Eastman innocent?

johnboy 5 November 2011 184

Jack Waterford in the Canberra Times is raising the prospect that the chain of circumstantial evidence, linking the unlikely kook David Eastman to one of the world’s highest profile police assasinations, might be cracking:

The rifle, which belonged to a retired schoolteacher and former friend of Eastman, could explain something Eastman has never been able to explain: why the boot of his car contained microscopic specks of gunshot residue, including residue from the same type of ammunition thought to have been used to kill Mr Winchester outside his Deakin home.

The schoolteacher has sworn an affidavit saying that he had borrowed the car from Eastman to go rabbit shooting during the late 1980s. Eastman had not known that the teacher was going shooting, and that, in doing so, he had put the gun in the car boot.

Eastman was convicted from a strong chain of circumstantial evidence, much of which turned in a controversial, but at the time uncontested, set of linkages and deductions made from forensic findings about gunshot residue.

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cranky cranky 6:40 pm 12 Jun 12

Today, finally, Lindy Chamberlain.

Tomorrow, with luck, David Eastman.

EandIprefix EandIprefix 10:39 am 06 Dec 11

Those who have the relevant case experience know that they could have made an even stronger case, but you cannot fit so much into a case in the time allowed: I am curious if Eastman’s claim of a Mafia hit would have backfired on him like the prostitute alibi did?

fgzk fgzk 9:10 am 01 Dec 11

Who did it aside, I am now confused over another aspect of the investigation and what it means. Tim Priest in his book “Enemies of the State” has a chapter entitled “Under the radar: The Winchester case”, where he comments on the removal of the highly regarded Commander Loyd Worthy from the case. Chris Masters on the Page One program made claims, from an undisclosed source, that a police officer leading the investigation was “now a suspect”. Loyd Worthy eventually sued Masters in a civil court and won. The bit I don’t get is the chapter then goes on to talk about Masters involvement with the NSW police “Commissioners Advisory Group”. Should the chapter have been titled “Under the radar: Chris Masters”?

What is Tim Priest trying to imply. Is he saying it was a media beat up or part of a controlled release of information? Has the unnamed source ever been named? What effect did the removal of Loyd Worthy have on the investigation? Why remove him? Why claim he was a suspect? Was this just Police politics playing out on TV?

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 12:52 pm 19 Nov 11

Would anyone just like to say,” I have not seen the brief of evidence”, or “I wasn’t there so I can’t be certain” ” I only know what I have read in the news”? If you have read the judgement, then accept it based on what was presented. Of course there is always evidence that never makes court, for a whole range of reasons. Not necessarily in a bad way either. This is what is called process. If legally there is avenue to hear something, then it should be heard. Lets just settle.

HenryBG HenryBG 4:30 pm 17 Nov 11

fgzk said :

Canberra Creative “Check the court records, he has over 25 cases to his name, Eastman has no credibility left.”

Ive always thought it was interesting that Eastman being an accomplished serial pest with the paperwork would switch MO and use a gun. Only once.

Precisely.
The prosecution made a lot of noise over the fact Eastman threatened to kill Winchester.

The fact is, he threatened to shoot half of Canberra’s public service, criminal justice, and legal fraternities.
But he never shot any of the rest of us – all *we* got were tedious, long-winded, insane, abusive ranting on the phone, in letters, and for the most unlucky amongst us, in person.

But nobody ever got shot by him, EXCEPT BY SOME STRANGE COINCIDENCE, he “shot” the one guy in Canberra who had also been threatened with death by a Calabrian mafia well-known for frequently making good on its threats.
AND, by another STRANGE COINCIDENCE, the cops were never able to present any actual evidence for Eastman having been in Winchester’s driveway with a gun on the evening Winchester was shot, although they did have to bury and/or ignore a fair bit of evidence which conflicted with their confabulated narrative.

I don’t even have to engage the conscious part of my brain for the analytic solution to this proposal to present itself.

As for the part of vg’s brain which gives him his analysis on this one – I’d suggest it’s the same part of the brain responsible for people giving in to peer-group pressure, groupthink and witch-burnings.

HenryBG HenryBG 4:20 pm 17 Nov 11

buzz819 said :

tankgirl said :

Back in the late ’80’s, there were stories inside certain circles about the ability to give ppl pills to get them to do anything. Just because you could put a gun in someones hand and take a few photos doesn’t mean it was how it looked . I guess some were scared due to the bullshit.

Those who are truly “in the know” WILL KNOW exactly what I am referring to.

