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Gungahlin wants a hospital

johnboy 18 April 2011 25

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Gungahlin Al has sent in the Gungahlin Community Council’s submission to the ACT Government on why a new hospital should be constructed in the Gungahlin Town Centre.

During our discussion with the Minister, we proposed that the Gungahlin Town Centre has an ideal location for a third hospital, and the Minister confirmed that an assessment by Land and Property Services had confirmed exactly this location as one of the preferred options for a greenfield hospital development. The other sites she discussed were at the corner of Kelleway Ave and Gungahlin Drive Nicholls and on the University of Canberra campus. We dismissed the Nicholls sites as being poorly served by public transport, lacking in local retail amenities, and of high impact on residents. We also expressed concern that the UC site would be putting student needs above those of the patients and their families, and being very close to Calvary would be losing an opportunity to establish a geographic spread of hospital services.

We also explained to the Minister that this site would most likely meet with strong community support, even from people in the community with housing close by. Indeed, through all the media coverage, online discussion through our website and Facebook group, and other meetings and online community efforts, the response we have received has been almost 100 per cent favourable for our proposal.

The land we proposed forms part of the 40 hectare area GCC has been successful in getting rezoned by ACTPLA to zones suiting business park development, as shown below. This location would provide the staff and users of such a hospital with immediate access to the Gungahlin town centre, which is now a fully serviced retail core. This would be very different from the geographic locations of TCH and Calvary – or UC for that matter – in that the distance from local shopping areas leaves users essentially locked into using a single on-site concessionaire.

The location is also on a high-frequency public transport route, with bus services at least every 15 minutes during week days and far more frequent during peaks. It is within a similar driving and public transport range from Civic as the Belconnen and Woden town centres. The soon-to-be-built community health clinic a block away would ensure the hospital can focus on cases of genuine need rather than having the emergency ward filled with the non-urgent presentations that seem to plague other hospitals.


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Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 2:34 pm 19 Apr 11

John Stanhope has come out against the threat of legal action: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/health/stanhope-talks-tough-on-hospital/2138579.aspx

Meanwhile Calvary claim they made no such threat. Well good then. We can expect no such action when the Government makes an announcement soon to build the third hospital then?

Keijidosha Keijidosha 9:53 am 19 Apr 11

joingler said :

Do you mean around the Bimberi centre?.

No, that is east of Mitchell. South of Mitchell would put the proposed hospital close to the junction of the GDE and Barton Highway and no more than 9km from anywhere in the Belconnen/North Canberra/Gungahlin regions (with the exception of some suburbs close to the lake, which would be closer to TCH anyway). This location would also have close access to arterial roads.

shadow boxer shadow boxer 9:08 am 19 Apr 11

No worries, thanks.

JC JC 8:51 am 19 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

Isn’t this a third hospital ? I dont think the plan is to close Calvary.

Obviously the new one should be in Gungahlin

This isn’t the plan. The plan is the new hospital will become the 2nd government hospital, REPLACING the government function performed by Calvary, which will remain as a private hospital.

pandaman pandaman 11:04 pm 18 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

Isn’t this a third hospital ? I dont think the plan is to close Calvary.

Obviously the new one should be in Gungahlin

Makes sense to me. Three hospitals, each near a major population centre. A third hospital at a site in Bruce makes zero sense unless you’re going to shut down, or scale down calvary right next door, which is crazy, because the idea is to increase the total available hospital beds right?

joingler joingler 8:55 pm 18 Apr 11

Keijidosha said :

Okay, so initially I thought the idea of a hospital in Gungahlin was mildly misguided due to transport logistics. After checking Gunghalin Al’s link to the proposed site I’m no more convinced.

Gungahlin Al said :

Near horizons… You are looking at the northside as it is now. We are looking at the northside with another 60,000 people all to the north, west and east of the existing town centre – Ngunnawal, Casey, Jacka, Bonner, Forde, Throsby, Kenny. Plus a fair few to go into North Watson.

True, but the site you are proposing is not even close to the geographical centre of the region. Yes the sardine density of Gunghalin means your location is closer to the population centre, but this will only exacerbate access issues. It is a struggle to navigate the town centre at present with about half of the proposed population, how much worse will it get once Gunghalin is finished?!

