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Greens kiss QIC donations goodbye and stand up for Civic

By johnboy - 26 October 2011 36

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The Greens’ Caroline Le Couteur has announced her plans to move against the QIC takeover of Civic in the Legislative Assembly:

“My motion raises a number of issues which have been of growing concern to shoppers and small businesses in Civic. These small businesses in City Walk and East Civic provide retail diversity to Canberra’s commercial heart.

“QIC now owns a solid portion of Civic, and there are no laws designed to stop such an ownership concentration.

“Businesses have told us that QIC is continuing to buy up blocks adjacent to the Canberra Centre, making conditions unpalatable for current tenants.

“It’s not clear what the long term plan is, but with the growing number of empty shopfronts, the centre of Civic is becoming less unattractive, and now Centrepoint is the dead heart of Civic.

“My motion calls for:
– Exploring options to minimise land and retail dominance in planning, land sale or other decisions, including through discussions with the ACCC
– Lease conditions to be enforced in Centrepoint
– Small business impact studies to be undertaken by a Government appointed consultant
– More toilets, public seating, the civic cycle loop and other actions to improve the amenity of Civic
– A master plan for Civic

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36 Responses to
Greens kiss QIC donations goodbye and stand up for Civic
Henry82 1:55 pm 26 Oct 11

They should also ban chuggers from this state.

Gungahlin Al 1:50 pm 26 Oct 11

Oh and let me finish by saying that is the problem with how the ACT Government so strongly pursues density in suburbs, when they should be putting that density into the town cores themselves. They are creating people-density donuts instead of more viable bell-curve density distribution patterns around each of our satellite cities and Civic.

And the price we pay for that is:
* absurdly overpriced suburban land
* back yards the domain of rich people only
* massive tax drains building more roads for commuters.

[Stepping off soapbox now.]

Gungahlin Al 1:44 pm 26 Oct 11

Classified said :

Rollersk8r said :

Certainly don’t want to be seen agreeing with the Greens, but in this case I do, completely. More shops at the mall might equal more people at the mall but it certainly doesn’t mean more people in Civic. A vibrant Civic needs small specialty shops and cafes etc that make Garema Place the hub of town.

A vibrant Civic needs more humans who live within walking distance who actually spend $$ at such places.

Which is why the owners of B and C grade office buildings should not bother trying to upgrade to A grade to attract government tenants, but instead retrofit the buildings as apartments. And the ACT Government should clearly encourage this strategy. IMHO.

Classified 1:41 pm 26 Oct 11

Rollersk8r said :

Certainly don’t want to be seen agreeing with the Greens, but in this case I do, completely. More shops at the mall might equal more people at the mall but it certainly doesn’t mean more people in Civic. A vibrant Civic needs small specialty shops and cafes etc that make Garema Place the hub of town.

A vibrant Civic needs more humans who live within walking distance who actually spend $$ at such places.

Rollersk8r 1:31 pm 26 Oct 11

Certainly don’t want to be seen agreeing with the Greens, but in this case I do, completely. More shops at the mall might equal more people at the mall but it certainly doesn’t mean more people in Civic. A vibrant Civic needs small specialty shops and cafes etc that make Garema Place the hub of town.

Gungahlin Al 1:29 pm 26 Oct 11

Re: the thread title, QIC is a fully Queensland Government owned corporation. Therefore I’m not sure it would partake in any political donations. That could bring them unstuck in a major media way.

It was established to allow local and state authorities to invest at significantly better rates than available on the private investment market. When I was on the Caloundra-Maroochy Water Supply Board we used them heavily for our investments, which involved substantial millions accruing for dam and treatment plant construction.

I agree that the way QIC is treating the Canberra CBD is shabby and self-interested.

However I feel that the way to influence their Canberra investment decisions is to lean on the shareholders, which are the relevant Queensland Government Ministers: http://www.qic.com.au/about/ and the Premier Anna Bligh. And one way to ensure some support for the cause would be for the ACT Government to write to the various local governments and agencies that invest heavily through QIC, pointing out the way that QIC’s management affects and undermines good town planning principles for the Canberra CBD.

