Expanded Mugga Lane tip good for thirty years. DV305 out.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

AAA credit rating? Leahman Bros. had one of those as well.
“Best debt” in the world? Is that better than the substantial credit they started with?
Have you read what the ACT auditor said last week about ACT’s parlous financial situation? Are you comfortable about the almost $5 billion unfunded superannuation owing to ACT public servants? (hope you are one of them).

Best debit, yep happy with that, because the alternative would have been much much worse, just like the Liebral party is leading us now.

As for the ACT no I am not an ACT public servant, but got to ask the same question I’ve asked before these issues you have, how would ACT Liebral do any different?

And I will tell you again that it doesn’t matter what the ACT Liberals want to do as they are not in power nor will they ever be.

dungfungus said :

AAA credit rating? Leahman Bros. had one of those as well.
“Best debt” in the world? Is that better than the substantial credit they started with?
Have you read what the ACT auditor said last week about ACT’s parlous financial situation? Are you comfortable about the almost $5 billion unfunded superannuation owing to ACT public servants? (hope you are one of them).

Best debit, yep happy with that, because the alternative would have been much much worse, just like the Liebral party is leading us now.

As for the ACT no I am not an ACT public servant, but got to ask the same question I’ve asked before these issues you have, how would ACT Liebral do any different?

dungfungus said :

miz said :

Yes JC, Hume has been there since the 1980s but I understand it was only meant to be a small pocket of light industrial warehouses, not part of a ‘industrial corridor’ (the corridor thing being quite recent). Mitchell is similar, and we all know about the other light industrial pockets in Phillip and Belco.
Dungfungus, I am surprised to have to ‘spell it out’ but ‘Liebral’ is not a spelling mistake, it is an intentional way of noting the proliferation of lies being spouted by the Liberals (though IMHO such a tactic is mainly applicable to the fed govt and this is a local govt issue).

You mean like “Liebor”?

Your originality cracks me up. But if we want to count lies, the whole of the 2013 federal campaign was based on lies. The supposed lie by Gillard on the other hand, if you want to call it a lie was just 1, but of course if you look at the definition of a lie, her supposed lie was not a lie, just a policy backflip. A lie needs intent to misslead, Liebral 2013 was one big attempt and lie.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
,

Bus dead running is a whole of Territory issue, comrade
. How about a comment on the possible consequences of the smell getting into the AMC?

As is always the case you have missed my question which is what the Liebrals would do differently considering you think this is some Labor party punishment for Tuggeranong. Just gave bus dead running an example of the Liebrals making something out of nothing with no plan on how they would do any different. Just like I am certain if in power they would not change a thing at the tip except maybe contract something out to make some money for their mates.

Oh getting OT and back to buses for a second ironic Coe goes on and on about dead running but it was his party that closed Woden depot which contributes to it slightly. That said not a bad decision because the cost of running extra depots far our weighs the cost of dead running to the tine of about 40-50km per day per bus of which only maybe 15km per bus based at Woden would be saved anyway.

It doesn’t matter what the Canberra Liberals (please get that spell-checker fixed!) do as they are not in government and clearly, they don’t plan to be.
They are smart enough to see what is happening to the Federal Liberals as they try and sort out the mess the other Labor/Greens minority government left.

It matters quite a lot actually. No point running around ranting and raving which is what the ACT Liebrals do without an alternative. If they really want power it is time they offered themselves as an alternative government rather than an opposition. And on this tip thing your happy to blame Labor but doubt you or the Liebrals would have any sensible alternative.

Ps told you before nothing wrong with my spell checker. It is context based and when talking abou the Liebral party it automatically inserts the extra i for what ever reason. Maybe it knows the truth that they are a pack of liars indeed that’s how they got into power federally. Lie lie lie indeed you are parroting the lies of the mess they supposedly left us. Never mind the AAA credit rating, low unemployment, low interest rates and a debt that was one of the best in the world. Though the Liebrals have now added in one year about 1/4 to the deficit one year and despite being in power have real plan for changing that. All they continue to do is blame labor. I know you will say well it is Labors fault for blocking legislation in the Senate but fact comrade even if all that was passed the Liebral government would be still spending the same as Labor had planned but of course are now suffering even more due to drop in commodity prices. Fools but that’s Labors fault too hey?

AAA credit rating? Leahman Bros. had one of those as well.
“Best debt” in the world? Is that better than the substantial credit they started with?
Have you read what the ACT auditor said last week about ACT’s parlous financial situation? Are you comfortable about the almost $5 billion unfunded superannuation owing to ACT public servants? (hope you are one of them).

miz said :

Just to add, I have noticed that Purdons seem to be involved in lots of these non-consultative consultations.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/supabarn-owner-koundouris-donates-to-labor-during-lease-negotiations-20141108-11defu.html
Well, of course Mr Purdon would say that.

miz said :

Yes JC, Hume has been there since the 1980s but I understand it was only meant to be a small pocket of light industrial warehouses, not part of a ‘industrial corridor’ (the corridor thing being quite recent). Mitchell is similar, and we all know about the other light industrial pockets in Phillip and Belco.
Dungfungus, I am surprised to have to ‘spell it out’ but ‘Liebral’ is not a spelling mistake, it is an intentional way of noting the proliferation of lies being spouted by the Liberals (though IMHO such a tactic is mainly applicable to the fed govt and this is a local govt issue).

You mean like “Liebor”?

Just to add, I have noticed that Purdons seem to be involved in lots of these non-consultative consultations.

Yes JC, Hume has been there since the 1980s but I understand it was only meant to be a small pocket of light industrial warehouses, not part of a ‘industrial corridor’ (the corridor thing being quite recent). Mitchell is similar, and we all know about the other light industrial pockets in Phillip and Belco.
Dungfungus, I am surprised to have to ‘spell it out’ but ‘Liebral’ is not a spelling mistake, it is an intentional way of noting the proliferation of lies being spouted by the Liberals (though IMHO such a tactic is mainly applicable to the fed govt and this is a local govt issue).

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
,

Bus dead running is a whole of Territory issue, comrade
. How about a comment on the possible consequences of the smell getting into the AMC?

As is always the case you have missed my question which is what the Liebrals would do differently considering you think this is some Labor party punishment for Tuggeranong. Just gave bus dead running an example of the Liebrals making something out of nothing with no plan on how they would do any different. Just like I am certain if in power they would not change a thing at the tip except maybe contract something out to make some money for their mates.

Oh getting OT and back to buses for a second ironic Coe goes on and on about dead running but it was his party that closed Woden depot which contributes to it slightly. That said not a bad decision because the cost of running extra depots far our weighs the cost of dead running to the tine of about 40-50km per day per bus of which only maybe 15km per bus based at Woden would be saved anyway.

It doesn’t matter what the Canberra Liberals (please get that spell-checker fixed!) do as they are not in government and clearly, they don’t plan to be.
They are smart enough to see what is happening to the Federal Liberals as they try and sort out the mess the other Labor/Greens minority government left.

It matters quite a lot actually. No point running around ranting and raving which is what the ACT Liebrals do without an alternative. If they really want power it is time they offered themselves as an alternative government rather than an opposition. And on this tip thing your happy to blame Labor but doubt you or the Liebrals would have any sensible alternative.