There are people out there who have “acted” their part in a plan they were unaware of until afterwards. Then they would have been too scared to do shit.

It really is time for these ppl to come forward to unravel the truth but unless there is an immunity from prosecution, it wont happen.

Wow, the more you talk, the less credible you become.

That could well be the intention.

There was no evidence tying Eastman to the crime scene, which is why the AFP & DPP have always been so defensive of people questioning their crappy case.

The only people in any hurry to see Eastman released would be the poor bastards who are currently in charge of supervising him. The rest of us aren’t so fussed. Still, like Lindy Chamberlain, a ridiculously unsafe conviction can’t stand forever.

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 12:02 pm 17 Nov 11

In the end, Justice will be served. We might need a longer time line for eastman to be able to discredit everyone first though.

buzz819 buzz819 3:16 pm 13 Nov 11

tankgirl said :

Back in the late ’80’s, there were stories inside certain circles about the ability to give ppl pills to get them to do anything. Just because you could put a gun in someones hand and take a few photos doesn’t mean it was how it looked . I guess some were scared due to the bullshit.

Those who are truly “in the know” WILL KNOW exactly what I am referring to.

There are people out there who have “acted” their part in a plan they were unaware of until afterwards. Then they would have been too scared to do shit.

It really is time for these ppl to come forward to unravel the truth but unless there is an immunity from prosecution, it wont happen.

Wow, the more you talk, the less credible you become.

tankgirl tankgirl 1:03 pm 13 Nov 11

Back in the late ’80’s, there were stories inside certain circles about the ability to give ppl pills to get them to do anything. Just because you could put a gun in someones hand and take a few photos doesn’t mean it was how it looked . I guess some were scared due to the bullshit.

Those who are truly “in the know” WILL KNOW exactly what I am referring to.

There are people out there who have “acted” their part in a plan they were unaware of until afterwards. Then they would have been too scared to do shit.

It really is time for these ppl to come forward to unravel the truth but unless there is an immunity from prosecution, it wont happen.

tankgirl tankgirl 10:50 am 13 Nov 11

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/HCA/1996/50.html

This person could be a suspect considering what he was doing and who he was associated with in the late ’80’s .

I-filed I-filed 10:49 am 13 Nov 11

Another small piece to the jigsaw is again regarding the “shady AFP character” B * * * * I talked about at the beginning. His ex-sister-in-law C***** and her husband lived on a property east of Canberra. I remember arriving at B * * * *’s ex-wife’s house and the sister-in-law’s husband was just putting a very sensitive set of electronic scales in his bag. Nothing necessarily strange about that, but he took pains to tell me about how he needed very sensitive scales to weigh “printer’s ink” at a business where he was working. I did wonder afterwards why he was bothering to emphasise an “innocent use” for the scales to me. Later someone told me that he was growing a massive dope crop on his property and I understood his precautionary approach. Despite that slip, looking back I doubt I would have been allowed that close unless there was police protection in place.

el el 9:48 am 13 Nov 11

LSWCHP said :

Ummm….nope. I’m still havin’ trouble working out who he is. More clues please.

This guy?

Classified Classified 12:45 am 13 Nov 11

jcitizen said :

Classified said :

HenryBG said :

dpm said :

Wow, surely if even 1 of the 10 or so people who have commented on this thread with heaps of ‘inside’ knowledge had of come forward and given evidence (and, gasp, named names) at the Eastman trial, he surely would have got off! Sounds like the ‘inside’ experts are the ones who are responsible for him being in jail….?! No point crying about that fact now if you’re partly responsible.

What are you on about? The cops had all the evidence – they chose to not present the stuff which was inconvenient and to fabricate other stuff to fill the gaps in their bullshit story, including the non-sensical evidence from a forensic “expert” who had already been sacked for incompetence by the Vic police.
Eastman was convicted for the same reason Lindy Chamberlain was: cops & prosecutors of little ability and suffering from an idee fixe presenting a dishonest case.

Exactly – who should these people ‘come forward’ to?

the Royal Commision of Inquiry into the Conviction of David Eastman ?????????

Yeah, right.

vg vg 11:30 pm 12 Nov 11

Eastman innocent?

