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NT brutality fracturing the jigsaw of Australia

By John Hargreaves 1 August 2016 26

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Those images of kids being brutalised in the NT on Four Corners reflect the mindset of some of those entrusted with the care of juvenile offenders and those on remand.

We closed the Quamby centre in Symonston for one very good reason. Juvenile offenders should not be treated in the same manner as adult offenders.

Rehabilitation and restoration of offenders requires different approaches for adults, juveniles, males and females. Adults have their social standards, their attitude towards right and wrong, their ethics already fully formed. The understanding of consequence is complete. Adults have a fully formed thinking and decision making organ – the brain.

Juveniles do not have a fully formed brain and their standards, ethics, attitudes towards right and wrong, their notions of consequence are not fully developed.

In essence, society must often desocialise serial adult offenders and resocialise them. That is, to remove their developed understandings of how things are and replace them with another understanding, that of the wider community. How things should be.

However, with juveniles, as their development is not complete, it is possible to change their direction without the complete desocialisation process.

Many juveniles are victims of poor family relationships, some have suffered abuse, some have been exposed to poor citizenship examples, often outright criminality. All of them suffer diminished self-esteem.

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I need to laud the work of Duncan Smith of the Wiradjuri Echoes. Duncan got an OAM for his services to indigenous youth here in Canberra but few know of his work. He is concerned that the young blokes follow the footsteps of their elders. Now if the elders are engaged in anti-social or criminal behaviour, the young fellows will follow. Duncan is attacking the notion of a jail sentence being a rite of passage for young indigenous boys by providing a mentoring system based on positive community involvement and service. In short his main aim is to install self-belief, restore and encourage self-esteem and separate the young people from the fictional heroic notion of anti-social and criminal behaviour. He is giving them a reason not to use drugs, to believe in themselves.

He is changing the direction of these young people, not locking them up.

When I visited the jail in Darwin and Alice Springs, when on a committee considering a jail for the ACT, I was told that there were three generations of indigenous men in the prisons there. This did not include the juvenile system which I didn’t visit.

It is also academically accepted that for rehabilitation programs to work, the way people absorb information must be applied. Women respond to suggestions for change in a group session, surrounded by support. Men respond better on a one-on-one basis with someone that they respect and that they like/love and that they don’t want to upset. In essence, they seek individual support and respect.

The ACT went through the soul-searching when Quamby closed and Bimberi opened. Changes were made not only to the programs and facilities but also the philosophy of behaviour change.

Bimberi

What we saw in the NT program is disgusting, brutal, racist and most of all, what we saw enhanced our belief that the system in the NT will entrench the notion of rite of passage, will entrench the diminution of self-esteem in indigenous youth, increase the level of anger and ensure that the lives of those young ones are cut short, often by their own hands.

On top of it all, the treatment of young men with such overt brutality should make us all sick. When three large men attack a teenager in a cell, and brutalise that young person, physically and psychologically, there can only be one outcome. Disaster.

Those men should be dealt with using the full extent of the law and they should be incarcerated for long periods. But I wonder if the attitude of the corrections officers, indeed the juvenile justice system, can be changed. I doubt it when the system applies the same approach to juveniles as adults.

Royal Commissions are usually blame games but often throw up recommendations for change. The Royal Commission into Black Deaths in Custody made hundreds of recommendations and to a large extent, notice was taken of those recommendations. One can see only too easily though, that the NT system completely ignored all of them.

What part of a big armed white guy, with complete authority, brutalising a defenceless teenager is a good idea? What part of a group of big, armed white, guys with complete authority, brutalising a lone, defenceless teenager, is acceptable to any one of us?

What has to happen before people understand that teenagers need help not brutality? They need compassion, encouragement, positive mentoring, esteem building and expressions lifting their notion of self-worth.

To deny this to young people because they are indigenous is disgusting to the nth!

Each one of these kids represent a piece the jigsaw of Australia. When complete, that jigsaw is priceless. Take one piece away, because that kid took his/her own life, and the jigsaw has a hole in it and is worthless.


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dungfungus 8:50 am 10 Aug 16

JC said :

Oh no, this outrageous behaviour of restraining violent people is spreading world wide. An individual who was abusing and punching flight crew has been strapped to his chair on a flight overseas.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1575083/shocking-moment-ranting-airline-passenger-is-strapped-into-his-seat-after-hitting-flight-attendant-in-drunken-mid-air-rampage/

What makes these flight attendants and other passengers think they have the right to act like this to protect their own safety?

I’m outraged.

Four Corners will be right onto this.