Ps told you before nothing wrong with my spell checker. It is context based and when talking abou the Liebral party it automatically inserts the extra i for what ever reason. Maybe it knows the truth that they are a pack of liars indeed that’s how they got into power federally. Lie lie lie indeed you are parroting the lies of the mess they supposedly left us. Never mind the AAA credit rating, low unemployment, low interest rates and a debt that was one of the best in the world. Though the Liebrals have now added in one year about 1/4 to the deficit one year and despite being in power have real plan for changing that. All they continue to do is blame labor. I know you will say well it is Labors fault for blocking legislation in the Senate but fact comrade even if all that was passed the Liebral government would be still spending the same as Labor had planned but of course are now suffering even more due to drop in commodity prices. Fools but that’s Labors fault too hey?

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
,

Bus dead running is a whole of Territory issue, comrade
. How about a comment on the possible consequences of the smell getting into the AMC?

As is always the case you have missed my question which is what the Liebrals would do differently considering you think this is some Labor party punishment for Tuggeranong. Just gave bus dead running an example of the Liebrals making something out of nothing with no plan on how they would do any different. Just like I am certain if in power they would not change a thing at the tip except maybe contract something out to make some money for their mates.

Oh getting OT and back to buses for a second ironic Coe goes on and on about dead running but it was his party that closed Woden depot which contributes to it slightly. That said not a bad decision because the cost of running extra depots far our weighs the cost of dead running to the tine of about 40-50km per day per bus of which only maybe 15km per bus based at Woden would be saved anyway.

It doesn’t matter what the Canberra Liberals (please get that spell-checker fixed!) do as they are not in government and clearly, they don’t plan to be.
They are smart enough to see what is happening to the Federal Liberals as they try and sort out the mess the other Labor/Greens minority government left.

rommeldog56 said :

Here is a Link to the variation to the Territory Plan that was approved in November 2014. It is a very short document so well worth the read :

http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/2013-530/20131122-56611/pdf/2013-530.pdf

I assume this was done under the watch of Mick Gentleman, (Labor) MLA ?

Here are a few points out of the approvd variation :

1) Only 3 submissions were received. It is claimed none mentioned smell.

I dunno if that means traditional ACT Ratepayer apathy or just ineffective exposure/communication to local residents by the ACT Gov’t and Mr Gentleman ? The latter I suspect. Did the Tuggeranong Community Council know ?

2) Para 1.2 says “A clearance zone has also been redrawn to restrict development of community use and residential use within 500m around the expanded MT2 boundry.”

So, what does that mean ? The exclusion area has been eincreased to be 500 metres or decreased to 500 metres ?

It doesn’t seem like enough to me – hence smell. How can how such a variation plan be “approved” without a critical issue as the restriction zone being clarified/spelt out.

3) So, it says “Alternative landfill sites have been investigated and the preferred option is to expand the existing facility……” (ie the existing Mugga Lane tip).

For a variation to the Territory Plan, the reasons why arn’t exactly well articulated are they !

Is there a supplementary/explanatory paper on why it is preferred – any such supplementary info/explanation is not even mentioned or linked to ?

4) there is no mention of an EIS or a link to that.

5) Did any ACT MLAs – Liberal or Labor – query this, oppose it or did they all support it ?

Here is the link to the Purdon report: http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/32976/ACT_NoWaste_Planning_Report_V4a_150113.pdf
The results of the “survey” (I believe this is false) are on pages 50 – 51.
Note that the second paragraph on page 51 is an incomplete sentence. There may have been something contentious there which has been expunged.
In the summary the report claims 80% of the “local community” had no issues with the proposed tip expansion and the majority of the remaining 20% said odour was going to be the problem.
I still haven’t met anyone from the suburbs that were allegedly consulted that received contact during the survey.
I recall that we voted against self-government 3 times but we still got it.

gazket said :

ACT NOWaste investigated alternative landfill sites and consulted the community before choosing to expand the existing facility.

why are we paying for a oxymoron government dept.

we have a no waste by 2010 dept looking for more room to put rubbish in 2014/15 .

The no-waste starts with us. Are you making your contribution to the no-waste? How often do you put out your garbage bin? No-waste starts at home. If you are one of the majority who put their garbage bin out weekly, you are not making your contribution to no-waste. Don’t fob it off to someone else; take responsibility. It is the majority who don’t give a damn – shove it in the bin and put it out for someone else to take the responsibly. Anyone else, so the creator of the rubbish doesn’t have to care and can blame someone else. Anyone else but themselves. So, how often do you put your bin out?

A bit of a side track

The ACT gov are $500 million in debt, why are they buying the new Canberra 100 number plates at auction to put on their vehicles ?

They have their own special number plates which would cost considerably less than plates bought at auction prices.

More Labor waste ?

ACT NOWaste investigated alternative landfill sites and consulted the community before choosing to expand the existing facility.

why are we paying for a oxymoron government dept.

we have a no waste by 2010 dept looking for more room to put rubbish in 2014/15 .

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
,

Bus dead running is a whole of Territory issue, comrade
. How about a comment on the possible consequences of the smell getting into the AMC?

As is always the case you have missed my question which is what the Liebrals would do differently considering you think this is some Labor party punishment for Tuggeranong. Just gave bus dead running an example of the Liebrals making something out of nothing with no plan on how they would do any different. Just like I am certain if in power they would not change a thing at the tip except maybe contract something out to make some money for their mates.

Oh getting OT and back to buses for a second ironic Coe goes on and on about dead running but it was his party that closed Woden depot which contributes to it slightly. That said not a bad decision because the cost of running extra depots far our weighs the cost of dead running to the tine of about 40-50km per day per bus of which only maybe 15km per bus based at Woden would be saved anyway.

miz said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Chewy, your conclusions are completely incorrect – first, and obviously, all land in the ACT is potentially ‘high quality and valuable residential land’ as you put it – it depends on planning (or lack thereof) what happens to it.
Second, originally only Fyshwick was intended as industrial – and only light industrial at that. It has definitely NOT been on the cards for decades, as you claim, to have eastern Canberra as the ‘industrial corridor.’ In fact, the relevant ACT Govt Directorate attended Tuggeranong Community Council only a year or two ago to tout its daft ideas of making the Monaro Hwy an industrial corridor – something the NCA should be overriding them on, given that the Monaro is a major entrance into Canberra.
It is clearly smart to plan for essential whole-of-city infrastructure, such as the ones I mentioned above, in available greenfields land so they can be planned and prioritised according to community needs. Unfortunately, the hallmark of successive ACT Governments has been to prioritise government greed (by maximising residential land sales) instead of the best interests of the community, and treat existing residents like crap by attempting to retro-fit completely inappropriate developments in and near existing residential areas.
Finally, no one actually lives that close to the tip, and no one in the aforementioned suburbs actually suffered from any bad smells from the tip until a few years ago. No one should be affected by tip smells at all, and certainly not smells of the magnitude that have occurred in the last week or two. It is therefore completely reasonable for people living in the affected suburbs, which have been there since the 1980s, to raise complaints.

If the Monaro highway corridor was not slated for industrial then what do you call Hume? Gazetted in 1982 which was 3 decades ago now. Sure there has been recent expansion with Beard but consistent with existing industrial development along that strip.

Of course Mugga Lane tip predates Hume and the closest suburbs like Macauthur.

