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Expanded Mugga Lane tip good for thirty years. DV305 out.

By johnboy 15 February 2013 92

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Environment and Sustainable Development have announced their intention to expand the landfill at the Mugga Lane tip:

“The existing landfill facility at Mugga Lane is expected to reach capacity in 2015–2016,” Mr Ponton said.

“We have excellent recycling systems in the ACT with 70% of our waste being recycled, but with the ACT producing a million tonnes of waste last year, we still need a landfill facility.

“ACT NOWaste investigated alternative landfill sites and consulted the community before choosing to expand the existing facility.

“Draft variation 305 proposes to amend the Territory Plan so the existing Mugga Lane landfill can be expanded onto the adjacent Jerrabomberra Block 2247.

“This proposal will meet the ACT landfill requirements for up to 30 years,” Mr Ponton said.

A draft EIS has also been done.

You’ve got until 5 April to make your thoughts known.


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dungfungus 7:53 am 15 Jan 15

After the smell ceased about 30th December 2014 (ACT Government’s Christmas present to residents of East Tuggeranong), it is back with a vengeance this morning.
Here we go again.

JC 5:49 pm 30 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

Well, Liebor will win the next election and all will be good again. The evil Liberals will pay for their sins.
We will then return to permanent budget surpluses like Wayne Swan promised (but never delivered – it was just another policy backflip afterall).

Promising surpluses was not a lie, it was a wrong prediction. Just like your mate Hockey made predications at the last budget about how much money they will make and spend and found that those predictions were well off the mark due to external factors. Not of GFC levels of course, heaven help us if the Liebrals had been in power during the GFC, I reckon the country would still be in recession.

How could we “still” be in recession if we never had one?

Quite true thanks of course to the Labor party and their stimulus package. If the Libs (see I shortened it so as to not confuse my contextual spell checker) then we would have no doubt gone into recession and would still be well in one and a lot lot lot worse off.

JC 5:47 pm 30 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

Who would want to be a “new” government in the ACT? You would never vote for them whether they were “electable” or not so stop trying to deflect the blame for ACT Labor’s self-inflicted problems onto the opposition because they don’t behave like an alternative government.

Actually I think it is quite a bad thing to have one party in power so long, just look at QLD under the Nationals.

And it may surprise you but when I lived in Sydney in 1995 I voted for the Fahey government. I would type the name of the party but you know when my contextual spell checker would do but lets say it was not the Labor party. That said Carr got in and became one of the longest running NSW Premiers, however as I said party in power too long, Labor should have been kicked out of power in the 2003 or 2007 elections, but of course the opposition was not electable. Just as the ACT opposition party isn’t either.

dungfungus 10:56 am 30 Dec 14

JC said :

dungfungus said :

Well, Liebor will win the next election and all will be good again. The evil Liberals will pay for their sins.
We will then return to permanent budget surpluses like Wayne Swan promised (but never delivered – it was just another policy backflip afterall).

Promising surpluses was not a lie, it was a wrong prediction. Just like your mate Hockey made predications at the last budget about how much money they will make and spend and found that those predictions were well off the mark due to external factors. Not of GFC levels of course, heaven help us if the Liebrals had been in power during the GFC, I reckon the country would still be in recession.

How could we “still” be in recession if we never had one?

dungfungus 10:26 am 30 Dec 14

JC said :

dungfungus said :

And I will tell you again that it doesn’t matter what the ACT Liberals want to do as they are not in power nor will they ever be.

Can but hope they won’t get into government, and yes actually it does matter. If they want to be the new government it is time they acted like an electable alternative government rather than be an opposition party. You do know in politics that oppositions are not there to oppose all and sundry, it is just the name given to the party/coalition with the 2nd largest number of seats.

Who would want to be a “new” government in the ACT? You would never vote for them whether they were “electable” or not so stop trying to deflect the blame for ACT Labor’s self-inflicted problems onto the opposition because they don’t behave like an alternative government.

dungfungus 10:17 am 30 Dec 14

JC said :

dungfungus said :

Well, Liebor will win the next election and all will be good again. The evil Liberals will pay for their sins.
We will then return to permanent budget surpluses like Wayne Swan promised (but never delivered – it was just another policy backflip afterall).

Promising surpluses was not a lie, it was a wrong prediction. Just like your mate Hockey made predications at the last budget about how much money they will make and spend and found that those predictions were well off the mark due to external factors. Not of GFC levels of course, heaven help us if the Liebrals had been in power during the GFC, I reckon the country would still be in recession.

Lie = bad
Bad prediction = good

PS: Hockey isn’t my mate, comrade.

