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I-pads do they work in middle school?

rookie 9 August 2012 73

This is the question I’m asking my self over the next few weeks, to give you some backstory I recently started teaching and I’m in the technology department I also recently graduated so the currency of my ICT skills are mint and I must say I love the Heck out of my job, I teach years 7-10.

I have an I-pad (provided by the school) I use teacher pal this app lets me have a profile for each student and be able to contact them and their parents by email very handy if you have any idea about what its like to collect over 120 students emails plus the parents contact emails not to mention the dual family added bonus.

Whats that you say ….it couldn’t be simpler…. well there is this funny thing that INTACT or who ever sets up the protocols do ‘called every time you you want to use your ipad or go to a new page or just have your ipad function in the library or your office or the mac labs or the workshop without interrupting you’ it asks for Authentication now this is not really a hugh problem if you only have to do it once.

This happens to the kids to.

Twice, thrice, four times wait can’t I just hit cancel or ok or why don’t I reset my I-pad or maybe it’s just me. Maybe I should just stick to VHS and paper booklets rather then pursue this technology.

Think of this people I’m talking about entering the 17 letters of my full name and then using my STRONG password of another 15 or so characters how long does that really maybe under a minute. Ask yourself this how many times do you have to re-enter a password and think of me a teacher relying on tech to educate your kids and I’m hitting a firewall a lot, to much to make it worth it sometimes.

So now possibly you understand my position I havent talked about the other apps that I use for OH&S or the site management apps I use for VET students, but my point is there is so much more to I-pads then surfing or games and when you have over a 100 ipads at school $50,000 to assist in student learning and they are hitting the fire wall like I do my question is Do I-pads work in middles school?

INTACT I’m only a rookie but you are a collection of staff set up to assist in the education of students. I’m in the class I use tutor control I monitore my students computer usage and I have a tablet version of the software available to use.

This problem of Authentication  doesn’t only happen with I-pads this happens with our desktops our lap tops our PC’s.

I will post again in September after some more trials.

Every Parent tax payer and INTACT member out there should know about the cost of Authentication to quality class time.

Rookie


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Duffbowl Duffbowl 1:58 pm 22 Aug 12

watto23 said :

Actually, the device is not the issue and windows tablets will have the same issue. A tablet is prone to theft, due to its portability. If such devices have access to sensitive information, they will require authentication for government use, even if its for a single user only. Can it be done better? probably and Apple iPads are not really designed with authentication in mind. Maybe bio-technology will help by using a persons face to identify them and logon, but its not 100% foolproof yet.

Of course discussion around the issue is missed because of the grammar enthusiasts on this forum.

More than happy to discuss the issues; however, it took some time for Riot Act readers to identify the issues. If you don’t understand the requirements put forward, you can’t do an analysis against them.

Let’s go through your points:
– Devices aren’t the issue. Correct, in so much that a tablet is just as likely to get stolen as a laptop. One advantage you do have with iPads is the remote wipe facility. Of course, this can be easily defeated by the thief. There are commercial products out there that will render the device inoperable and worthless for most cases.

– Sensitive information is not likely to be an issue in a class room environment. However, if they want portability and protection of student data, there are some very good container solutions out there for iOS in particular. If they really want to, and need the devices to be certified, they iPads could be hardened using DSD’s iOS hardening guide.

– Authentication may be required for more than one reason. As I think I said in an earlier statement, it sounds like they are requesting authentication for proxy access. There are single sign on solutions out there that address this.

– Name a single device, not designed for government or commercial customers, that have been designed with authentication in mind, and are difficult to bypass? If you can access the BIOS or boot from an external source, the device can be defeated.

– Biometrics and logonid are not two factor authentication. That said, 2FA is overkill for the stated use.

Happy to discuss further.

kakosi kakosi 1:19 pm 22 Aug 12

rookie said :

Point taken with my use of grammar! I will not make that mistake again, very often in my posts.

Thankyou.

Big thanks to the rioters who posted some encouraging feedback on the topic of Authentication.

To those that think sending their kids to private school is going to help them survive our community, what a joke, send them to a private community you’ll be more successful. $$$

To those that think I’m a poor teacher from my post, you’ve made links to my pedagogy these statements aren’t accurate.