Here is a Link to the variation to the Territory Plan that was approved in November 2014. It is a very short document so well worth the read :

http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/2013-530/20131122-56611/pdf/2013-530.pdf

I assume this was done under the watch of Mick Gentleman, (Labor) MLA ? Here are a few points out of the approvd variation :

1) Only 3 submissions were received. It is claimed none mentioned smell. I dunno if that means traditional ACT Ratepayer apathy or just ineffective exposure/communication to local residents by the ACT Gov’t and Mr Gentleman ? The latter I suspect. Did the Tuggeranong Community Council know ?

2) Para 1.2 says “A clearance zone has also been redrawn to restrict development of community use and residential use within 500m around the expanded MT2 boundry.” So, what does that mean ? The exclusion area has been eincreased to be 500 metres or decreased to 500 metres ? It doesn’t seem like enough to me – hence smell. How can how such a variation plan be “approved” without a critical issue as the restriction zone being clarified/spelt out.

3) So, it says “Alternative landfill sites have been investigated and the preferred option is to expand the existing facility……” (ie the existing Mugga Lane tip). For a variation to the Territory Plan, the reasons why arn’t exactly well articulated are they ! Is there a supplementary/explanatory paper on why it is preferred – any such supplementary info/explanation is not even mentioned or linked to ?

4) there is no mention of an EIS or a link to that.

5) Did any ACT MLAs – Liberal or Labor – query this, oppose it or did they all support it ?

Chewy14 said ” You are correct that no one should have to put up with consistent long term smells from the tip due to its fairly remote location and I don’t think anyone has said this will be a long term problem. As the current smells are related to short term work being carried out, I dont think it’s unreasonable for residents to be accommodating in the short term for works at this essential facility. “

1) There should be more than enough space between existing residences and the Mugga Lane tip for any smell not to be a problem.

2) The smell only started a few years ago – but has got much, much worse lately.

3) I’m not aware if the smell will be a short term or a permanent problem – there has been absolutely no contact with residents by the ACT Gov’t/TAMS/tip operator that I am aware of that will explain it or put it into context. That’s a pretty p#ss poor and arrogant effort. I’m sure residents can and will be accommodating – if they just knew what was going on, what the plan to treat the smell is and what is the long term prospect ie. will we have to live with it forever or will it be fixed within a specified timeframe ?

4) The recent variation to the territory plan expanded the tip for an extra 30 years life. As far as I know, such a expansion/lifespan to the Mugga Lane tip wasn’t known to residents when they purchased in the affected suburbs. An earlier post here said it was known – it was not, so would not have adversely affected land values/Annual Rates assessments.

5) Again – where are the Tuggeranong Labor MLAs on this issue ? The silence is deafening.

miz said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Chewy, your conclusions are completely incorrect – first, and obviously, all land in the ACT is potentially ‘high quality and valuable residential land’ as you put it – it depends on planning (or lack thereof) what happens to it.
Second, originally only Fyshwick was intended as industrial – and only light industrial at that. It has definitely NOT been on the cards for decades, as you claim, to have eastern Canberra as the ‘industrial corridor.’ In fact, the relevant ACT Govt Directorate attended Tuggeranong Community Council only a year or two ago to tout its daft ideas of making the Monaro Hwy an industrial corridor – something the NCA should be overriding them on, given that the Monaro is a major entrance into Canberra.
It is clearly smart to plan for essential whole-of-city infrastructure, such as the ones I mentioned above, in available greenfields land so they can be planned and prioritised according to community needs. Unfortunately, the hallmark of successive ACT Governments has been to prioritise government greed (by maximising residential land sales) instead of the best interests of the community, and treat existing residents like crap by attempting to retro-fit completely inappropriate developments in and near existing residential areas.
Finally, no one actually lives that close to the tip, and no one in the aforementioned suburbs actually suffered from any bad smells from the tip until a few years ago. No one should be affected by tip smells at all, and certainly not smells of the magnitude that have occurred in the last week or two. It is therefore completely reasonable for people living in the affected suburbs, which have been there since the 1980s, to raise complaints.

Incorrect.
There are plenty of areas in Canberra that are incompatible with residential land uses. Things such as proximity to industrial emissions, airports, environmental constraints etc all place limitations on what can be done in certain areas.
What exact location do you think would be suitable for a tip in the Molonglo Valley? It’s a fairly steep region leading down to the river, the chance for odour issues for a tip in the area would be enormous and the buffer zone required would be large. The Mugga Lane site is clearly the best site currently available.

You are correct that no one should have to put up with consistent long term smells from the tip due to its fairly remote location and I don’t think anyone has said this will be a long term problem.
As the current smells are related to short term work being carried out, I dint think it’s unreasonable for residents to be accommodating in the short term for works at this essential facility.

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Chewy, your conclusions are completely incorrect – first, and obviously, all land in the ACT is potentially ‘high quality and valuable residential land’ as you put it – it depends on planning (or lack thereof) what happens to it.
Second, originally only Fyshwick was intended as industrial – and only light industrial at that. It has definitely NOT been on the cards for decades, as you claim, to have eastern Canberra as the ‘industrial corridor.’ In fact, the relevant ACT Govt Directorate attended Tuggeranong Community Council only a year or two ago to tout its daft ideas of making the Monaro Hwy an industrial corridor – something the NCA should be overriding them on, given that the Monaro is a major entrance into Canberra.
It is clearly smart to plan for essential whole-of-city infrastructure, such as the ones I mentioned above, in available greenfields land so they can be planned and prioritised according to community needs. Unfortunately, the hallmark of successive ACT Governments has been to prioritise government greed (by maximising residential land sales) instead of the best interests of the community, and treat existing residents like crap by attempting to retro-fit completely inappropriate developments in and near existing residential areas.
Finally, no one actually lives that close to the tip, and no one in the aforementioned suburbs actually suffered from any bad smells from the tip until a few years ago. No one should be affected by tip smells at all, and certainly not smells of the magnitude that have occurred in the last week or two. It is therefore completely reasonable for people living in the affected suburbs, which have been there since the 1980s, to raise complaints.

Well, if there were any put in Lake Tuggers, I can tell you they don’t work.

kambahkid said :

Look on the bright side people…isn’t it nice to know we don’t live in the sanitised city everybody who doesn’t live here thinks we do? Lake Tuggers has been pretty rank of late, too.

What happened to those “egg-beaters” that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars that were supposed to solve the algal bloom problems?

Maybe they should make it an astroturf only tip. Shouldnt you three be on holiday now, or do staffers get no time off?

Look on the bright side people…isn’t it nice to know we don’t live in the sanitised city everybody who doesn’t live here thinks we do? Lake Tuggers has been pretty rank of late, too.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
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Bus dead running is a whole of Territory issue, comrade. How about a comment on the possible consequences of the smell getting into the AMC?

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
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chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

I didn’t know that Yass used the dump as well ( this is why reading Riot is so educational )
Seems a hell of a long way to cart rubbish.

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

EPA are now involved and confirm that the problem will not be fixed until mid-January 2015.
Another epic TAMS failure.
The smell will linger on until the 2016 election.

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues.

Its aweful.

I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it.

What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ?

Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

So you choose to live near a tip and then want a discount on rates because it smells? As Joe Hockey would say sense of entitlement or what?

Did you some how thing the tip would get smaller or something?

1) Its not ‘near” – its Kilometres away.

You make it sound as if we live on top of it.

2) Its got nothing to do with “entitlement” – its about reasonableness.

3) No one would enviaged that this hopeless & inept ACT Govt would have closed some tips and consolidated them and future expansion, into Mugga Lane tip – near existing house, when they purchased in McArthur, Fadden and chisholm years ago. There must be plenty of tip sites/land available far away from existing houses in the ACT where a new tip can be established.