No_Nose 11:23 pm 09 Aug 16

Oh no, this outrageous behaviour of restraining violent people is spreading world wide. An individual who was abusing and punching flight crew has been strapped to his chair on a flight overseas.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1575083/shocking-moment-ranting-airline-passenger-is-strapped-into-his-seat-after-hitting-flight-attendant-in-drunken-mid-air-rampage/

What makes these flight attendants and other passengers think they have the right to act like this to protect their own safety? I’m outraged.

dungfungus 6:06 pm 08 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

I can’t believe some of the racist, no-neck disgusting comments appearing in this post. The object of the OP was to draw attention tot he different ways of dealing with offenders and drawing readers’ attention to the misuse of the adult approach to corrections being applied to juveniles.

To suggest that he prison officers were the victims in this appalling display of abuse of power left me speechless. to say that: ” Poor guys, I am disgusted at the vilification these guards are being subjected to through no fault of their own” beggars belief!

For the information of some who know little of corrections processes, spit hoods are not common practised in Australia. In fact, in all my time a corrections minister, I know of only one prison where it has been used – Abu Ghraib.

To devans1156, I say: hear hear!

The nation was appalled, so why weren’t the posters of comments here?

Well, the nation includes everyone and at least three on this thread are not appalled so you are again wrong, John.

Acton 4:40 pm 08 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

I can’t believe some of the racist, no-neck disgusting comments appearing in this post. The object of the OP was to draw attention tot he different ways of dealing with offenders and drawing readers’ attention to the misuse of the adult approach to corrections being applied to juveniles.

To suggest that he prison officers were the victims in this appalling display of abuse of power left me speechless. to say that: ” Poor guys, I am disgusted at the vilification these guards are being subjected to through no fault of their own” beggars belief!

For the information of some who know little of corrections processes, spit hoods are not common practised in Australia. In fact, in all my time a corrections minister, I know of only one prison where it has been used – Abu Ghraib.

To devans1156, I say: hear hear!

The nation was appalled, so why weren’t the posters of comments here?

The 2014 court case found that the use of force against the youth in the centre was lawful, the duration of the force was not excessive and the level of the force applied was reasonable.
Lawful.
Not excessive.
Reasonable.
It is there to read for all who prefer to form their opinions upon facts and not upon biased and sensationalist (that which ignores or distorts facts) media reporting. Good judgement depends on experience, knowledge and consideration of facts. Good judgement is thwarted by emotive reactions.

With regard to the accusation of “…racist, no-neck disgusting comments…”, it was once said that the last refuge of a scoundrel was an appeal to patriotism. Now it is to accuse a detractor of racism. But to find comments of such ilk one needs to look no further than within the opinion piece:

“What part of a big armed white guy, with complete authority, brutalising a defenceless teenager …”
“What part of a group of big, armed white, guys …”

The race of the guards is irrelevant and indeterminate. Their reactions were to behaviour, not to race. And if the perpetrator of the behaviour is not indigenous, how then is race a factor?

Imagine you were the guard. What would you have done as the guard dealing with a person (of whatever complexion) spitting, screaming obscenities and attempting to inflict extreme violence on yourself and himself. What did occur was rigorously examined and found by a court to be lawful, reasonable and not excessive. Facts are reality. Bias produces delusion.

dungfungus 11:14 am 08 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

I can’t believe some of the racist, no-neck disgusting comments appearing in this post. The object of the OP was to draw attention tot he different ways of dealing with offenders and drawing readers’ attention to the misuse of the adult approach to corrections being applied to juveniles.

To suggest that he prison officers were the victims in this appalling display of abuse of power left me speechless. to say that: ” Poor guys, I am disgusted at the vilification these guards are being subjected to through no fault of their own” beggars belief!

For the information of some who know little of corrections processes, spit hoods are not common practised in Australia. In fact, in all my time a corrections minister, I know of only one prison where it has been used – Abu Ghraib.

To devans1156, I say: hear hear!

The nation was appalled, so why weren’t the posters of comments here?

Spit hoods are available for use in the City Watchhouse.
From a CT article May 16 2015 “Cells for high-risk visitors have padded walls that are torn and covered with explicit graffiti. Drawers filled with spit hoods, gas masks and soft restraints signal the challenges regularly posed by violent detainees.”

Call me a little old fashioned but I do believe you should be able to do your work without being spat upon.

I hope you sent a CC of this post to ABC Four Corners and the general Twitter-sphere.
It is more evidence what a huge beat-up this story has been.

MERC600 10:58 am 08 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

I can’t believe some of the racist, no-neck disgusting comments appearing in this post. The object of the OP was to draw attention tot he different ways of dealing with offenders and drawing readers’ attention to the misuse of the adult approach to corrections being applied to juveniles.