Take me out of your grammar sites and focus on the issue of Authentication and how your children’s education is being managed by INTACT.

Maybe I’ll except essays by sms in text speak just for you and give them A’s for creating their own language and then I’ll mark them on their creative process for their mine craft assignment.

The written word is not the be all and end all to communication in education, yes certainly it’s a foundation but seriously most of you are good readers, do what good readers do, use your brains.

I’ll still post on my progress of using tablets as tools rather than toys, you haven’t scared me, why would you? your kids don’t scare me and you probably think their smart to.

Rookie

As an ex-teacher I feel it’s important to point out to you that your writing is almost incoherent. Is English your second language?

For the sake of the children you teach, please enrol into an English language class.

watto23 watto23 12:25 pm 22 Aug 12

LuigiMario said :

The real issue here is with Apple.
They have a created a device which, by design, is almost useless in corporate environments that require multiple users to log onto it securely.

If you want an iPad at home, then go for it, they’re great. If you want to use it securely a corporate environment(which is what our public schools are), then forget about it.
Hell, if you don’t need internet access and you won’t be storing photos on them, then they’d be great for that too.(and this has been the case in some ACT public schools already)

I think we’ll find that the Windows 8 tablets on the horizon will be far more practical solution compared to the iPad in the workplace and in the school due. This is due to the fact that they’ll actually be able to be used and managed on the networks securely and seamlessly with 1 log-on. Only issue is that software developers need to make the right apps to match the iTunes catalogue!

The other culprits here are the people who have pushed the iPads into our schools without any sort of diligent testing. If they’d bothered to do their research, we wouldn’t have this issue.

Actually, the device is not the issue and windows tablets will have the same issue. A tablet is prone to theft, due to its portability. If such devices have access to sensitive information, they will require authentication for government use, even if its for a single user only. Can it be done better? probably and Apple iPads are not really designed with authentication in mind. Maybe bio-technology will help by using a persons face to identify them and logon, but its not 100% foolproof yet.

Of course discussion around the issue is missed because of the grammar enthusiasts on this forum.

Mordd Mordd 10:59 am 22 Aug 12

Wow, after having read through the OP’s replies now, I too am fairly shocked at the atrocious spelling mistakes, when I read the “Except (accept)” bit in the reply on page 2 it made me really cringe, the “sites (sights)” was bad enough but not knowing the difference between accept and except is just really poor for anyone claiming to be a teacher.

Mordd Mordd 10:52 am 22 Aug 12

The issue here is that tablets are inherently bad for text input, nothing more, nothing less. Maybe Microsofts new Surface tablets with a keyboard as a cover will help with this issue by avoiding the typing on glass problem but as I read this article all I see illustrated are the many reasons why iPads are completely unsuitable for this type of task in the first place!

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 10:25 am 22 Aug 12

“This is the question I’m asking my self over the next few weeks, to give you some backstory I recently started teaching and I’m in the technology department I also recently graduated so the currency of my ICT skills are mint and I must say I love the Heck out of my job, I teach years 7-10.”

Yes folks, that’s one sentence.

poetix poetix 9:59 am 22 Aug 12

Gungahlin Al said :

You’ve got to love it when people (quite understandably) correcting grammar come up with a bunch of their own errors! It’s the greatest hazard for us pedants…
“your”? “abated”? 🙂

Yes, that must be awful.

Duffbowl Duffbowl 9:59 am 22 Aug 12

Gungahlin Al said :

You’ve got to love it when people (quite understandably) correcting grammar come up with a bunch of their own errors! It’s the greatest hazard for us pedants…
“your”? “abated”? 🙂

Gungahlin Al, I’m presuming this is pointed at me, as I’m fairly sure no one else uses abated.

I reviewed by post, and couldn’t find the incorrect use of “your”. As a minor official of the National Socialist Grammar Workers Party, I’d appreciate if you could put me out of my misery on that point.