As usual in your posts, JC, you show great empathy and understanding of the plight of others.

Have a great (non smelly) XMAS !

What is there to be empathetic about. Your brought near an operational tip that had no closure date, which for the most part it doesn’t smell but occasionally it does. Shock horror.

As for getting a reduction in your rates, no doubt being so close the tip the original land cost would have been lower and the current land value would be lower hence the rates would be lower.

Oh BTW for what it is worth I am in the same boat. I brought in Dunlop 14 years ago knowing full well there was not only a rubbish tip but a hazardous waste tip just across the fields. Oh and Parkwood eggs. With that in mind my land value was certainly lower and when it was operating as a general tip occasionally there would be a smell. But unlike you lot I didn’t go blaming anyone else, it was my decision to build there. Of course the general waste tip closed, for me more of a hindrance that help because it now means to dump shit I need to drive to the transfer station at Mitchell or go to Mugga Lane.

What amuses me about my neighborhood NIMBY’s is how many are up in arms about Mr Fluffy asbestos going to be dumped a West Belconnen, oblivious to th fact that the asbestos dump has been operational there for a good 20+ years, so really no shock they are planning to dump it there. But do you see me whinging about it?

This is not a nimby issue.

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues.

Its aweful.

I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it.

What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ?

Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

So you choose to live near a tip and then want a discount on rates because it smells? As Joe Hockey would say sense of entitlement or what?

Did you some how thing the tip would get smaller or something?

1) Its not ‘near” – its Kilometres away.

You make it sound as if we live on top of it.

2) Its got nothing to do with “entitlement” – its about reasonableness.

3) No one would enviaged that this hopeless & inept ACT Govt would have closed some tips and consolidated them and future expansion, into Mugga Lane tip – near existing house, when they purchased in McArthur, Fadden and chisholm years ago. There must be plenty of tip sites/land available far away from existing houses in the ACT where a new tip can be established.

As usual in your posts, JC, you show great empathy and understanding of the plight of others.

Have a great (non smelly) XMAS !

What is there to be empathetic about. Your brought near an operational tip that had no closure date, which for the most part it doesn’t smell but occasionally it does. Shock horror.

As for getting a reduction in your rates, no doubt being so close the tip the original land cost would have been lower and the current land value would be lower hence the rates would be lower.

Oh BTW for what it is worth I am in the same boat. I brought in Dunlop 14 years ago knowing full well there was not only a rubbish tip but a hazardous waste tip just across the fields. Oh and Parkwood eggs. With that in mind my land value was certainly lower and when it was operating as a general tip occasionally there would be a smell. But unlike you lot I didn’t go blaming anyone else, it was my decision to build there. Of course the general waste tip closed, for me more of a hindrance that help because it now means to dump shit I need to drive to the transfer station at Mitchell or go to Mugga Lane.

What amuses me about my neighborhood NIMBY’s is how many are up in arms about Mr Fluffy asbestos going to be dumped a West Belconnen, oblivious to th fact that the asbestos dump has been operational there for a good 20+ years, so really no shock they are planning to dump it there. But do you see me whinging about it?

pajs said :

rommeldog56 said :

3) No one would enviaged that this hopeless & inept ACT Govt would have closed some tips and consolidated them and future expansion, into Mugga Lane tip – near existing house, when they purchased in McArthur, Fadden and chisholm years ago. There must be plenty of tip sites/land available far away from existing houses in the ACT where a new tip can be established.

No, not really. Mugga is far and away the best tip site the territory has. It is not easy to establish new sites and much easier to work with existing ones, adding new cells as needed. It should be possible to manage that site to produce minimal odour, especially if setbacks to residential developments are maintained and encroachment prevented. They are having a bit of difficulty with odour control now, as I understand it, because they’ve had to excavate some areas previously filled in order to bring forward the development of new airspace. Behind that were problems with accurately predicting the draw down of past airspace. Managing landfills is not an easy task and predicting what waste comes in and then the degree of compaction you’ll manage, and then how soon you’ll need to develop new airspace, is tricky.

Someone with a bit of common sense. Finally. But no doubt will fall on deaf self interested ears.

pajs said :

rommeldog56 said :

3) No one would enviaged that this hopeless & inept ACT Govt would have closed some tips and consolidated them and future expansion, into Mugga Lane tip – near existing house, when they purchased in McArthur, Fadden and chisholm years ago. There must be plenty of tip sites/land available far away from existing houses in the ACT where a new tip can be established.

No, not really. Mugga is far and away the best tip site the territory has. It is not easy to establish new sites and much easier to work with existing ones, adding new cells as needed. It should be possible to manage that site to produce minimal odour, especially if setbacks to residential developments are maintained and encroachment prevented. They are having a bit of difficulty with odour control now, as I understand it, because they’ve had to excavate some areas previously filled in order to bring forward the development of new airspace. Behind that were problems with accurately predicting the draw down of past airspace. Managing landfills is not an easy task and predicting what waste comes in and then the degree of compaction you’ll manage, and then how soon you’ll need to develop new airspace, is tricky.

If it is “far and away the best tip site the Territory has” – then so be it. But i find that extremely difficult to believe.

Fully agree that the smell should be manageable – its the ongoing silence about it from Ministers/MLAs, etc, that gets up my nose (pun intended !). Ratepayers and voters are literally treated like rubbish – again ! Why not a letter box drop by the ACT Gov’t or the contractor ? Some sort of contact advising of an end date (if there is one) to the small – even, dare I say it – apologising and asking for the forbearance of affected suburbs till it passes ? Again, nothing.

If they can manage the smell, that would be a step in the right direction – but given recent increasing incidences of said “smells”, I have my doubts actually.

The Mugga Lane tip is out of the line of sight of most residences anyway – though it is still a terrible eyesore from a main arterial into Canberra. This remains a very poor planning decision by the ACT Gov’t.

pajs said :

rommeldog56 said :

3) No one would enviaged that this hopeless & inept ACT Govt would have closed some tips and consolidated them and future expansion, into Mugga Lane tip – near existing house, when they purchased in McArthur, Fadden and chisholm years ago. There must be plenty of tip sites/land available far away from existing houses in the ACT where a new tip can be established.

No, not really. Mugga is far and away the best tip site the territory has. It is not easy to establish new sites and much easier to work with existing ones, adding new cells as needed. It should be possible to manage that site to produce minimal odour, especially if setbacks to residential developments are maintained and encroachment prevented. They are having a bit of difficulty with odour control now, as I understand it, because they’ve had to excavate some areas previously filled in order to bring forward the development of new airspace. Behind that were problems with accurately predicting the draw down of past airspace. Managing landfills is not an easy task and predicting what waste comes in and then the degree of compaction you’ll manage, and then how soon you’ll need to develop new airspace, is tricky.

It’s not only the best tip site the Territory has, it’s also the best site for the region with Queanbeyan and Yass using it as well. Why is this so?
I no longer believe that it is sustainable to have a tip in the geographical centre of Canberra. The compost recycling facility also continues to expand with a commensurate increase in offensive odours.
I think the case for extending the tip was a sham too.
The current situation has nothing to do with “airspace”; it is the result of bad planning and management – the presence of buried garbage should have been known before the excavations were considered.
The smell will persist because if they cover the recently exposed garbage they will not be able to accept “fresh” garbage (that means no garbage collection).

rommeldog56 said :

3) No one would enviaged that this hopeless & inept ACT Govt would have closed some tips and consolidated them and future expansion, into Mugga Lane tip – near existing house, when they purchased in McArthur, Fadden and chisholm years ago. There must be plenty of tip sites/land available far away from existing houses in the ACT where a new tip can be established.