To suggest that he prison officers were the victims in this appalling display of abuse of power left me speechless. to say that: ” Poor guys, I am disgusted at the vilification these guards are being subjected to through no fault of their own” beggars belief!

For the information of some who know little of corrections processes, spit hoods are not common practised in Australia. In fact, in all my time a corrections minister, I know of only one prison where it has been used – Abu Ghraib.

To devans1156, I say: hear hear!

The nation was appalled, so why weren’t the posters of comments here?

Spit hoods are available for use in the City Watchhouse.
From a CT article May 16 2015 “Cells for high-risk visitors have padded walls that are torn and covered with explicit graffiti. Drawers filled with spit hoods, gas masks and soft restraints signal the challenges regularly posed by violent detainees.”

Call me a little old fashioned but I do believe you should be able to do your work without being spat upon.

chewy14 9:59 pm 07 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

I can’t believe some of the racist, no-neck disgusting comments appearing in this post. The object of the OP was to draw attention tot he different ways of dealing with offenders and drawing readers’ attention to the misuse of the adult approach to corrections being applied to juveniles.

To suggest that he prison officers were the victims in this appalling display of abuse of power left me speechless. to say that: ” Poor guys, I am disgusted at the vilification these guards are being subjected to through no fault of their own” beggars belief!

For the information of some who know little of corrections processes, spit hoods are not common practised in Australia. In fact, in all my time a corrections minister, I know of only one prison where it has been used – Abu Ghraib.

To devans1156, I say: hear hear!

The nation was appalled, so why weren’t the posters of comments here?

Let’s try again, apparently my last post didn’t make it through for some reason.

Agree with you 100% John, but I saw the way the posts were heading in the early comments, and decided banging my head against a wall would be less painful than trying to argue with the truly messed up “logic” in this thread, so I did that instead. Believe me, it hurt a lot less.

Yes, my post also didn’t make the moderators cut, apparently calling other people racist no necks is legitimate debate but the word “ignorant” gets a post rejected.

No doubt this comment will also get rejected but perhaps the moderators should take a bit of time for some introspection.

dungfungus 8:30 pm 07 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

I can’t believe some of the racist, no-neck disgusting comments appearing in this post. The object of the OP was to draw attention tot he different ways of dealing with offenders and drawing readers’ attention to the misuse of the adult approach to corrections being applied to juveniles.

To suggest that he prison officers were the victims in this appalling display of abuse of power left me speechless. to say that: ” Poor guys, I am disgusted at the vilification these guards are being subjected to through no fault of their own” beggars belief!

For the information of some who know little of corrections processes, spit hoods are not common practised in Australia. In fact, in all my time a corrections minister, I know of only one prison where it has been used – Abu Ghraib.

To devans1156, I say: hear hear!

The nation was appalled, so why weren’t the posters of comments here?

Let’s try again, apparently my last post didn’t make it through for some reason.

Agree with you 100% John, but I saw the way the posts were heading in the early comments, and decided banging my head against a wall would be less painful than trying to argue with the truly messed up “logic” in this thread, so I did that instead. Believe me, it hurt a lot less.

The restraint chair is used to prevent people from “banging their heads against walls”.

Mordd 12:59 pm 07 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

I can’t believe some of the racist, no-neck disgusting comments appearing in this post. The object of the OP was to draw attention tot he different ways of dealing with offenders and drawing readers’ attention to the misuse of the adult approach to corrections being applied to juveniles.

To suggest that he prison officers were the victims in this appalling display of abuse of power left me speechless. to say that: ” Poor guys, I am disgusted at the vilification these guards are being subjected to through no fault of their own” beggars belief!

For the information of some who know little of corrections processes, spit hoods are not common practised in Australia. In fact, in all my time a corrections minister, I know of only one prison where it has been used – Abu Ghraib.

To devans1156, I say: hear hear!

The nation was appalled, so why weren’t the posters of comments here?

Let’s try again, apparently my last post didn’t make it through for some reason.

Agree with you 100% John, but I saw the way the posts were heading in the early comments, and decided banging my head against a wall would be less painful than trying to argue with the truly messed up “logic” in this thread, so I did that instead. Believe me, it hurt a lot less.

justin heywood 9:41 pm 06 Aug 16

There is a small percentage of the Australian community that is genuinely racist, although I haven’t seen them on this post. There is also a segment of the community who seize on an emotive incident like this and use it for their own ends.

A favourite tactic of these people is to claim the moral high ground and then shout ‘racist’ at anyone who has a different view.

It doesn’t advance the discussion, in fact it is usually a tactic to shut the discussion down. it doesn’t inflluence any thoughtful person to change their mind. It doesn’t achieve anything.

Perhaps it just makes the person feel that, at least in his own mind, he is superior to ‘them’.