No

Next question

LSWCHP LSWCHP 9:41 pm 12 Nov 11

tankgirl said :

DDsmash said :

A great place to start is to explain what were the police doing growing dope with italians in Bungendore? answer that please, it has never been explained and I would love to know who said this was ok for the AFP to do this.They flipped it off as an effort to track crime networks but they did it to establish crime networks to train on.
Secondly if you think Eastman is a lunatic go and have a good look at that thug Eric Ninness, a senior officer in the AFP and a big player in operation Seville, according to Nick Pappas, who was representing Eastman at the time, Ninness was the first officer on the scene,why he didn’t call for road blocks?
Eastman was framed to avoid the police explaining why Winchester was shot for breaking the deal he made with mafia,it all unravelled when McKay got shot, then to young couriers were found dead in barrells just outside Griffith on the day of the Whitlams dissmisal, to Hollywood for you? well their it is. The AFP were out of control, look at the Masters report called Police Crop that ran in the eighties about the whole shamozzle, then you will see what a distraction the Winchester murder is from the AFP’s criminal culture!

Don’t forget the $50 million Guyra crop participants

and

a possible NCA secret Mafia witness that may have been replaced in 88 because the real one was shot with a ruger (wonder if its the same gun that killed winchester?) and his body may be dumped in Wyangala Dam (has this been investigated properly?) by an Eastern European who might have been posing as an AFP secret helper and pretending to the witness that he was going into witness protection but killed him instead, possibly in the presence of someone who was getting convicted with a lot of dope (they may have laughed at a “mere labourer” comment in a newspaper on another occasion when someone else may have been shot and a tongue cut out – this body is probably in Wyangala Dam too, or not far from it).

This eastern European guy is also the same person to tried to break in to the Czechoslovakian embassy in 88 and was also the mastermind behind a truck load of stolen scotch in 87. He also set a precedent for voice recording 96.

You should be able to work out who he is .

Ummm….nope. I’m still havin’ trouble working out who he is. More clues please.

fgzk fgzk 4:08 pm 12 Nov 11

Canberra Creative “Check the court records, he has over 25 cases to his name, Eastman has no credibility left.”

Ive always thought it was interesting that Eastman being an accomplished serial pest with the paperwork would switch MO and use a gun. Only once.

buzz819 buzz819 12:59 pm 12 Nov 11

tankgirl said :

DDsmash said :

Don’t forget the $50 million Guyra crop participants

and

a possible NCA secret Mafia witness that may have been replaced in 88 because the real one was shot with a ruger (wonder if its the same gun that killed winchester?) and his body may be dumped in Wyangala Dam (has this been investigated properly?) by an Eastern European who might have been posing as an AFP secret helper and pretending to the witness that he was going into witness protection but killed him instead, possibly in the presence of someone who was getting convicted with a lot of dope (they may have laughed at a “mere labourer” comment in a newspaper on another occasion when someone else may have been shot and a tongue cut out – this body is probably in Wyangala Dam too, or not far from it).

This eastern European guy is also the same person to tried to break in to the Czechoslovakian embassy in 88 and was also the mastermind behind a truck load of stolen scotch in 87. He also set a precedent for voice recording 96.

You should be able to work out who he is .

I believe Eastman is innocent, I have my reasons.

Look, I’m all for credible stories and the analysis of any new evidence into the matter, but what the hell are you on about?

Type what you want to say, get someone else to read it, make any corrections they suggest, then post it.

You sound like a conspiracy theory nut who can’t communicate.

tankgirl tankgirl 11:01 pm 11 Nov 11

DDsmash said :

A great place to start is to explain what were the police doing growing dope with italians in Bungendore? answer that please, it has never been explained and I would love to know who said this was ok for the AFP to do this.They flipped it off as an effort to track crime networks but they did it to establish crime networks to train on.
Secondly if you think Eastman is a lunatic go and have a good look at that thug Eric Ninness, a senior officer in the AFP and a big player in operation Seville, according to Nick Pappas, who was representing Eastman at the time, Ninness was the first officer on the scene,why he didn’t call for road blocks?
Eastman was framed to avoid the police explaining why Winchester was shot for breaking the deal he made with mafia,it all unravelled when McKay got shot, then to young couriers were found dead in barrells just outside Griffith on the day of the Whitlams dissmisal, to Hollywood for you? well their it is. The AFP were out of control, look at the Masters report called Police Crop that ran in the eighties about the whole shamozzle, then you will see what a distraction the Winchester murder is from the AFP’s criminal culture!

Don’t forget the $50 million Guyra crop participants

and

a possible NCA secret Mafia witness that may have been replaced in 88 because the real one was shot with a ruger (wonder if its the same gun that killed winchester?) and his body may be dumped in Wyangala Dam (has this been investigated properly?) by an Eastern European who might have been posing as an AFP secret helper and pretending to the witness that he was going into witness protection but killed him instead, possibly in the presence of someone who was getting convicted with a lot of dope (they may have laughed at a “mere labourer” comment in a newspaper on another occasion when someone else may have been shot and a tongue cut out – this body is probably in Wyangala Dam too, or not far from it).