No, not really. Mugga is far and away the best tip site the territory has. It is not easy to establish new sites and much easier to work with existing ones, adding new cells as needed. It should be possible to manage that site to produce minimal odour, especially if setbacks to residential developments are maintained and encroachment prevented. They are having a bit of difficulty with odour control now, as I understand it, because they’ve had to excavate some areas previously filled in order to bring forward the development of new airspace. Behind that were problems with accurately predicting the draw down of past airspace. Managing landfills is not an easy task and predicting what waste comes in and then the degree of compaction you’ll manage, and then how soon you’ll need to develop new airspace, is tricky.

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues.

Its aweful.

I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it.

What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ?

Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

So you choose to live near a tip and then want a discount on rates because it smells? As Joe Hockey would say sense of entitlement or what?

Did you some how thing the tip would get smaller or something?

The smells from the tip have only been around for the last couple of years. If the situation were to continue, property prices would decline which could open the door for compensation beyond rate reductions.
One cannot even have a barbecue in the backyard when the pong pervades.
I have spoken with a number of people in the said suburbs and none can recall getting any contact from the consultants who conducted the EIS for the tip expansion despite claims to the contrary in the EIS report given to the ACT Government.

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues.

Its aweful.

I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it.

What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ?

Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

So you choose to live near a tip and then want a discount on rates because it smells? As Joe Hockey would say sense of entitlement or what?

Did you some how thing the tip would get smaller or something?

1) Its not ‘near” – its Kilometres away. You make it sound as if we live on top of it.

2) Its got nothing to do with “entitlement” – its about reasonableness.

3) No one would enviaged that this hopeless & inept ACT Govt would have closed some tips and consolidated them and future expansion, into Mugga Lane tip – near existing house, when they purchased in McArthur, Fadden and chisholm years ago. There must be plenty of tip sites/land available far away from existing houses in the ACT where a new tip can be established.

As usual in your posts, JC, you show great empathy and understanding of the plight of others. Have a great (non smelly) XMAS !

watto23 said :

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues.

Its aweful.

I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it.

What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ?

Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

So you choose to live near a tip and then want a discount on rates because it smells? As Joe Hockey would say sense of entitlement or what?

Did you some how thing the tip would get smaller or something?

I reckon the Tralee is going to cop it worse. Aircraft noise is the least of their problems. I used to live in Gowrie and it really wasn’t that bad, but the other day I was in Hume and it was awful.
The pollies won’t do anything now, its in their quiet period, the next ACT election is just under 2 years away. doing things now doesn’t win votes, promising to do them at an election is what wins votes!!

That said there are sewerage ventilation pipes or something on the back of Mt Stranger. Get them on a bad day and it stinks also in Bonython. Still the views are nice so i’ll survive.

TAMS insists it sent a media release to all media outlets on 12/12/14 but I must have missed it.
I don’t think TAMS will give a tinker’s cuss about Tralee as it is across the border in NSW.

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues.

Its aweful.

I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it.

What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ?

Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

So you choose to live near a tip and then want a discount on rates because it smells? As Joe Hockey would say sense of entitlement or what?

Did you some how thing the tip would get smaller or something?

I reckon the Tralee is going to cop it worse. Aircraft noise is the least of their problems. I used to live in Gowrie and it really wasn’t that bad, but the other day I was in Hume and it was awful.
The pollies won’t do anything now, its in their quiet period, the next ACT election is just under 2 years away. doing things now doesn’t win votes, promising to do them at an election is what wins votes!!

That said there are sewerage ventilation pipes or something on the back of Mt Stranger. Get them on a bad day and it stinks also in Bonython. Still the views are nice so i’ll survive.

rommeldog56 said :

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues.

Its aweful.

I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it.

What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ?

Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

So you choose to live near a tip and then want a discount on rates because it smells? As Joe Hockey would say sense of entitlement or what?

Did you some how thing the tip would get smaller or something?

rommeldog56 said :

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues.

Its aweful.

I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it.

What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ?

Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

I have been keeping a log since 9/12/14 (the latest chronic smell started at least a week earlier).
The problem is worst when the wind is blowing from ENE, E or perfectly calm conditions.
The only occurrence today (until 9.30pm tonight) was at 7.30am with wind E @9kmh.
Winds today have been predominantly from N so there has been no problem again (until now).
TAMS claim in their media release of 12/12/2014 that the landfill contractor is deploying “an odour suppressing machine”.
Hey, Mr Landfill Contractor, it doesn’t work!
I am considering putting some dog poo on my upper lip to mask the smell from the tip.
I have been phoning Canberra Connect and I know a lot of other people have been also. All they can do is “pass it on” but no one ever phones back.
Has anybody got the TAMS minister’s private phone number?

Well, with this hot weather, the smell continues. Its aweful. I dunno why the affected residents in McArthur, Fadden, Chisholm, etc havent formed an action group about it. What will the smell be like in abother 5 years or so as the Mugga Lane tip grows ? Or is this a “transitional” smell ?

What will this do for the value of those affected homes ? Will we get a discount off our tripled Annual Rates to compensate. Pigs might fly.

Maybe whats needed is a “Mr Smelly” compensation/buyback scheme ?

Where are the Chief Ministers and the TAMS media people in all this ? Not a word.

Where are the Tuggeranong Labor and Liberal MLAs. Not a word either. What about the Tuggeranong Community Council ?

Its disgusting.

rommeldog56 said :

miz said :

Woke up to the godawful tip smell this morning – it smells like what you would imagine the Walking Dead would smell like on Smell-o-vision, i.e. retchville. I am several kms away. I have been here since 2000 and the smells only started a few years ago.

I am a gardener, and proper compost does not smell unpleasant like the horrible smell we are suffering at present.

Surely they do not have to do these works at Christmas when people are on leave and have interstate visitors, when the could do it over January when half of Canberra is down the coast? Eejits.

Who are the Labor MLAs representing Tuggeranong ?

As i recall, Mick Gentleman is one.

So, where are they on this issue ?

MIA as usual when it comes to representing Tuggeranong and doing something about this appaling smell from the Mugga Lane tip.

Thanks guys – your lack of visability is noted. Maybe if Tuggers had of voted Labor at the last ACT election things would be different on a number of issues !

MERC600 said :

Well I do wonder what visitors to our town must think, as they drive past the Rose Cottage roundabout; which is choked up with tall weeds, then hit the pong from the tip. They must think we are broke.

I wish someone would hammer in a sign saying sorry about all this, but we need the cash to increase our local assembly.

“They must think we are broke.”
Go to link in #34.
All the parks and gardens resources appear to tied up at the odourless arrboretum.
What the hell are they building there now?

rommeldog56 said :

miz said :

Woke up to the godawful tip smell this morning – it smells like what you would imagine the Walking Dead would smell like on Smell-o-vision, i.e. retchville. I am several kms away. I have been here since 2000 and the smells only started a few years ago.

I am a gardener, and proper compost does not smell unpleasant like the horrible smell we are suffering at present.

