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Full time thieving a viable career option

Special G 9 August 2010 35

This hot on the back of indigenous representation in our judicial system and an appeal following a burglary.

Sunday times brings us an article which everyone pretty much knew was the case anyway.

They bring to light that a small percentage of crooks are responsible for an estimated 90% of Canberras Crime. They also report $11 million worth of goods was stolen from burglaries last year.

This begs the question – how many times does this sort of information need to be put out there before:

A – People start to put pressure on Polititians
B – Politicians legislate for harsher penalties and better rehabilitation systems
C – Magistrates and Judges actually represent the peoples views and lock some of these people up for a really long time. (bear in mind Burglary has a max penalty of 14yrs)


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BrassRazoo BrassRazoo 11:45 am 18 Aug 10

Yeah, on the same day the Canberra Times chose to report one-sided and derogatory comments about the performance of a (named) referee of a local amateur sporting event it chose not to publicly identify the known professional low-life responsible for the bulk of crime in this territory – on the limp excuse that at any one time a number of their cohort might have matters before the courts.

fgzk fgzk 1:19 pm 12 Aug 10

Stolen property free day
Event 4: Boycott of the CMAG and the Sir Sidney Nolan collection for a day.

fgzk fgzk 1:12 pm 12 Aug 10

Not a bad idea p1. A stolen property free day. People could pledge to turn off their stolen property for a day. Not use their laptop. Turn off the mobile. A hand back point for unwanted stolen property. A national register for serial numbers online. There are so many events that could be held. It needs a name……

p1 p1 1:35 pm 11 Aug 10

fgzk said :

The people who are fuelling this phenomena are those who pay cash for stolen property.

I propose a national day of action. Like those protests aimed at petrol companies (always in chain emails poorly converted from the US) I propose that we pick a date, and all publicly pledge not to buy stolen property on that day. I’m sure we can get some famous people on board.

fgzk fgzk 12:11 pm 11 Aug 10

Crime never pays. Certainly not the petty property crime that so obsess RA posters. The community buys the stolen property from the Junkie who then spends it all on drugs. The people who are fuelling this phenomena are those who pay cash for stolen property. The Junkie is just doing what he/she has to do. You need to target people who have stolen property in their possession, not the junkies who have drugs in their possession.

Address the the economic structure that enables thieves. Remove the source of cash.

Special G Special G 8:25 pm 09 Aug 10

Mr Freak – you really have no idea how our judicial system works do you. I’ll spell it out for you – Politicians make and ammend legislation – this includes the legislation the Judges et al interepret when sentencing criminals – if there is less room to move (eg 3 strikes you get maximum imprisonment) then judges will impose harsher penalties.

Rehabilitation and harsher sentences can go together. Crook gets a longer sentence – he then has to report to a parole board on his rehabilitation progress – if he has good behaviour, gets qualifications, stays off the drugs then he gets let out into the community to work and has to return at nights. Should crook then prove they can achieve this and hold a job they are released on parole – should they stuff up then back in the pokey.

DBCooper DBCooper 7:04 pm 09 Aug 10

If people know they won’t get shot why wouldn’t they invade your home?

In Australia criminals hold all the cards. This is only magnified by the judicial climate. Does everyone deserve a fair go at your house and or wife? I hope not.

Can you realistically depend on other people to protect your property or family members for you? Of course not……

Politicians in Australia are funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxHhcdrAcqQ

Swaggie Swaggie 3:34 pm 09 Aug 10

As soon as the Pollies get a sniff of possible votes on harsher judicial sentences it will happen. Up until then they are happy to parade under the banner of judicial independence – much easier to do that than do do something about the problem.

Me no fry Me no fry 1:41 pm 09 Aug 10

You have to feel sorry for the police. They know the people responsible for a large percentage of crime and yet even when they can catch and charge them, with a reasonably good chance of securing a conviction, the penalty imposed by the courts usually doesn’t match the crime.