JC 10:01 am 30 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

Well, Liebor will win the next election and all will be good again. The evil Liberals will pay for their sins.
We will then return to permanent budget surpluses like Wayne Swan promised (but never delivered – it was just another policy backflip afterall).

Promising surpluses was not a lie, it was a wrong prediction. Just like your mate Hockey made predications at the last budget about how much money they will make and spend and found that those predictions were well off the mark due to external factors. Not of GFC levels of course, heaven help us if the Liebrals had been in power during the GFC, I reckon the country would still be in recession.

JC 9:58 am 30 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

And I will tell you again that it doesn’t matter what the ACT Liberals want to do as they are not in power nor will they ever be.

Can but hope they won’t get into government, and yes actually it does matter. If they want to be the new government it is time they acted like an electable alternative government rather than be an opposition party. You do know in politics that oppositions are not there to oppose all and sundry, it is just the name given to the party/coalition with the 2nd largest number of seats.

justin heywood 9:12 am 30 Dec 14

JC said :

I am surprised to have to ‘spell it out’ but ‘Liebral’ is not a spelling mistake, it is an intentional way……

….and oh how the Left sneered at the rednecks with their juvenile ‘Juliar’ posters.

dungfungus 8:59 am 30 Dec 14

JC said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

Yes JC, Hume has been there since the 1980s but I understand it was only meant to be a small pocket of light industrial warehouses, not part of a ‘industrial corridor’ (the corridor thing being quite recent). Mitchell is similar, and we all know about the other light industrial pockets in Phillip and Belco.
Dungfungus, I am surprised to have to ‘spell it out’ but ‘Liebral’ is not a spelling mistake, it is an intentional way of noting the proliferation of lies being spouted by the Liberals (though IMHO such a tactic is mainly applicable to the fed govt and this is a local govt issue).

You mean like “Liebor”?

Your originality cracks me up. But if we want to count lies, the whole of the 2013 federal campaign was based on lies. The supposed lie by Gillard on the other hand, if you want to call it a lie was just 1, but of course if you look at the definition of a lie, her supposed lie was not a lie, just a policy backflip. A lie needs intent to misslead, Liebral 2013 was one big attempt and lie.

Well, Liebor will win the next election and all will be good again. The evil Liberals will pay for their sins.
We will then return to permanent budget surpluses like Wayne Swan promised (but never delivered – it was just another policy backflip afterall).

dungfungus 8:54 am 30 Dec 14

JC said :

dungfungus said :

AAA credit rating? Leahman Bros. had one of those as well.
“Best debt” in the world? Is that better than the substantial credit they started with?
Have you read what the ACT auditor said last week about ACT’s parlous financial situation? Are you comfortable about the almost $5 billion unfunded superannuation owing to ACT public servants? (hope you are one of them).

Best debit, yep happy with that, because the alternative would have been much much worse, just like the Liebral party is leading us now.

As for the ACT no I am not an ACT public servant, but got to ask the same question I’ve asked before these issues you have, how would ACT Liebral do any different?

And I will tell you again that it doesn’t matter what the ACT Liberals want to do as they are not in power nor will they ever be.

JC 1:07 am 30 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

AAA credit rating? Leahman Bros. had one of those as well.
“Best debt” in the world? Is that better than the substantial credit they started with?
Have you read what the ACT auditor said last week about ACT’s parlous financial situation? Are you comfortable about the almost $5 billion unfunded superannuation owing to ACT public servants? (hope you are one of them).

Best debit, yep happy with that, because the alternative would have been much much worse, just like the Liebral party is leading us now.

As for the ACT no I am not an ACT public servant, but got to ask the same question I’ve asked before these issues you have, how would ACT Liebral do any different?

JC 1:05 am 30 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

miz said :

Yes JC, Hume has been there since the 1980s but I understand it was only meant to be a small pocket of light industrial warehouses, not part of a ‘industrial corridor’ (the corridor thing being quite recent). Mitchell is similar, and we all know about the other light industrial pockets in Phillip and Belco.
Dungfungus, I am surprised to have to ‘spell it out’ but ‘Liebral’ is not a spelling mistake, it is an intentional way of noting the proliferation of lies being spouted by the Liberals (though IMHO such a tactic is mainly applicable to the fed govt and this is a local govt issue).

You mean like “Liebor”?