Surely they do not have to do these works at Christmas when people are on leave and have interstate visitors, when the could do it over January when half of Canberra is down the coast? Eejits.

Who are the Labor MLAs representing Tuggeranong ?

As i recall, Mick Gentleman is one.

So, where are they on this issue ?

MIA as usual when it comes to representing Tuggeranong and doing something about this appaling smell from the Mugga Lane tip.

Thanks guys – your lack of visability is noted. Maybe if Tuggers had of voted Labor at the last ACT election things would be different on a number of issues !

Three Liberal MLAs live in the “smell zone” (Fadden, Macarthur & Chisolm) – I think Gentleman lives down Calwell way.
The ACT Government must not underestimate the powers of FOI in relation to the timing of approval of the extra 30 year life of the Mugga Way garbage tip. The EIS recognised there would be a smell problem and wide community consultation was allegedly undertaken yet I know no one who received any contact about it.
As I said, more than a stinking rat here but don’t expect the Canberra Times to do one of their “exclusive investigations”.

Hee, hee, not at fault. I compost.

MERC600 said :

Well I do wonder what visitors to our town must think, as they drive past the Rose Cottage roundabout; which is choked up with tall weeds, then hit the pong from the tip. They must think we are broke.

I wish someone would hammer in a sign saying sorry about all this, but we need the cash to increase our local assembly.

Sad LOL at that.
I don’t remember the pong all the way out to the highway being as bad as it has been in recent days.

Well I do wonder what visitors to our town must think, as they drive past the Rose Cottage roundabout; which is choked up with tall weeds, then hit the pong from the tip. They must think we are broke.

I wish someone would hammer in a sign saying sorry about all this, but we need the cash to increase our local assembly.

miz said :

Woke up to the godawful tip smell this morning – it smells like what you would imagine the Walking Dead would smell like on Smell-o-vision, i.e. retchville. I am several kms away. I have been here since 2000 and the smells only started a few years ago.

I am a gardener, and proper compost does not smell unpleasant like the horrible smell we are suffering at present.

Surely they do not have to do these works at Christmas when people are on leave and have interstate visitors, when the could do it over January when half of Canberra is down the coast? Eejits.

Who are the Labor MLAs representing Tuggeranong ? As i recall, Mick Gentleman is one.

So, where are they on this issue ? MIA as usual when it comes to representing Tuggeranong and doing something about this appaling smell from the Mugga Lane tip.

Thanks guys – your lack of visability is noted. Maybe if Tuggers had of voted Labor at the last ACT election things would be different on a number of issues !

Woke up to the godawful tip smell this morning – it smells like what you would imagine the Walking Dead would smell like on Smell-o-vision, i.e. retchville. I am several kms away. I have been here since 2000 and the smells only started a few years ago.

I am a gardener, and proper compost does not smell unpleasant like the horrible smell we are suffering at present.

Surely they do not have to do these works at Christmas when people are on leave and have interstate visitors, when the could do it over January when half of Canberra is down the coast? Eejits.

dungfungus said :

Residents in Fadden, Macarthur and Chisholm are already copping “au de Mugga” and “Corkhill cocktail” smells on a regular basis. There is a blame game between TAMS and Thiess as to whose fault is is but at the end of the day (and early in the day) the smell lingers on.
I tried to download the EIS “draft” (funny one) but it doesn’t happen.
Could be a large community protest from the aforementioned suburbs about this. What pisses me off is that a ranger from TAMS told me before the election that this was going to happen “after the election”.
The Greens aren’t even bothered by all the hydraulic oil going into our waterways from the leaky seals in the garbage and recycling trucks used in Canberra (check the roadside next time your bin is lifted if you don’t believe it is a problem).

The smell is now unbearable.
Calls to Canberra Connect say the EPA refuse to have anything to do with it and all complaints (and there are many) should be directed to TAMS who put out a media release 12/12/14 http://www.cmd.act.gov.au/open_government/inform/act_government_media_releases/tamsd/2014/mugga-lane-to-resume-accepting-acts-waste
Unfortunately, none of the media that I read have re-published it not that it is going to alleviate our daily suffering.
I smell more than a rat about this.

p1 said :

Another vote for Woodlawn.

That place has a lot going for it as land fill. About the only serious downside is the distance, but as already stated, most of that distance is travelled via rail. Domestic dumping of waste at Mitchell is already containerised and relocated, so it wouldn’t even be a whole new system for Canberra – just and expansion and a train loading point.

Of course, putting up some fence, moving dirt around then dumping crap is probably a lot cheaper then whatever NSW state rail and Veoliaes will charge.

What goes into the trucks at Mitchell is drop in the ocean compared to the trucks that go to Mugga Lane and last time I looked the skips or what ever you want to call them at Mitchell are not really suitable for loading onto a train, so a new system would be required.

p1 said :

NOTHING is going to be economically viable (compared to dumping the crap right next to the existing tip) if your definition of “viable” is “cheaper then just dumping the crap right next to the old tip”.

Upgrading the rail line would have plenty of other benefits to society as a whole to…

Now considering we are talking about the existing line from Canberra to Goulburn, what are the other benefits of upgrading? If you forgot about trains to Tarago and wanted an upgraded line to Sydney then yes there would be some social benefit, but a line like that would avoid Tarago altogether so not suitable for this purpose.

p1 said :

dungfungus said :

Unfortunately, freight by rail out of Canberra is no longer available unless the rail track is upgraded and for garbage alone this would not be economically viable. It would be cheaper to extend the proposed City to Gungahlin “light” rail to Woodlawn.

NOTHING is going to be economically viable (compared to dumping the crap right next to the existing tip) if your definition of “viable” is “cheaper then just dumping the crap right next to the old tip”.

dungfungus said :

Unfortunately, freight by rail out of Canberra is no longer available unless the rail track is upgraded and for garbage alone this would not be economically viable. It would be cheaper to extend the proposed City to Gungahlin “light” rail to Woodlawn.

NOTHING is going to be economically viable (compared to dumping the crap right next to the existing tip) if your definition of “viable” is “cheaper then just dumping the crap right next to the old tip”.

Upgrading the rail line would have plenty of other benefits to society as a whole to…

…

“Upgrading the rail line would have plenty of other benefits to society as a whole to….”

Yeah, that’s why they closed it down for freight and the ACT Government plans to terminate it at Fyshwick so they can flog off the Kingston site to developers.

dungfungus said :

Unfortunately, freight by rail out of Canberra is no longer available unless the rail track is upgraded and for garbage alone this would not be economically viable. It would be cheaper to extend the proposed City to Gungahlin “light” rail to Woodlawn.

NOTHING is going to be economically viable (compared to dumping the crap right next to the existing tip) if your definition of “viable” is “cheaper then just dumping the crap right next to the old tip”.

Upgrading the rail line would have plenty of other benefits to society as a whole to…

p1 said :

Another vote for Woodlawn.

That place has a lot going for it as land fill. About the only serious downside is the distance, but as already stated, most of that distance is travelled via rail. Domestic dumping of waste at Mitchell is already containerised and relocated, so it wouldn’t even be a whole new system for Canberra – just and expansion and a train loading point.

Of course, putting up some fence, moving dirt around then dumping crap is probably a lot cheaper then whatever NSW state rail and Veoliaes will charge.

Unfortunately, freight by rail out of Canberra is no longer available unless the rail track is upgraded and for garbage alone this would not be economically viable. It would be cheaper to extend the proposed City to Gungahlin “light” rail to Woodlawn.

