21 July 2005

Huge sea change in ACT Education, compromise comes for economy.

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As noted in an earlier story the Government has, without consultation or taking the policy to an election, decided to do away with community schools. The Canberra Times has more detail here.

Tonight on ABC News came the confirmation that “Middle Schools” (grades 6-8, think junior high) are going to be part of the seperated groups within the new mega campuses.

This is a huge change to the manner of education in the ACT (good luck getting the kids to school and back without a car too).

Bear in mind that when Katy Gallagher bongs on about the extra facilities they can offer in these concentration camps she means facilities she doesn’t have the budget to fund in smaller, discrete, community schools.

On the bright side it shouldn’t be too late to reverse this by the time the next election rolls around.

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Banking on the recent commentary by our friend Mr Face, and his frank but honest seeming answers to the questions regarding his literacy level I posed, I’d hazard a guess that this is a white man problem around the world.

So what’s changed ?

Why, after a fucking world war, did children have a better literacy and competency level than some shithead who graduates with a 70% A level pass in this day and age ?

What has changed ?

You won’t like my views on what has changed, because they are real, not politically correct, and are indeed quite offensive because they target the problem right at the nerve centre. I offer it up at this stage for other rioters to suggest where the problem lies.

I totally agree with Thumper. I teacher year 8 and it is an absolute joke. I am supposed to work miracles on kids with virtually no budget and equipment dating back to the 70s. Separating middle school students is not going to mean a pinch of shit unless we have some decent materials and can afford to send them on field trips etc. Public transport use to be free for school kids. My mother says it was common for state schools to have swimming pools in Canada in the 50s. My Bosnian friend said schools there were loaded before the war. When she came to Australia in the 90s and saw our state schools, she thought she was in Bangladesh. In my opinion, most of what is happening in education these days amounts to a bandaid on a dying patient.

Bulldog >> The way repeating a child is handled currently is not really broken is it? Dr Nelson would like to grade children on individual subjects in primary school, including fails.

Maelinar >> There are no tests for 6 year olds at the moment, that’s my point.

Andrew, just what kind of test are you implying a 6 year old is failing ?

Frankly I would have liked to be told I was failing the ‘stand up to pee’ test, as I would have been challenged to pass the next time.

Fortunately I passed first time around.

Back onto faiing kids in Primary School; I seem to remember that it wasn’t unusual to have kids repeating years in Primary School if their work wasn’t up to scratch. Isn’t this failing them?
I don’t think it’s a bad idea at all. In fact it would definately assist children who need extra time to develop skills that will be vital in ensuring they can continue to learn in High School etc.

I believe we should be ensuring first and foremost that eduaction takes precedence over the touchy-feely garbage which now seems to go hand in hand with education. The kids are there to learn, it should be a parent’s responsability to ensure that kids are reminded that they’re special.

I have no knowledge of ms gallaghers recreational substances of choice, I was referring to the drivel she spouts.

Thumper… Are you saying we should be telling 6 year olds that they failed? I am all for failing lazy (dare I say stupid?) kids in high school, but K-6? I know exactly what you mean with the mass of 18 year olds (and there abouts) who have a very tenuous grip on the english language and still have passed year 12!

Let teachers tell the truth about students abilities, and support teachers (through resources and better conditions) to actually teach students not just baby sit 5 days a week.

She has form? Do you mean that she isn’t an ethereal or gaseous entity?

Or do you just think she’s hot?

Applying my famous grocery store opinion to the subject;

‘Them biga supermarkets, they put us little shops outta business’

IMO the govt is taking what has the potential to be a good idea, and of course they are going to fuck it up, I’m a realist.

Where they could be delivering a comprehensive learning system, where teaching staff could pool their talents and provide superior services, they will end up creating a sardine factory of packed in students and over encumbered teachers where people will be barely legible let alone literate.

It’s funny that as a generation of ‘education matters’, we will have successfully bred the next generation of cleaners, window washers and low income employees.

“Katy Gallagher bongs on”?

I’m assuming you’re meaning “Bangs on” here? Unless you’re making implications about why Katy makes the kind of creative policy decisions she does.

Education levels are currently suckng; and to demonstrate how poor literacy levels are, have a look at the latest post RE monkey bikes…

I can’t see how bigger and schools could possible mean smaller classes, and as an outsider, I think that could be a real advantage in ensuring all kids are receiving enough help where they require it.

Furthermore, how is an ULTRA SCHOOL going to affect a teen’s sense of identity and self confidence during those precarious years? Am I the only one who thinks that too many fish in a pond is dangerous?

In 1979 as a single (poor wog) parent i accepted a job in Canberra because I had heard the schools were good. The little primary school my son attended within walking distance was first rate and he and I have many happy memories. This ‘mega-school’ idea is rotten and Katy deserves to be named and shamed for her part in it. Roll on the next election when I will be handing out how-to-vote cards and it won’t be for Labor!

Nothing I’ve experienced in my life suggests that bigger schools will deliver better outcomes in the long term.

your mileage may vary.

Take 150 million from the bus lane and give it to the education department. Jeese im smart I should be a politician. Hang on a minute maybe I should join up with Jim Murphy and start a new party. Shame i dont live in Canberra anymore. Actually that might be a good thing the way it seems to be going.

A high school cannot be sustained with 184 students spread over 4 year groups.

Concentration camps? I think you’re going a bit far there, a larger school will have more resources and will be able to offer more choice to it’s students.

Many schools in other states run K-12 even, it’s just different for the ACT to see these kinds of schools.

While it may have been nice to have been told about this before the government went and decided, I don’t think there’s much hope for the smaller schools. It’s hard for teachers in smaller schools, they simply don’t have the resources (staffing and material goods) to provide a high level of education.

I am more concerned with what Dr Brendan Nelson is talking about federally, giving GRADES to students K-6 and ranking them! The constant reviewing and reporting on students takes alot of time for the teachers, and they then spend less time on actual teaching. Dr Nelson also wants teacher absenteeism to be a published document, what other profession does that? I don’t see too many documents pointing out how many days off public servants (named, individually) take off in a given period.

John Howard and Brendan Nelson want to 100% privatise education, I can’t see this being beneficial to communities.

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