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Do you expect police to prevent crime, or just watch?

By IrishPete 18 May 2013 43

The CT reports that police watched a house being burgled and did not intervene. No doubt they will say there was some bigger picture, but this may be little consolation to the cancer patient and their family, whose circumstances were used to tug at our heart strings.

When you can’t rely on police to protect your house, maybe it IS time to get that vicious neighbour-eating Rotty, or a shotty booby trap.


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vet111 1:49 pm 20 May 13

IrishPete said :

Ah, debate…


And I still think animal-hoarding is wrong.


Even after it was proved that your initial allegation of animal hoarding was, in fact, grossly mistaken?

You’re a real class act…

IrishPete 1:42 pm 20 May 13

Ah, debate…

So an 18yo driving off in a stolen car presents no risk to anyone? Really? There’s some straw-clutching going on to justify indefensible positions. That no-one got physically hurt does not mean there was not a substantial risk of such. The analogy to the drink-driving scenario is actually extremely close; the driver of the stolen car may have been drunk or high (for a bit of Dutch Courage), as someone else has suggested in an attempt to justify police not apprehending them on the premises.

And someone has been mentally hurt by being burgled, and their car being stolen, but I repeat, this seems not be of concern to many other people commenting here.

Police regularly charge people with “going equipped for burglary” (or similar charge). If the police had apprehended these guys knocking on a door (which seems to be the only point that anyone thinks they could have intervened, which isn’t necessarily true), might they not have got them on that charge? It seems more likely that the police were holding out for a slam-dunk on a more serious charge, and in the process they undertook a risk assessment, a cost-benefit analysis, which I disagree with. Their decision to hold out might have been influenced by not wanting to have surveillance officers or vehicles or methods identified, and in the process they have given less weight to the victims’ experience than I believe is acceptable. If the police did this in relation to my house, I can assure you there would be consequences.

We can all monitor this case to see who turns out to have been right – I remain confident. I predict the burglary charge will be dropped (or plea-bargained away) due to weak evidence, and the outcome of the case will be guilty pleas to stealing a car (one of them, probably not both) and possession of stolen property, receiving a Good Behaviour Order, Suspended prison sentence or Periodic Detention, the only full-time imprisonment being that currently being served on remand. (The offenders’ age works in my favour, as often their juvenile record is not given a lot weight in adult sentencing, and they’re too young to have much adult criminal record.) Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen.

And I still think animal-hoarding is wrong.


Blen_Carmichael 12:49 pm 20 May 13

IrishPete said :

Analogy (or straw man for the cynics amongst you):

I apologise for introducing rigorous, informed and intelligent analysis to the RiotACT, but will continue to do so in the hope that at least someone reading has the capacity to learn.


No, please, don’t apologise. We sit before you, eagerly awaiting the opportunity to catch one of your pearls of wisdom.

Years ago – on another local blog – I remember someone else who would, without exception, bag the police whenever the opportunity came. He was a criminologist, as I recall, and once declared to all and sundry that he knew more about policing than most police. I think he thought that in a past life he must have been Sir Robert Peel. He got very petulant and antsy when someone pointed out the errors in his argument.

He too was an Irishman by the name of Peter. Fancy that.

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