Another vote for Woodlawn.

That place has a lot going for it as land fill. About the only serious downside is the distance, but as already stated, most of that distance is travelled via rail. Domestic dumping of waste at Mitchell is already containerised and relocated, so it wouldn’t even be a whole new system for Canberra – just and expansion and a train loading point.

Of course, putting up some fence, moving dirt around then dumping crap is probably a lot cheaper then whatever NSW state rail and Veoliaes will charge.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

cranky said :

dungfungus said :

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Woodlawn (Crisp’s Creek) is on the rail line from Queanbeyan to Goulburn. We would only have to containerise our waste at Hume, right next to the existing ‘waste management Centre’, to avail ourselves of the Woodlawn solution.

The ACT Gov seems to have a blind eye to this disposal method, preferring to fill Mugga for the forseeable future.

Currently, there are 106 x 2way heavy truck trips each day from the Crisps Creek intermodel to the Woodlawn biohole; almost 5,000 tonnes of garbage a day.
Sydney has now run out of landfill sites so they want to double the amount of containerised garbage sent every day to Woodlawn (via the Crisps Creek intermodal). This will lead to a commensurate increase in heavy truck activity in the Tarago region and a lot of objections will be forthcoming.
I understand that Queanbeyan is still sending their garbage to the Mugga Lane landfill. Can anyone confirm this and explain why is this so?

Probably because it is closer and cheaper than trucking it to Tarago. So you seem to dislike Mugga Lane, you seem to have issues with Woodlawn, so where exactly do you expect the rubbish to go?

Where do I expect the rubbish to go?
Well, there is a huge worked out quarry on the western side of Mount Mugga (just north of the existing landfill).
It is a bit of an eyesore so, over time, wouldn’t it be a good thing if it were filled with garbage and revegetated?
I am sure the millionaire residents of East O’Malley wouldn’t mind the occassional whiff of crappy nappies.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Re: be scared of asbestos and other nasties being dumped near you.

Get educated, unless you go on site with a hammer or grinder or something and smash up asbestos sheets then go rolling around in it, you have nothing to fear.

Your correct, it poses no danger, especially as it is wrapped up and buried. Do bear in mind however that the dump also has loose fill asbestos insulation which doesn’t need to be broken up, but as mentioned it is wrapped and buried so doesn’t pose any danger.

Having said that I don’t recall anyone being scared of it, it was just a statement of fact, and if I was scared I would not have brought in Dunlop in the first place. Same too with the dump if I had of been worried about smells I wouldn’t have brought here either, because again I brought knowing what was just over the paddock, yep a dump, a high voltage sub-station and parkwood eggs.

PS 54-11 have I disapointed you or lived up to your expectation? Though I think in this case I can point the finger at a clear NIMBY and also relate to them too having also brought and lived near a dump.

Re: be scared of asbestos and other nasties being dumped near you.

Get educated, unless you go on site with a hammer or grinder or something and smash up asbestos sheets then go rolling around in it, you have nothing to fear.

We are also hosts to two Yass Valley Council compacter trucks most week days. I assume they are dumping at the tip.

dungfungus said :

cranky said :

dungfungus said :

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Woodlawn (Crisp’s Creek) is on the rail line from Queanbeyan to Goulburn. We would only have to containerise our waste at Hume, right next to the existing ‘waste management Centre’, to avail ourselves of the Woodlawn solution.

The ACT Gov seems to have a blind eye to this disposal method, preferring to fill Mugga for the forseeable future.

Currently, there are 106 x 2way heavy truck trips each day from the Crisps Creek intermodel to the Woodlawn biohole; almost 5,000 tonnes of garbage a day.
Sydney has now run out of landfill sites so they want to double the amount of containerised garbage sent every day to Woodlawn (via the Crisps Creek intermodal). This will lead to a commensurate increase in heavy truck activity in the Tarago region and a lot of objections will be forthcoming.
I understand that Queanbeyan is still sending their garbage to the Mugga Lane landfill. Can anyone confirm this and explain why is this so?

Probably because it is closer and cheaper than trucking it to Tarago. So you seem to dislike Mugga Lane, you seem to have issues with Woodlawn, so where exactly do you expect the rubbish to go?

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Those suburbs are hardly “next to the tip” as it was called then and I recall 20 years ago they also had a “landfill” at North Belconnen which regularly caught fire and all the Belco nimbies copped the smoke and smell. That tip was closed down for the reason just cited.
I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region. That way I know there will be a balance between north and south in that while northies can send their domestic waste down south us southies can send our human waste and the smell up north!

I used to live in Macgregor, and to this day live in Dunlop in full view of what was once the tip.

Just two clarifications though the tip was not closed due to smells or complaints from residents, it was closed because it reached capacity and secondly there were fires but those fires were in the tyre dump. With the capacity issue it was a bit hard to expand when there is a river on one side, the NSW border on another and a golf course on another. But fear not it is still used for asbestos and some other nasties.

Also I just had a look at a map and parts of Fadden and Mcauthur are quite close to the Mugga Way tip, certainly closer than Macgregor was excluding “West Macgregor” as that wasn’t open when the tip was. Besides the point is still remains people moved to Fadden, Mcauthur etc knowing full well there was a tip behind the hill.

I said the Belconnen tip was closed because of the smoke and the smell. I was relating the smell to the smoke and it wasn’t only the tyres that were burning – some of the fires took weeks to extinguish.
If you can see the old tip from Dunlop you must be close to the old tip. I think Dunlop has been there for at least 15 years and I think the tip was still functional then so you may have also bought a house knowing there was a tip nearby. Even now, are you comfortable with “asbestos and other nasties” still being dumped there? By your own admission, you have moved closer to the tip site than you were before.
You acknowledge that there is a hill between the Mugga landfill and Fadden, Macarthur and perhaps Chisholm so we can’t see the source of the offensive smells and they have only started to occur over the past couple of years.
I believe it has a lot do do with the operational requirements of the garbage contractor who has to cover the garbage with topsoil after the landfill closes every day. This simply isn’t being done.
Next time I press the flush button I will be thinking of you, JC.

Ahh clearly a NIMBY who brought knowing full well the tip was there. Just because it didn’t smell then doesn’t mean it wasn’t going to smell later. I have no sympathy for you really.

Any yes the tip was still in operation when I moved to Dunlop again I brought in the full knowledge that it was there, I gather the land was cheaper as a result too.

But as I said before IT DID NOT CLOSE BECAUSE OF SMELLS AND COMPLAINTS FROM MACGREGOR AND HOLT RESIDENTS. IT CLOSED BECAUSE IT WAS AT CAPACITY AND COULDN’T EXPAND.

cranky said :

dungfungus said :

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Woodlawn (Crisp’s Creek) is on the rail line from Queanbeyan to Goulburn. We would only have to containerise our waste at Hume, right next to the existing ‘waste management Centre’, to avail ourselves of the Woodlawn solution.

The ACT Gov seems to have a blind eye to this disposal method, preferring to fill Mugga for the forseeable future.

Currently, there are 106 x 2way heavy truck trips each day from the Crisps Creek intermodel to the Woodlawn biohole; almost 5,000 tonnes of garbage a day.
Sydney has now run out of landfill sites so they want to double the amount of containerised garbage sent every day to Woodlawn (via the Crisps Creek intermodal). This will lead to a commensurate increase in heavy truck activity in the Tarago region and a lot of objections will be forthcoming.
I understand that Queanbeyan is still sending their garbage to the Mugga Lane landfill. Can anyone confirm this and explain why is this so?

dungfungus said :

I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region.

