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Human Rights Prison??

By sunshine 4 December 2008 27

With the imminent opening of Australia’s first prison based on human rights philosophy, it makes me wonder how they can implement a blanket rule that prisoner’s cannot smoke!

Doesn’t this breach their human rights by taking away their choice to smoke or not.

Cigarettes in prison have also been used for many years as a management tool – if the ACT goes ahead with this imposed ‘no smoking zone’ the ACT should be in for a lot of fun when the prisoners riot.

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p1 10:52 pm 04 Dec 08

So let them have the patch. I am all for that.

staria 9:34 pm 04 Dec 08

Hmmm… not a very large sample or conclusive results from the abstract that I read – coupled with the next abstract (Effects of Acute Tryptophan Depletion on Negative Symptoms and Smoking Topography in Nicotine-Dependent Schizophrenics and Nonpsychiatric Controls) implied that the intensified smoking caused by acute tryptophan depletion (ie, you ain’t getting much sleep) caused other problems such as reduced serotonin levels – not good.

So, even if the people with mental illnesses are getting a brief lift or reprieve from their symptoms, they are paying for it in other, worse ways. Surely not to be encouraged?

sunshine 9:18 pm 04 Dec 08

staria said :

might also be of interest to know that a high rate of people with mental illnesses smoke because it has been proven that nicotine helps to suppress some of the symptoms that trouble them.

I’d like to see the studies which prove that.

a start
Neuropsychopharmacology (2007) 32, 2020–2024; doi:10.1038/sj.npp.1301317; published online 17 January 2007

Nicotine Dependence, Symptoms and Oxidative Stress in Male Patients with Schizophrenia

staria 8:50 pm 04 Dec 08

might also be of interest to know that a high rate of people with mental illnesses smoke because it has been proven that nicotine helps to suppress some of the symptoms that trouble them.

I’d like to see the studies which prove that.

sunshine 8:22 pm 04 Dec 08

no.i actually don’t smoke and i have no intention of ‘staying’ in the prison – but yes if i have an interest in human rights etc..then maybe i do have a hidden agenda.

might also be of interest to know that a high rate of people with mental illnesses smoke because it has been proven that nicotine helps to suppress some of the symptoms that trouble them.

would be easier to say everyone should give up (yes smoking is bad for your health) but in reality it’s not going to happen.

shiny flu -you could also then say that health dollars are also wasted on treating people with another legal preoccupation – it’s called alcohol.

shiny flu 8:15 pm 04 Dec 08

Like all smokers should do, if they really love their cancer sticks so much, why not exhale what the rest of us would normally have to breathe in into a plastic bag and inhale the smoke again and again and again and again till logic gets the better of them or they simply die? The latter option being the better since so many Health dollars are wasted treating people who somehow are unable to cognitively understand that smoking=death/sickness despite all the education and nice little photos on the packaging.

Hidden agenda Sun’where-the-sun-don’t’shine? Planning on a nice little stay in the lock-up or just wasting our time with your EPIC FAIL. Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

Bungle 7:54 pm 04 Dec 08

p1 said :

Maybe we could save money on the prison if we don’t lock anyone up, but stop them drinking, smoking, copulating, or anything else they like doing (since to stop people doing things that they like doing is why we started the concept of prisons in the first place).

Not that Canberra ever locks up its crims…

Ha Ha

Maybe it’ll be just like Yes Minister but instead of havingthe perfectly run hospital because it had no patients, this will be the prison with no prisoners.

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