Your originality cracks me up. But if we want to count lies, the whole of the 2013 federal campaign was based on lies. The supposed lie by Gillard on the other hand, if you want to call it a lie was just 1, but of course if you look at the definition of a lie, her supposed lie was not a lie, just a policy backflip. A lie needs intent to misslead, Liebral 2013 was one big attempt and lie.

dungfungus 9:00 pm 28 Dec 14

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
,

Bus dead running is a whole of Territory issue, comrade
. How about a comment on the possible consequences of the smell getting into the AMC?

As is always the case you have missed my question which is what the Liebrals would do differently considering you think this is some Labor party punishment for Tuggeranong. Just gave bus dead running an example of the Liebrals making something out of nothing with no plan on how they would do any different. Just like I am certain if in power they would not change a thing at the tip except maybe contract something out to make some money for their mates.

Oh getting OT and back to buses for a second ironic Coe goes on and on about dead running but it was his party that closed Woden depot which contributes to it slightly. That said not a bad decision because the cost of running extra depots far our weighs the cost of dead running to the tine of about 40-50km per day per bus of which only maybe 15km per bus based at Woden would be saved anyway.

It doesn’t matter what the Canberra Liberals (please get that spell-checker fixed!) do as they are not in government and clearly, they don’t plan to be.
They are smart enough to see what is happening to the Federal Liberals as they try and sort out the mess the other Labor/Greens minority government left.

It matters quite a lot actually. No point running around ranting and raving which is what the ACT Liebrals do without an alternative. If they really want power it is time they offered themselves as an alternative government rather than an opposition. And on this tip thing your happy to blame Labor but doubt you or the Liebrals would have any sensible alternative.

Ps told you before nothing wrong with my spell checker. It is context based and when talking abou the Liebral party it automatically inserts the extra i for what ever reason. Maybe it knows the truth that they are a pack of liars indeed that’s how they got into power federally. Lie lie lie indeed you are parroting the lies of the mess they supposedly left us. Never mind the AAA credit rating, low unemployment, low interest rates and a debt that was one of the best in the world. Though the Liebrals have now added in one year about 1/4 to the deficit one year and despite being in power have real plan for changing that. All they continue to do is blame labor. I know you will say well it is Labors fault for blocking legislation in the Senate but fact comrade even if all that was passed the Liebral government would be still spending the same as Labor had planned but of course are now suffering even more due to drop in commodity prices. Fools but that’s Labors fault too hey?

AAA credit rating? Leahman Bros. had one of those as well.
“Best debt” in the world? Is that better than the substantial credit they started with?
Have you read what the ACT auditor said last week about ACT’s parlous financial situation? Are you comfortable about the almost $5 billion unfunded superannuation owing to ACT public servants? (hope you are one of them).

dungfungus 8:54 pm 28 Dec 14

miz said :

Just to add, I have noticed that Purdons seem to be involved in lots of these non-consultative consultations.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/supabarn-owner-koundouris-donates-to-labor-during-lease-negotiations-20141108-11defu.html
Well, of course Mr Purdon would say that.

dungfungus 8:28 pm 28 Dec 14

miz said :

Yes JC, Hume has been there since the 1980s but I understand it was only meant to be a small pocket of light industrial warehouses, not part of a ‘industrial corridor’ (the corridor thing being quite recent). Mitchell is similar, and we all know about the other light industrial pockets in Phillip and Belco.
Dungfungus, I am surprised to have to ‘spell it out’ but ‘Liebral’ is not a spelling mistake, it is an intentional way of noting the proliferation of lies being spouted by the Liberals (though IMHO such a tactic is mainly applicable to the fed govt and this is a local govt issue).

You mean like “Liebor”?

miz 8:20 am 28 Dec 14

Just to add, I have noticed that Purdons seem to be involved in lots of these non-consultative consultations.

miz 8:16 am 28 Dec 14

Yes JC, Hume has been there since the 1980s but I understand it was only meant to be a small pocket of light industrial warehouses, not part of a ‘industrial corridor’ (the corridor thing being quite recent). Mitchell is similar, and we all know about the other light industrial pockets in Phillip and Belco.
Dungfungus, I am surprised to have to ‘spell it out’ but ‘Liebral’ is not a spelling mistake, it is an intentional way of noting the proliferation of lies being spouted by the Liberals (though IMHO such a tactic is mainly applicable to the fed govt and this is a local govt issue).

JC 7:45 am 28 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
,

Bus dead running is a whole of Territory issue, comrade
. How about a comment on the possible consequences of the smell getting into the AMC?

As is always the case you have missed my question which is what the Liebrals would do differently considering you think this is some Labor party punishment for Tuggeranong. Just gave bus dead running an example of the Liebrals making something out of nothing with no plan on how they would do any different. Just like I am certain if in power they would not change a thing at the tip except maybe contract something out to make some money for their mates.

