GDE Stage 2 starting soon, completion much later

Kramer 8 September 2009 47

Chief Minister and Minister for All Things Important, Jon Stanhope announced the imminent commencement of GDE stage 2. It will start in 2 weeks, but don’t hold your breath, as the first part won’t be completed until mid 2011, with the remainder due around 2012. There goes the land and house prices in Gungahlin again!

With the total cost of GDE stage 2 coming in at $85 million, and I suspect it is more likely to blow out to over $100 million, maybe the GDE should become the ACT’s first toll road?


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Kent Street Kent Street 9:42 pm 08 Oct 09

Observing said :

shanefos said :

Speaking from the perspective of someone heading towards Civic on William Hovell Drive, if people didn’t lane hop trying to get a few car-lengths ahead congestion would be cut by half in and leading into Glenloch Interchange.
Sure, people going to Woden would still get caught in the shamozzle joining the traffic coming from the north, but if people showed just a tiny, little bit of forethought and either stayed in the right lane if they are going to Woden or the left if they’re going to Civic, Civic-bound traffic would barely need to slow once they got past the lights at Bindubi Street.
Totally agree that Glenloch is a joke though.

Oh so you’re one of those that stays in the right lane slowing people down, even though you are supposed to be in the left lane unless overtaking. I think if people read the road rules, then congestion would be cut by half.

For the ‘lane hoppers’, I applaud you for following the road rules.

How about you check out the signage. It clearly indicates that the right lane ONLY progresses to Woden/Tuggeranong. The fact that these useless twats built the road differently is not the fault of the driver. If that left lane didn’t continue on south, things would be a lot smoother as people would be in the correct lane before getting to the ineterchange – the same as it is heading north from the parkway.

youami youami 10:03 am 11 Sep 09

Observing said :

shanefos said :

Speaking from the perspective of someone heading towards Civic on William Hovell Drive, if people didn’t lane hop trying to get a few car-lengths ahead congestion would be cut by half in and leading into Glenloch Interchange.
Sure, people going to Woden would still get caught in the shamozzle joining the traffic coming from the north, but if people showed just a tiny, little bit of forethought and either stayed in the right lane if they are going to Woden or the left if they’re going to Civic, Civic-bound traffic would barely need to slow once they got past the lights at Bindubi Street.
Totally agree that Glenloch is a joke though.

Oh so you’re one of those that stays in the right lane slowing people down, even though you are supposed to be in the left lane unless overtaking. I think if people read the road rules, then congestion would be cut by half.

For the ‘lane hoppers’, I applaud you for following the road rules.

Check the road rules yourself, there is no obligation for a vehicle to keep left unless the road has a posted speed limit *above* 80km/h or there is a sign directing the driver to do so. I think you will find that neither conditions exist at Glenloch. But to take your point, I do agree keep left as a courtesy where practical would make sense and as a must when conditions above do exist (ie. on the Parkway or Parkes Way at 90km/h). Another lane through Glenloch to stop a merge from William Hovell might help the interchange flow. Having all carriageways double or triple lane will not (look at the Melbourne Eastlink)

Second rant: the problem with exit ramps such as those like at Ginninderra Dr is that they are controlled by lights (not a roundabout), legal speed limit is dropped to 60km/h for no reason, and that there is no merge for left-turns, ie. it is a hard left so vehicles have to practically stop rather than come off the exit at speed. It is ironic that Canberra is renowned for roundabouts but RTA insist on installing traffic lights and slow intersections for peak traffic flows that exist at most 2 hours a weekday.

Observing Observing 12:53 pm 10 Sep 09

Dante said :

Instead, there’s an attitude of “Get out of my way.. don’t you even dare think about cutting in front of me! This is MY ROAD!!!”

No, this is MY ROAD! And if you try to move towards me, I will try to take you out in a mutual blaze of destruction instead of allowing you in and being a functional member of the community. Die, lane hopper!!!

Observing Observing 12:49 pm 10 Sep 09

shanefos said :

Speaking from the perspective of someone heading towards Civic on William Hovell Drive, if people didn’t lane hop trying to get a few car-lengths ahead congestion would be cut by half in and leading into Glenloch Interchange.
Sure, people going to Woden would still get caught in the shamozzle joining the traffic coming from the north, but if people showed just a tiny, little bit of forethought and either stayed in the right lane if they are going to Woden or the left if they’re going to Civic, Civic-bound traffic would barely need to slow once they got past the lights at Bindubi Street.
Totally agree that Glenloch is a joke though.

Oh so you’re one of those that stays in the right lane slowing people down, even though you are supposed to be in the left lane unless overtaking. I think if people read the road rules, then congestion would be cut by half.

For the ‘lane hoppers’, I applaud you for following the road rules.

shanefos shanefos 9:46 am 10 Sep 09

Speaking from the perspective of someone heading towards Civic on William Hovell Drive, if people didn’t lane hop trying to get a few car-lengths ahead congestion would be cut by half in and leading into Glenloch Interchange.
Sure, people going to Woden would still get caught in the shamozzle joining the traffic coming from the north, but if people showed just a tiny, little bit of forethought and either stayed in the right lane if they are going to Woden or the left if they’re going to Civic, Civic-bound traffic would barely need to slow once they got past the lights at Bindubi Street.
Totally agree that Glenloch is a joke though.