That’s “sewage treatment works”. “sewerage” is the pipes, “sewage” is what goes through the pipes.

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Those suburbs are hardly “next to the tip” as it was called then and I recall 20 years ago they also had a “landfill” at North Belconnen which regularly caught fire and all the Belco nimbies copped the smoke and smell. That tip was closed down for the reason just cited.
I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region. That way I know there will be a balance between north and south in that while northies can send their domestic waste down south us southies can send our human waste and the smell up north!

I used to live in Macgregor, and to this day live in Dunlop in full view of what was once the tip.

Just two clarifications though the tip was not closed due to smells or complaints from residents, it was closed because it reached capacity and secondly there were fires but those fires were in the tyre dump. With the capacity issue it was a bit hard to expand when there is a river on one side, the NSW border on another and a golf course on another. But fear not it is still used for asbestos and some other nasties.

Also I just had a look at a map and parts of Fadden and Mcauthur are quite close to the Mugga Way tip, certainly closer than Macgregor was excluding “West Macgregor” as that wasn’t open when the tip was. Besides the point is still remains people moved to Fadden, Mcauthur etc knowing full well there was a tip behind the hill.

I said the Belconnen tip was closed because of the smoke and the smell. I was relating the smell to the smoke and it wasn’t only the tyres that were burning – some of the fires took weeks to extinguish.
If you can see the old tip from Dunlop you must be close to the old tip. I think Dunlop has been there for at least 15 years and I think the tip was still functional then so you may have also bought a house knowing there was a tip nearby. Even now, are you comfortable with “asbestos and other nasties” still being dumped there? By your own admission, you have moved closer to the tip site than you were before.
You acknowledge that there is a hill between the Mugga landfill and Fadden, Macarthur and perhaps Chisholm so we can’t see the source of the offensive smells and they have only started to occur over the past couple of years.
I believe it has a lot do do with the operational requirements of the garbage contractor who has to cover the garbage with topsoil after the landfill closes every day. This simply isn’t being done.
Next time I press the flush button I will be thinking of you, JC.

miz said :

As I’ve said before, the smells only started a couple of years ago, so what changed then? Is that when they started dumping roo carcasses nearby? Tthey really, REALLY have to do something about it. I live nowhere near it and can smell it some days, and it is truly gagworthy driving by on the Monaro.

Yeah I really don’t remember the Belconnen tip smelling the way the Mugga Lane one does now. When you were actually there on site it had a sort of ‘garbage bin’ smell, but it really didn’t travel that far and there wasn’t the sort of organic/decomposition smell that you get now around the Mugga Lane area.

dungfungus said :

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Those suburbs are hardly “next to the tip” as it was called then and I recall 20 years ago they also had a “landfill” at North Belconnen which regularly caught fire and all the Belco nimbies copped the smoke and smell. That tip was closed down for the reason just cited.
I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region. That way I know there will be a balance between north and south in that while northies can send their domestic waste down south us southies can send our human waste and the smell up north!

I used to live in Macgregor, and to this day live in Dunlop in full view of what was once the tip.

Just two clarifications though the tip was not closed due to smells or complaints from residents, it was closed because it reached capacity and secondly there were fires but those fires were in the tyre dump. With the capacity issue it was a bit hard to expand when there is a river on one side, the NSW border on another and a golf course on another. But fear not it is still used for asbestos and some other nasties.

Also I just had a look at a map and parts of Fadden and Mcauthur are quite close to the Mugga Way tip, certainly closer than Macgregor was excluding “West Macgregor” as that wasn’t open when the tip was. Besides the point is still remains people moved to Fadden, Mcauthur etc knowing full well there was a tip behind the hill.

As I’ve said before, the smells only started a couple of years ago, so what changed then? Is that when they started dumping roo carcasses nearby? Tthey really, REALLY have to do something about it. I live nowhere near it and can smell it some days, and it is truly gagworthy driving by on the Monaro.

dungfungus said :

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

Woodlawn (Crisp’s Creek) is on the rail line from Queanbeyan to Goulburn. We would only have to containerise our waste at Hume, right next to the existing ‘waste management Centre’, to avail ourselves of the Woodlawn solution.

The ACT Gov seems to have a blind eye to this disposal method, preferring to fill Mugga for the forseeable future.

54-11 said :

Just waiting for the anti-NIMBY brigade (Growling Ferret, JC, chewy13, Chop71, keijidosha, et al), to come out with their puerile and inane comments such as “suck it up, princess” to the Fadden, Macarthur and Chisholm residents who will be affected by this.

Right on!

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Those suburbs are hardly “next to the tip” as it was called then and I recall 20 years ago they also had a “landfill” at North Belconnen which regularly caught fire and all the Belco nimbies copped the smoke and smell. That tip was closed down for the reason just cited.
I hope the sewerage treatment works over Belconnen way expands well into the new suburbs in that region. That way I know there will be a balance between north and south in that while northies can send their domestic waste down south us southies can send our human waste and the smell up north!

JC said :

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

And the same with the airport. When the CIA opened, there were only biplanes flying around once a week but look at it now.

When did the tip first open? Yep well before Fadden, acarthur and Chisholm were built. So what right do they have to complain when they moved next to the tip?

Just waiting for the anti-NIMBY brigade (Growling Ferret, JC, chewy13, Chop71, keijidosha, et al), to come out with their puerile and inane comments such as “suck it up, princess” to the Fadden, Macarthur and Chisholm residents who will be affected by this.

driving past the tip yesterday seems that they have already started. stuff the consultation!

It STINKS most mornings in Fadden, I hope the residents fire up and make a big noise about this. I also think the recycling place has a lot to do with it. Drive past that with the wind going a certain way and its wicked bad. gag worthy.

Residents in Fadden, Macarthur and Chisholm are already copping “au de Mugga” and “Corkhill cocktail” smells on a regular basis. There is a blame game between TAMS and Thiess as to whose fault is is but at the end of the day (and early in the day) the smell lingers on.
I tried to download the EIS “draft” (funny one) but it doesn’t happen.
Could be a large community protest from the aforementioned suburbs about this. What pisses me off is that a ranger from TAMS told me before the election that this was going to happen “after the election”.
The Greens aren’t even bothered by all the hydraulic oil going into our waterways from the leaky seals in the garbage and recycling trucks used in Canberra (check the roadside next time your bin is lifted if you don’t believe it is a problem).

johnboy said :

Woodlawn’s on a rail line, so no harder than trucking the waste to Mugga Lane really

Woodlawn isn’t on a rail line actually. The Sydney garbage is railed to the Crisp’s Creek inter-modal south of Tarago and the containerised garbage is then trucked to the Woodlawn bio-hole.
If Canberra garbage was to go to Woodlawn it would only be viable to truck it all the way, unfortunately.

And just think there is a nice hole out at Woodlawn just getting the stuff there is hard.

So where are the useless Greens on this, huh? I bet there’s a heap of CFL globes going into the landfill because they haven’t bothers to make sure there’s proper collection facilities around town. I bet there’s heaps of stuff going to landfill that could be redirected elsewhere if the Greens shut up about their lefty social agenda and actually worked on some practical policies.

Can’t we just use the sun to incinerate our waste into power?