This eastern European guy is also the same person to tried to break in to the Czechoslovakian embassy in 88 and was also the mastermind behind a truck load of stolen scotch in 87. He also set a precedent for voice recording 96.

You should be able to work out who he is .

I believe Eastman is innocent, I have my reasons.

Blondcat Blondcat 10:20 pm 10 Nov 11

Blondcat said :

creative_canberran said :

aceofspades said :

You surprise me Thumper, I pictured you much more switched on…

“As background to Winchester’s murder the following extract from the New South Wales Legislative Assembly Hansard for Thursday 17 May 1990 is illuminating.”

In short Mr. HATTON (South Coast) calls for a Royal Commission to investigate exactly what DDsmash describes.

This post is directly ripped off from this website: http://blakandblack.com/

The Hansard referred to is actually 11 May 1994. The website he ripped the text off has the wrong date, which says a lot about the credibility of the site.

The site is run by Mark Mullins, a former public servant according to the site who is “working on a PhD titled Corruption and Racism in the Australian Federal Police and the death of Australia’s democracy.”

The site owner harbours a personal vendetta against the AFP, public service and in general europeans because of perceived injustices to him in the past and the invasion of his traditional country.

Some of the site is simply incoherent, like this tidbit:
“In this environment of self interest, where spin and obfuscation rule supreme, where hype passes for policy and ‘grandstanding’ for action, is it any wonder that ordinary citizens are slowly having their basic rights and freedoms eroded on a daily basis in order to bolster the fiefdoms of the Manchu’s in Canberra.”

RE: Commenter 78 Creative_Canberran. Not sure about the accuracy of Hansard reference, but the sentence you noted with distain, namely:

“In this environment of self interest, where spin and obfuscation rule supreme, where hype passes for policy and ‘grandstanding’ for action, is it any wonder that ordinary citizens are slowly having their basic rights and freedoms eroded on a daily basis in order to bolster the fiefdoms of the Manchu’s in Canberra.”

I’m not sure if English is your first language, but the comment makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps you are unaware of what obfuscation means or you’re not familiar with the term Manchu, which I thought was common parlance for most public servants. While I don’t know this person personally I do note that he has a number of publications down the side bar of his blog. I have also found reference to him in the Indian, Russian and French press. Perhaps we should as good citizens refrain from badmouthing each other until we check all the facts.

Blondcat said :

creative_canberran said :

aceofspades said :

You surprise me Thumper, I pictured you much more switched on…

“As background to Winchester’s murder the following extract from the New South Wales Legislative Assembly Hansard for Thursday 17 May 1990 is illuminating.”

In short Mr. HATTON (South Coast) calls for a Royal Commission to investigate exactly what DDsmash describes.

This post is directly ripped off from this website: http://blakandblack.com/

The Hansard referred to is actually 11 May 1994. The website he ripped the text off has the wrong date, which says a lot about the credibility of the site.

The site is run by Mark Mullins, a former public servant according to the site who is “working on a PhD titled Corruption and Racism in the Australian Federal Police and the death of Australia’s democracy.”

The site owner harbours a personal vendetta against the AFP, public service and in general europeans because of perceived injustices to him in the past and the invasion of his traditional country.

Some of the site is simply incoherent, like this tidbit:
“In this environment of self interest, where spin and obfuscation rule supreme, where hype passes for policy and ‘grandstanding’ for action, is it any wonder that ordinary citizens are slowly having their basic rights and freedoms eroded on a daily basis in order to bolster the fiefdoms of the Manchu’s in Canberra.”

RE: Commenter 78 Creative_Canberran. Not sure about the accuracy of Hansard reference, but the sentence you noted with distain, namely:

“In this environment of self interest, where spin and obfuscation rule supreme, where hype passes for policy and ‘grandstanding’ for action, is it any wonder that ordinary citizens are slowly having their basic rights and freedoms eroded on a daily basis in order to bolster the fiefdoms of the Manchu’s in Canberra.”

I’m not sure if English is your first language, but the comment makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps you are unaware of what obfuscation means or you’re not familiar with the term Manchu, which I thought was common parlance for most public servants. While I don’t know this person personally I do note that he has a number of publications down the side bar of his blog. I have also found reference to him in the Indian, Russian and French press. Perhaps we should as good citizens refrain from badmouthing each other until we check all the facts.

