

As a cyclist I’d appreciate it if you reviewed your post. They are not cyclists, they are people on bikes. A cyclist wouldn’t be on the footpath to start with, we have more respect for our sport. And yes, we are few and far between.

Haha, the best part about this post is I’m pretty sure we’re expected to take it seriously.

Fishbat Fishbat 11:00 pm 22 May 09

I have just finished welding the fishing rod holders onto my bull bar and I will not be paying to much attention for non conformists at pedestrian crossings…

GardeningGirl GardeningGirl 10:51 pm 22 May 09

Blingerific said :

Unlucky for you Sloth Lord of the North that you are on of those who get angry when a cyclist announces their presence rather than riding past you unannounced. I’ve tried letting people I know I’m there either with a bell, a simple “excuses me” “on your left or right” or “cyclist” and have copped more abuse than I care to recall.

So in response to that behavior by pedestrians, if I am, for whatever strange reason, riding on the shared path where I have no rights, as opposed to the road where cyclists have very defined rights, I just pick a line and ride around the pedestrian and really don’t care if the poor little petal gets frightened and thinks terrorists are skydiving out of stealth helicopters to strangle their precious Sookums…

How is punishing the rest of us for the ungrateful response of a few justified? C’mon everyone, WHY is it so difficult for us ALL to show some consideration towards each other?????

bd84 bd84 10:46 pm 22 May 09

I have no problems with cyclists riding across zebra crossings, as long as they slow, look and make their intention to cross clear. As a driver I will always slow for zebra crossings (yes you’re supposed to be ready to stop). Though as a pedestrian using a zebra crossing you’re playing roulette with people who don’t pay enough attention or don’t care. I’ve also found that cyclists and motorcyclists are just as bad at failing to give way at the crossings, because they think just because they’re small enough to swerve past the person crossing.

Hopefully one day they will do something about some of the zebra crossings in the City particularly Moore St and West Row where someone with no brain decided it would be smart to put them within 2 metres of an intersection, thereby creating gridlock and accidents. I think Moore/West Row and Allinga St was “upgraded” as part of the blackspots programme a few years ago..

Punter Punter 9:52 pm 22 May 09

Canberra is subject to the same rules for cyclists as NSW. Cyclists aren’t permitted to ride on dedicated footpaths. Niftydog, I see the TAMS website states cyclists are permitted to use footpaths in the ACT however I can’t find any legislation to support their policy. This won’t be the first time their ‘policies have let them down in the face of legislation. If it came down to a legal arguement legislation overides any policy any day of the week. TAMS may have something to answer in tht case.

From Mum, Dad and the kids to athletes in training, cyclists are a part of everyday life. I support dedicated cycle paths seperated from vehicle traffic by more than a painted line in the interest of safety. Until this happens I personally don’t mind cyclists using footpaths providing they give way to pedestrians. And Blingerific, cyclists are just that, whether they be people on bike or athletes. I respect the difference however I believe if an athlete were dedicated to training they may choose a safer more appropriate place to train or realise they are amoung all other traffic using the roads and relevant paths and tow the line like all others are required to.

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