John Hargreaves 4:14 pm 06 Aug 16

I can’t believe some of the racist, no-neck disgusting comments appearing in this post. The object of the OP was to draw attention tot he different ways of dealing with offenders and drawing readers’ attention to the misuse of the adult approach to corrections being applied to juveniles.

To suggest that he prison officers were the victims in this appalling display of abuse of power left me speechless. to say that: ” Poor guys, I am disgusted at the vilification these guards are being subjected to through no fault of their own” beggars belief!

For the information of some who know little of corrections processes, spit hoods are not common practised in Australia. In fact, in all my time a corrections minister, I know of only one prison where it has been used – Abu Ghraib.

To devans1156, I say: hear hear!

The nation was appalled, so why weren’t the posters of comments here?

dungfungus 10:13 am 06 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

I agree with the bulk of this article but this a children’s issue and about every child who experienced the abuse of Don Dale. The royal commission will focus on the institutional practices and do little to reduce the number of children who are incarcerated in the NT juvenile detention centre.

Over a year ago Tjillari Justice put a proposal to both the ACT Govt and the Federal Minister for Indigenous Affairs which advocated for a service to address the trauma and toxic stress children suffered in fractured families.This stress and trauma impact on the healthy development of social, emotional and neurological development of the child. Both Govt fobbed us off with lame excuses. The recent airing of the Dunedin Study consolidates that this is an approach that can change children’s lives and break the cycle of inter generational offending.

How sad our politicians care so little and continue to bury their heads in the sand hoping the problems will solve themselves. Shame, shame , Shame

I agree that removing these children from the toxic environment is probably the only way to save them from being institutionalised after they become uncontrollable criminals but isn’t that going to create another generation of “stolen children” so you can see why politicians are averse to doing anything.
Perhaps the first generation of “stolen children” were the “saved children” after all.

gazket 11:43 pm 05 Aug 16

you only have to American police and jail programs and they use spit regularly.

gazket 11:42 pm 05 Aug 16

as AGAIN the ABC only tells part of the story and cannot be believed on anything nowdays.

devans115 3:52 pm 05 Aug 16

I agree with the bulk of this article but this a children’s issue and about every child who experienced the abuse of Don Dale. The royal commission will focus on the institutional practices and do little to reduce the number of children who are incarcerated in the NT juvenile detention centre.

Over a year ago Tjillari Justice put a proposal to both the ACT Govt and the Federal Minister for Indigenous Affairs which advocated for a service to address the trauma and toxic stress children suffered in fractured families.This stress and trauma impact on the healthy development of social, emotional and neurological development of the child. Both Govt fobbed us off with lame excuses. The recent airing of the Dunedin Study consolidates that this is an approach that can change children’s lives and break the cycle of inter generational offending.

How sad our politicians care so little and continue to bury their heads in the sand hoping the problems will solve themselves. Shame, shame , Shame

dungfungus 9:18 pm 04 Aug 16

How did Four Corners miss that?
Were they wearing a hood too?

Acton 5:24 pm 04 Aug 16

From the 2014 case involving the same youth:

Para 66: “As the use of force was lawful (on the prosecution case) and the duration of the application of force was not excessive (as I have found) then it would seem to follow that to be unlawful the level of force used must be excessive.”

Para 80: “In all the circumstances of the case I am not satisfied that the prosecution have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that Tasker applied unreasonable and/or unnecessary force to Voller. I therefore am unable to find that Tasker “unlawfully” assaulted Voller.”

http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/ntmc/judgements/2014NTMC02PolicevTasker.htm

gizmo1 2:44 pm 04 Aug 16

mmmmmm

Pretty sure an adult in jail who constantly spat on a guard would get similar styled anti spiting hood. Whether they are black or white does not matter one jot, they are violent offenders and no doubt have earned the treatment dished out.

Why should any guard, colour of their skin matters not, be spat on just because its un PC to gag the little darlings? Spit on a guard or coppers face on the street or in the big boys jail & see how far that gets you.

Masquara 8:06 pm 01 Aug 16

I’m sure there are some qualms about to what extent the Commission will be able to crack open just why these kids didn’t have safe homes to return to at night. That’s an element to this puzzle that is tiptoed around.

dungfungus 5:14 pm 01 Aug 16

I didn’t watch the ABC Four Corners “presentation” but it is hard to avoid the selected grainy video on other media.
What a huge beat up.
It’s sure to win Ms Ferguson another Walkley which is really what it is all about.
By the way, I didn’t see any aboriginal kids in the video; well they they didn’t look the same as the ones I grew up with in western NSW but then those lads were well behaved despite the social hardships they had to endure like the rest of us..

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