I believe that many people in local government, particularly in Queensland, could be convinced to lend a degree of support for a cause that is front-of-mind for many of them and is a source of considerable solidarity between councils. A case could perhaps be mounted through an upcoming QLGA Conference.

Just a thought…

Deref 1:16 pm 26 Oct 11

RedDogInCan said :

DUB said :

Without further development Civic will die.You can see that “gangrene” claimed at least a third of it, time to do something about it.

The “gangrene” is QIC who are driving out the shops. Shops aren’t closing due to lack of business, they are closing because QIC is making it non-viable for them to exist there. Just wait for a couple of months when QIC offers to come to the rescue of a run down Civic with an expansion of the Canberra Centre. And it will be timed to open ready for the sudden influx of workers to the ACT Govt Pleasuredome.

+1

Yet another example of the Greens representing people instead of commercial interests. Good news.

red_dog 12:43 pm 26 Oct 11

RedDogInCan said :

The “gangrene” is QIC who are driving out the shops. Shops aren’t closing due to lack of business, they are closing because QIC is making it non-viable for them to exist there. Just wait for a couple of months when QIC offers to come to the rescue of a run down Civic with an expansion of the Canberra Centre. And it will be timed to open ready for the sudden influx of workers to the ACT Govt Pleasuredome.

+1

ps hey other red dog 🙂

RedDogInCan 12:38 pm 26 Oct 11

DUB said :

Without further development Civic will die.You can see that “gangrene” claimed at least a third of it, time to do something about it.

The “gangrene” is QIC who are driving out the shops. Shops aren’t closing due to lack of business, they are closing because QIC is making it non-viable for them to exist there. Just wait for a couple of months when QIC offers to come to the rescue of a run down Civic with an expansion of the Canberra Centre. And it will be timed to open ready for the sudden influx of workers to the ACT Govt Pleasuredome.

Thumper 12:28 pm 26 Oct 11

I think it’s about time that someone took a genuine interest in retaining and revitalising what is arguably the most socially and/ or culturally important part of Canberra.

How would it be if 15-20 years in the future civic has been bulldozed to expand the Canberra Centre?

I’m all for this, hopefully the ALP and the Libs will jump on board.

Or will vested interests take over? One hopes not.

DUB 12:15 pm 26 Oct 11

bryansworld said :

DUB said :

That means lower returns from QIC for me…..Even during GFC they had better performance than others, with minimal loses.
One more reason for me to dislike Greens.

Yeah, forget community interest, as long as your wallet continues to bulge.

And what do you propose? Forgive me, but if you are talking about “community interests” from the flats across the road-then I say “tough luck”.
Without further development Civic will die.You can see that “gangrene” claimed at least a third of it, time to do something about it.

Classified 12:11 pm 26 Oct 11

bryansworld said :

DUB said :

That means lower returns from QIC for me…..Even during GFC they had better performance than others, with minimal loses.
One more reason for me to dislike Greens.

Yeah, forget community interest, as long as your wallet continues to bulge.

If there’s sufficient demand from the community, surely these other businesses would be viable.

Realistically, I think Canberra has too many major shopping centres for the population. Add in the airport shops and the retail spend gets spread ever more thinly.

bryansworld 12:05 pm 26 Oct 11

DUB said :

That means lower returns from QIC for me…..Even during GFC they had better performance than others, with minimal loses.
One more reason for me to dislike Greens.

Yeah, forget community interest, as long as your wallet continues to bulge.

DUB 11:35 am 26 Oct 11

That means lower returns from QIC for me…..Even during GFC they had better performance than others, with minimal loses.
One more reason for me to dislike Greens.

bryansworld 10:46 am 26 Oct 11

Hooray, a politician is raising the issue of Civic being turned into a megamall! About time.

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