Blondcat said :

creative_canberran said :

aceofspades said :

You surprise me Thumper, I pictured you much more switched on…

“As background to Winchester’s murder the following extract from the New South Wales Legislative Assembly Hansard for Thursday 17 May 1990 is illuminating.”

In short Mr. HATTON (South Coast) calls for a Royal Commission to investigate exactly what DDsmash describes.

This post is directly ripped off from this website: http://blakandblack.com/

The Hansard referred to is actually 11 May 1994. The website he ripped the text off has the wrong date, which says a lot about the credibility of the site.

The site is run by Mark Mullins, a former public servant according to the site who is “working on a PhD titled Corruption and Racism in the Australian Federal Police and the death of Australia’s democracy.”

The site owner harbours a personal vendetta against the AFP, public service and in general europeans because of perceived injustices to him in the past and the invasion of his traditional country.

Some of the site is simply incoherent, like this tidbit:
“In this environment of self interest, where spin and obfuscation rule supreme, where hype passes for policy and ‘grandstanding’ for action, is it any wonder that ordinary citizens are slowly having their basic rights and freedoms eroded on a daily basis in order to bolster the fiefdoms of the Manchu’s in Canberra.”

RE: Commenter 78 Creative_Canberran. Not sure about the accuracy of Hansard reference, but the sentence you noted with distain, namely:

“In this environment of self interest, where spin and obfuscation rule supreme, where hype passes for policy and ‘grandstanding’ for action, is it any wonder that ordinary citizens are slowly having their basic rights and freedoms eroded on a daily basis in order to bolster the fiefdoms of the Manchu’s in Canberra.”

I’m not sure if English is your first language, but the comment makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps you are unaware of what obfuscation means or you’re not familiar with the term Manchu, which I thought was common parlance for most public servants. While I don’t know this person personally I do note that he has a number of publications down the side bar of his blog. I have also found reference to him in the Indian, Russian and French press. Perhaps we should as good citizens refrain from badmouthing each other until we check all the facts.

Hello again Creative_Canberran,

I have just had a close look at Blak and Black specifically to the article you linked to. I have followed the links of Blak and Black’s post Have the AFP been busted, yet again? And they lead to a PDF of NSW Hansard with the correct text as per the post and bearing the date 17 May, 1990. Are you sure you checked the links before publishing your comments?

Blondcat Blondcat 7:15 pm 10 Nov 11

creative_canberran said :

aceofspades said :

You surprise me Thumper, I pictured you much more switched on…

“As background to Winchester’s murder the following extract from the New South Wales Legislative Assembly Hansard for Thursday 17 May 1990 is illuminating.”

In short Mr. HATTON (South Coast) calls for a Royal Commission to investigate exactly what DDsmash describes.

This post is directly ripped off from this website: http://blakandblack.com/

The Hansard referred to is actually 11 May 1994. The website he ripped the text off has the wrong date, which says a lot about the credibility of the site.

The site is run by Mark Mullins, a former public servant according to the site who is “working on a PhD titled Corruption and Racism in the Australian Federal Police and the death of Australia’s democracy.”

The site owner harbours a personal vendetta against the AFP, public service and in general europeans because of perceived injustices to him in the past and the invasion of his traditional country.

Some of the site is simply incoherent, like this tidbit:
“In this environment of self interest, where spin and obfuscation rule supreme, where hype passes for policy and ‘grandstanding’ for action, is it any wonder that ordinary citizens are slowly having their basic rights and freedoms eroded on a daily basis in order to bolster the fiefdoms of the Manchu’s in Canberra.”

RE: Commenter 78 Creative_Canberran. Not sure about the accuracy of Hansard reference, but the sentence you noted with distain, namely:

“In this environment of self interest, where spin and obfuscation rule supreme, where hype passes for policy and ‘grandstanding’ for action, is it any wonder that ordinary citizens are slowly having their basic rights and freedoms eroded on a daily basis in order to bolster the fiefdoms of the Manchu’s in Canberra.”

I’m not sure if English is your first language, but the comment makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps you are unaware of what obfuscation means or you’re not familiar with the term Manchu, which I thought was common parlance for most public servants. While I don’t know this person personally I do note that he has a number of publications down the side bar of his blog. I have also found reference to him in the Indian, Russian and French press. Perhaps we should as good citizens refrain from badmouthing each other until we check all the facts.

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