Surely at some stage, when dealing with people who have apparently made a conscious decision to pursue a life of crime, the courts are not obliged to make any allowances for the offender – that is, at some point in the criminal career of a recidivist burglar there can be no mitigating circumstances at all for a court to take into account. You may be excused for thinking that at some stage a person who keeps on appearing in court for the same offence will start getting the maximum penalty.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 1:41 pm 09 Aug 10

Tooks said :

I guess the question is when do we give up on rehabilitation for recidivist offenders? How many chances does a person deserve?

Quite a few, if for no other reason than to assist those who are faslely accused. I think once someone gets to double figures in the number of convictions, though, we could fairly safely say that the person is actively resisting rehabilitation. The exact number will be difficult, and probably a matter of politics.

dtc dtc 1:30 pm 09 Aug 10

Any thoughts on finding out why these people steal and seeing whether that can be changed? Maybe providing them with their drugs?

(I know that doesnt work for all of them, since presumably some, or many, are not on drugs and just steal for the money)

Jazz Jazz 1:29 pm 09 Aug 10

andym said :

Well there are some countries in the world where loping off an offenders hand seems to produce the desired results

It would make it harder to carry a stolen TV back out through someones window

54-11 54-11 1:13 pm 09 Aug 10

Where’s Mully when you need him. A dozen or two drives by Mully would sort this problem out.

Tooks Tooks 1:12 pm 09 Aug 10

I guess the question is when do we give up on rehabilitation for recidivist offenders? How many chances does a person deserve?

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 12:43 pm 09 Aug 10

p1 said: GPS tracking collar which delivers an electric shock when they enter a home they are not authorised to?

Or blows their head off.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 12:35 pm 09 Aug 10

p1 said :

georgesgenitals said :

The police can correlate increases in property crime to the release from gaol by certain individuals. The solution is simple – don’t release them.

GPS tracking collar which delivers an electric shock when they enter a home they are not authorised to?

How about putting tracking collars on them, then referencing their locations with reported burglary sites? If found to have been on the premises, and the owner doesn’t explain it away, automatic reincarceration. It would take away a lot of the thrill if the chance of getting caught was >99% rather than <10% (for example).

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 12:17 pm 09 Aug 10

andym said :

georgesgenitals said :

On a more serious note, I realise we can’t just throw away the key. But gaol seems to be our society’s most serious punishment, and also our most effective means of isolating known criminals from their (previous and future) victims. What alternatives do we have? Can someone who has burgled 300 times actually be rehabilitated?

Well there are some countries in the world where loping off an offenders hand seems to produce the desired results

Yeah, top idea. Let’s take our lead from coutries that stone to death women who have sex with someone they are not married to.

andym andym 11:59 am 09 Aug 10

georgesgenitals said :

On a more serious note, I realise we can’t just throw away the key. But gaol seems to be our society’s most serious punishment, and also our most effective means of isolating known criminals from their (previous and future) victims. What alternatives do we have? Can someone who has burgled 300 times actually be rehabilitated?

Well there are some countries in the world where loping off an offenders hand seems to produce the desired results

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 11:48 am 09 Aug 10

a small percentage of crooks are responsible for an estimated 90% of Canberras Crime

Careful – the article doesn’t say anything about a percentage of crooks, just an absolute number. 124 crooks could be half for all we know. (I doubt it.)

If this is a Pareto proposition, and some tiny fraction of crooks are responsible for almost all property-related crime in Canberra, then lock the f*ckers away for life, and screw rehab. I’m all for second and even third chances, but 100? It’s not about the stuff they steal, it’s the fact that they invade citizens’ most sacrosanct places – their homes.

I wonder if it makes things easier for police? “My DVD player was stolen.” “No worries, we’ll just hit up the people on this list!”

Erg0 Erg0 11:45 am 09 Aug 10

Sorry, wrong post. 🙁

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