For mine I would plonk it somewhere around the southern end of Mitchell with dedicated access to the GDE/Barton Highway and possible priority access to the Federal Highway.

Do you mean around the Bimberi centre? I honestly think between Palmerston, CRace and the Barton would be the best place to have it. Could be serviced by Nudurr, Wells StatioN AND Gungahlin Drives. Much more central the the Gungahlin town centre and unlimited space.

Wells Station Drive would need to be upgraded to dual carriageway from Horse Park all the way across. to cater for extra traffic coming in from Kenny, Throsby and any other suburbs that are built further East than Harrison. Gundaroo and Nudurr drives would also need major upgrades (not that Gundaroo already doesn’t).

shadow boxer shadow boxer 7:36 pm 18 Apr 11

Isn’t this a third hospital ? I dont think the plan is to close Calvary.

Obviously the new one should be in Gungahlin

Deref Deref 5:49 pm 18 Apr 11

JC said :

Any new hospital has to be central to ALL of North Canberra, just like TCH is central to all of South Canberra.

A hospital in Gungahlin town Centre would not fit this bill in any way shape or form.

+1

rosscoact rosscoact 5:28 pm 18 Apr 11

benjee said :

Good idea, but I live in Gungahlin and haven’t been able to go anywhere for three years. I’m actually paved into the GDE, got stuck there for a few weeks one day and got turned into road.

Imagine an ambulance, lights flashing, sirens blaring, sitting stationary on the GDE…

Goodness gracious, where’s the emoticon for roll eyes?

You know the GDE is being duplicated right? So you know the current traffic issues caused by the road works will be overcome?

Geez I wonder how some people get access to the Internet. But good on you for trying
Geez I wonder how some people

JC JC 4:23 pm 18 Apr 11

Chop71 said :

Gungahlin Al said :

And I have no delusions about Gungahlin’s role in the scheme of things. I’m just doing my best to make it a better place for my kids to grow up in.

and likewise I am doing the same. I just believe that a Calvary/UC Belconnen site is more centrally located to suite all Canbera residents north and west of the lake.

Agree 100%, and Al, I too was taking into account the future growth of Gungahlin too. Even with the still to be built suburbs the Bruce area is still the most central location for ALL of North Canberra and the most logical site for a hospital (or uni for that matter).

You know what, I reckon when Calvary and what is now US were built in the green fields 30-40 years ago the planners had a crystal ball and could see the future and planned very well indeed, or was it maybe their plan all along?

Gungahlin on the other hand had the prospect of being as well planned as the rest of Canberra, but the greed of the government and developers have created a mess that will NEVER be fixed and IMO are examples of why a hospital for North Canberra should not be located there. Three examples come to mind. Firstly why does Flemmington road run right into the CENTRE of the town centre? Why not let it run around and align it with Mirrabel Drive Second why does Flemington road, have residential housing on it? Should it not have been a main road with no housing? Thirdly why does Gundaroo Drive have housing on it north of the town Centre? Would it too not have been better left as a main road joining up with Horse Park Drive, thus giving a direct houseless link to Belconnen for the suburbs North or the town centre? These three mistakes will kill the town centre in the future with traffic that should have been on main roads bypassing the centre, and here it is that one group is proposing a hospital in the centre of this future mess.

No thanks, please leave it somewhere that can be got at by all, not just those in Gungahlin.

benjee benjee 4:13 pm 18 Apr 11

Good idea, but I live in Gungahlin and haven’t been able to go anywhere for three years. I’m actually paved into the GDE, got stuck there for a few weeks one day and got turned into road. Imagine an ambulance, lights flashing, sirens blaring, sitting stationary on the GDE…

Keijidosha Keijidosha 3:08 pm 18 Apr 11

Okay, so initially I thought the idea of a hospital in Gungahlin was mildly misguided due to transport logistics. After checking Gunghalin Al’s link to the proposed site I’m no more convinced.

Gungahlin Al said :

Near horizons… You are looking at the northside as it is now. We are looking at the northside with another 60,000 people all to the north, west and east of the existing town centre – Ngunnawal, Casey, Jacka, Bonner, Forde, Throsby, Kenny. Plus a fair few to go into North Watson.