Oh getting OT and back to buses for a second ironic Coe goes on and on about dead running but it was his party that closed Woden depot which contributes to it slightly. That said not a bad decision because the cost of running extra depots far our weighs the cost of dead running to the tine of about 40-50km per day per bus of which only maybe 15km per bus based at Woden would be saved anyway.

It doesn’t matter what the Canberra Liberals (please get that spell-checker fixed!) do as they are not in government and clearly, they don’t plan to be.
They are smart enough to see what is happening to the Federal Liberals as they try and sort out the mess the other Labor/Greens minority government left.

It matters quite a lot actually. No point running around ranting and raving which is what the ACT Liebrals do without an alternative. If they really want power it is time they offered themselves as an alternative government rather than an opposition. And on this tip thing your happy to blame Labor but doubt you or the Liebrals would have any sensible alternative.

Ps told you before nothing wrong with my spell checker. It is context based and when talking abou the Liebral party it automatically inserts the extra i for what ever reason. Maybe it knows the truth that they are a pack of liars indeed that’s how they got into power federally. Lie lie lie indeed you are parroting the lies of the mess they supposedly left us. Never mind the AAA credit rating, low unemployment, low interest rates and a debt that was one of the best in the world. Though the Liebrals have now added in one year about 1/4 to the deficit one year and despite being in power have real plan for changing that. All they continue to do is blame labor. I know you will say well it is Labors fault for blocking legislation in the Senate but fact comrade even if all that was passed the Liebral government would be still spending the same as Labor had planned but of course are now suffering even more due to drop in commodity prices. Fools but that’s Labors fault too hey?

dungfungus 7:47 pm 27 Dec 14

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

dungfungus said :

chewy14 said :

miz said :

What is galling is that there is loads of land now available in Molonglo where they could actually plan and design such services (insert here all the things they are trying to retrofit into suburbia as we speak – expanded tip space, cemetery and secure mental health facility come to mind but there are probably loads more) in a way that does not encroach.
Molonglo is practically the centre of Canberra and ideal for many of these things as it will be equally accessible to north and south. But it is obvious the govt would rather flog off that land at higher residential prices, and p!ss existing residents off by shoehorning facilities into existing suburbia, than properly plan and deliver much needed services to the community.

Yes, the government should clearly waste high quality and valuable residential land worth billions of dollars instead of using the eastern side of Canberra which has been designed and used as an industrial corridor for decades, just so a few suburbs worth of people dont have to ever smell the tip occasionally. Genius idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if the smell was blown onto AMC in Symonston where several hundred people live (and it is closer than the affected suburbs in Tuggeranong)?
The advocates of the “guests” would be demanding they be re-located and then the claims for compensation would start.
The ACT Labor government doesn’t care for the welfare of predominantly Liberal voting suburbs were the smell impacts most.
TAMS deliberately told EPA to stay out of this issue however, at the 11th hour they were forced to intervene.

It has nothing what so ever to do with Labor government not giving a stuff about Tuggeranong (and the Liebral voters down that way). What exactly do you want the government to do, and if heaven forbit the Liebrals got into power in the ACT what would they do differently.

In fact I ask the last question about most things in the ACT, the Liebrals whinge and whine but offer no alternative. Case in point is Coe’s 6 monthly whinge about bus dead running (brought up a week or so back) always quoting the figures which look awfully high, until of course you look at what that is per bus per day and it all of a sudden becomes reasonable. And as I mentioned whinge with no alternative.
,

Bus dead running is a whole of Territory issue, comrade
. How about a comment on the possible consequences of the smell getting into the AMC?

As is always the case you have missed my question which is what the Liebrals would do differently considering you think this is some Labor party punishment for Tuggeranong. Just gave bus dead running an example of the Liebrals making something out of nothing with no plan on how they would do any different. Just like I am certain if in power they would not change a thing at the tip except maybe contract something out to make some money for their mates.

Oh getting OT and back to buses for a second ironic Coe goes on and on about dead running but it was his party that closed Woden depot which contributes to it slightly. That said not a bad decision because the cost of running extra depots far our weighs the cost of dead running to the tine of about 40-50km per day per bus of which only maybe 15km per bus based at Woden would be saved anyway.

It doesn’t matter what the Canberra Liberals (please get that spell-checker fixed!) do as they are not in government and clearly, they don’t plan to be.
They are smart enough to see what is happening to the Federal Liberals as they try and sort out the mess the other Labor/Greens minority government left.

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