Jamie Wheeler Jamie Wheeler 8:01 am 10 Sep 09

The Glenloch interchange should be renamed more appropriately to the Gridlock interchange. What a complete and utter design f*** up. It often takes me nearly an hour to drive home from northside to southside via the GDE due to the triple lane merges. A single car even breaking down and parked on the side of the road is enough to cause a traffic chaos. Building all the extra lanes in the world won’t help the Gridlock interchange.

miz miz 3:09 pm 09 Sep 09

I hope they are ‘duplicating’ the countless merges you have to do on (I think it might still be called) Caswell Drive? SO dangerous and poorly planned.

youami youami 12:21 pm 09 Sep 09

Get over it, Canberra’s population of 340,000 has better roads that any other city of the same size. If there is traffic at 8.30, leave at 8.45! Simple. I used to live in Sydney and traffic, if there is any, is *nothing* compared to other cities. Sure the interchange probably could be better but such is life.

harley harley 9:46 am 09 Sep 09

p1 said :

Where are you going from/to, that you need to go through Glenlock to get to bunnings?

Curtin. Tuggers, Belco and Fyshwick are equidistant. I find Belco the better of the 3 most of the time.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 9:30 am 09 Sep 09

caf said :

Gungahlin Al: The interest payments are a P&L item though. An additional $85mil borrowed three years earlier would have cost us a cool $13mil in additional interest.

Sure Caf, except the amount borrowed would have been $20m less, thereby slashing the interest by that proportion also. There are other indirect costs that result (apart from the costs of the crawl imposed on the road users, which I’d suggest far outweights that interest charge) such as hold-ups and resulting lower usage of bus services due to congestion on alternative routes, increased road maintenance on those alternate routes, being just a couple of quick to mind items.

housebound housebound 9:18 am 09 Sep 09

This bottleneck at spaghetti junction (aka Glenloch) is exactly what everyone who used it regularly predicted – the GDE would be (and has become) a way of feeding more traffic, more quickly into a dysfunctional and clogged up road junction.

It’s no suprise at all, to anyone other than those enlightened ACT Government planners.

haroldbeagle haroldbeagle 8:58 am 09 Sep 09

Will we get new “Artwork” as well?

Aeek Aeek 10:08 pm 08 Sep 09

Heading north from Belco to Gin @ 5pm I was stunned to come to complete stop, I guess because of those waiting for the lights on Gin. So north will work.
Going south, there’s the fundamental problem of GDE, Parksway, and ??? feeding into the two lanes of the Parkway. Parksway into Civic is usually clagged too in the morning so improving Glenoch will do nothing there either.

bd84 bd84 10:07 pm 08 Sep 09

V twin venom said :

shanefos said :

Kramer said :

Make Bindubi (sp?) Street and Coulter Drive both into dual carriage ways too!

Er, why?

To reduce the volume of traffic turning off Belco Way on to the GDE and thus reducing the potential for the bottleneck at the Interchange.

The only problem with that theory is that by using Bindubi street, you still need to utilise the Glenloch interchange to get to both the city and to southern canberra, unless you use coppins crossing road, which will also be a construction zone too soon when work begins for the molonglo access road.

Imagine the convenience and less hassle if Stanhope had half a brain and built it properly in one go. I hope they address the major design flaws in the Glenloch when completing stage 2. I think instead of borrowing for the work, it should be paid off out of the Government ministers’ salaries for as a payment for their incompetence.

aronde aronde 9:39 pm 08 Sep 09

caf said :

All of the linked documents are for the Northern Roads & Bridges part, although the Southern part is what’s apparently being done first.

So there is a ‘Southern’ document that covers what is happening at Glenloch? That is the bit I really want to see!

caf caf 8:49 pm 08 Sep 09

aronde: The executive summary in the last document (preliminary sketch plans) says this:

Stage 2 has been separated into two areas, Northern Roads & Bridges, and Southern Roads & Bridges. This report focuses on the Northern Roads & Bridges.

All of the linked documents are for the Northern Roads & Bridges part, although the Southern part is what’s apparently being done first.

(That document has a great picture of Canberra’s own “Bridge To Nowhere” on the cover, right in the middle of Glenloch Interchange!)

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 8:21 pm 08 Sep 09

Does anyone know what the signs are about on GDE stating “No $ area” or something similar?
Also, what are they making just off to the Ellenborough St southbound side of GDE? Is it a ramp leading down to Ellenborough St, an extra lane or a bike path or…?

aronde aronde 5:11 pm 08 Sep 09

Great link Nifty! I’ve had a quick look through but it seems to me nothing is happening at Glenloch? Below is cut from the sketch plans document dealing with the ‘North’ stage –

“The main features of the north roads and bridges package are:
1. Construction of the southbound bridge over the Barton Highway.
2. Construction of a new southbound 2-lane carriageway from the Barton Highway to
Ginninderra Drive.
3. Duplication of the super-tee overpasses at Ellenborough Street and Ginninderra Drive plus a
pre-cast concrete arch fauna underpass at Lyneham Ridge.
4. Additional lanes on the north end south bound carriageway between Ginninderra Drive and
Belconnen Way.
5. Duplication of the Belconnen Way overpass.
6. Duplication of the roadworks from Belconnen Way through to the Aranda fauna overpass.”

I really hope there is another document dealing with additional lanes at Glenloch!

niftydog niftydog 5:08 pm 08 Sep 09

chewy14 said :

Niftydog,
your links seem to be the info for the north roads part of the project…

Yeah I noticed that, but I only recall seeing one DA on the ACTPLA site and I’ve been unable to find any reference to a complementary “south roads” project. I was prompted to look for it because of the DA notification signs that were up around Bruce Ridge a few weeks back – can’t say I’ve ever seen such signs down around Glenloch.

caf caf 4:49 pm 08 Sep 09

One interesting point in those design documents is that the design speed of the duplicated road is 100km/h.

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