True, but the site you are proposing is not even close to the geographical centre of the region. Yes the sardine density of Gunghalin means your location is closer to the population centre, but this will only exacerbate access issues. It is a struggle to navigate the town centre at present with about half of the proposed population, how much worse will it get once Gunghalin is finished?!

For mine I would plonk it somewhere around the southern end of Mitchell with dedicated access to the GDE/Barton Highway and possible priority access to the Federal Highway.

Chop71 Chop71 3:01 pm 18 Apr 11

Gungahlin Al said :

And I have no delusions about Gungahlin’s role in the scheme of things. I’m just doing my best to make it a better place for my kids to grow up in.

and likewise I am doing the same. I just believe that a Calvary/UC Belconnen site is more centrally located to suite all Canbera residents north and west of the lake.

puggy puggy 2:17 pm 18 Apr 11

Gee you people are negative. If Gundaroo & WIlliam Slim get to four lanes as is the plan (according to GCC’s facebook page) then that would go some way to aleviate access issues. The Calvary site has good access, but there’s one problem: Calvary. It’s already there. Have a look at a map to see how far north Gungahlin is planned to stretch. By that time, the Gungahlin site looks like a good place.

I am a bit worried though. The land is there for the buildings, but what of the required parking?

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 2:17 pm 18 Apr 11

Thanks for the feedback folks.

JC said :

Any new hospital has to be central to ALL of North Canberra, just like TCH is central to all of South Canberra. A hospital in Gungahlin town Centre would not fit this bill in any way shape or form.

Chop71 said :

Sorry, your pretty pics and ideas do not match the trip for North Canberra and Belconnen residents to Gungahlin. Al, you can live in your bubble and think the world revolves around Gunners but the Calvary site is right next to Belconnen Way and GDE – very easy for all Northside residents to get too.

Near horizons… You are looking at the northside as it is now. We are looking at the northside with another 60,000 people all to the north, west and east of the existing town centre – Ngunnawal, Casey, Jacka, Bonner, Forde, Throsby, Kenny. Plus a fair few to go into North Watson.

Chop, the renderings were done by ACPLA as part of their Planning Report for the Gungahlin Town Centre Master Planning Study. They may be basic but their intention was to demonstrate the potential scale and massing possible for the site given the draft planning requirements. I included them in the submission for the same purpose – there are many people involved in this process who would have little idea what is planned for our town centre. And I have no delusions about Gungahlin’s role in the scheme of things. I’m just doing my best to make it a better place for my kids to grow up in.

Bluey said :

Where exactly is this block of land near the G that would fit a hospital?

Hopefully this Maps link will zoom in on the spot well enough for you – immediately east of the intersection of Flemington Road and Kate Crace Street. The need 10ha. We have 39.5ha.:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Gungahlin+Australian+Capital+Territory&ll=-35.186607,149.141003&spn=0.00306,0.004672&t=h&z=18

Bluey Bluey 1:27 pm 18 Apr 11

Where exactly is this block of land near the G that would fit a hospital?

Chop71 Chop71 12:35 pm 18 Apr 11

… and a 5 year old with lego can make a design like that one ……

Chop71 Chop71 12:34 pm 18 Apr 11

Sorry, your pretty pics and ideas do not match the trip for North Canberra and Belconnen residents to Gungahlin. Al, you can live in your bubble and think the world revolves around Gunners but the Calvary site is right next to Belconnen Way and GDE – very easy for all Northside residents to get too.

dvaey dvaey 12:32 pm 18 Apr 11

KB1971 said :

Does Gungahlin need a hospital like Tuggeranong needs a Uni?

The more pressing question, is does Canberra need a second unbiased acute healthcare provider? The answer to that is yes. The only question remains where to put it. Tuggeranong is already served by TCH, Queanbeyan area is served, the only void remains in the north.

With most of the Belconnen area already developed, a new development on the scale of this, needs a large undeveloped greenfield area, which seemingly Gungahlin has lots of. With the population growing in a northerly direction, it makes sense to place a second hospital in that vacinity.

JC JC 12:28 pm 18 Apr 11

Any new hospital has to be central to ALL of North Canberra, just like TCH is central to all of South Canberra.

A hospital in Gungahlin town Centre would not fit this bill in any way shape or form.

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