Abated is an correct, although archaic, form of bated. Originally found in The Merchant of Venice, bated is the poetic shortening of abated. Abated means “to bring low; depress”.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bated
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/abate

Jim Jones Jim Jones 9:54 am 22 Aug 12

Gerry-Built said :

2604 said :

I hope everyone remembers the OP the next time teachers and their feral union go on strike in an attempt to secure another above-market pay rise.

God forbid we pay more to attract teachers what can speel good and string thum word thingies together proper-like…

That’s not right. Surely we should demean and insult teachers and pay them less (while complaining that they do nothing and have too many holidays anyway) and call them all communists.

This is the only way to get a better education system.

bugmenot bugmenot 9:23 am 22 Aug 12

Gerry-Built said :

2604 said :

I hope everyone remembers the OP the next time teachers and their feral union go on strike in an attempt to secure another above-market pay rise.

God forbid we pay more to attract teachers what can speel good and string thum word thingies together proper-like…

hear hear!

Gerry-Built Gerry-Built 1:03 am 14 Aug 12

2604 said :

I hope everyone remembers the OP the next time teachers and their feral union go on strike in an attempt to secure another above-market pay rise.

God forbid we pay more to attract teachers what can speel good and string thum word thingies together proper-like…

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 9:41 am 12 Aug 12

You’ve got to love it when people (quite understandably) correcting grammar come up with a bunch of their own errors! It’s the greatest hazard for us pedants…
“your”? “abated”? 🙂

LuigiMario LuigiMario 5:36 pm 10 Aug 12

The real issue here is with Apple.
They have a created a device which, by design, is almost useless in corporate environments that require multiple users to log onto it securely.

If you want an iPad at home, then go for it, they’re great. If you want to use it securely a corporate environment(which is what our public schools are), then forget about it.
Hell, if you don’t need internet access and you won’t be storing photos on them, then they’d be great for that too.(and this has been the case in some ACT public schools already)

I think we’ll find that the Windows 8 tablets on the horizon will be far more practical solution compared to the iPad in the workplace and in the school due. This is due to the fact that they’ll actually be able to be used and managed on the networks securely and seamlessly with 1 log-on. Only issue is that software developers need to make the right apps to match the iTunes catalogue!

The other culprits here are the people who have pushed the iPads into our schools without any sort of diligent testing. If they’d bothered to do their research, we wouldn’t have this issue.

EvanJames EvanJames 10:24 am 10 Aug 12

rookie said :

Take me out of your grammar sites … Maybe I’ll except essays by sms … The written word is not the be all and end all to communication … you probably think their smart to. Rookie

I noticed one horrible bish, but when I started editing it down, found more, and stopped looking!!!

1. Grammar SIGHTS. Not sites. I assume you’re asking for people to stop targetting your grammar.
2. ACCEPT essays. Not except. If you except their essays, you’re removing them from the process.
3. be-all and end-all OF communication. Not “to” communication.
4. They’re smart TOO. Not their smart to. Well done, two errors in a three word phrase.

Your grammar is poor, but your English is the real problem, it’s really poor.

ToastFliesRED ToastFliesRED 10:01 am 10 Aug 12

Why can’t Shared Services ICT just set all teachers up with generic user logins or open and unauthenticated tablets/PCs – oh wait….

trevar trevar 9:22 am 10 Aug 12

rookie said :

Take me out of your grammar sites and focus on the issue of Authentication and how your children’s education is being managed by INTACT.

Personally, I don’t have any site dedicated to grammar, but if I did, I would certainly ensure that you weren’t featured on it, as you request. As for INTACT, the best thing you can do is learn quickly that you will be defeated. INTACT ‘serves’ the entire ACT Government and does so with an iron fist, determined to stop or undermine all progress. The best you can do is find a way to bypass their system entirely.

gazket said :

Middle school ? what sort of teacher calls it middle school.

Australia don’t become America
http://youtu.be/neMZr1uAoV0

Middle School isn’t an Americanism. In Australia it’s usually used to refer to years 5 to 8. Many private schools in this country who have separated this part (or a similar range) of schooling report improved results from a more gradual transition between primary and secondary methodologies, and this is often called ‘Middle School’ or ‘Intermediate’ or something like that. I don’t even think the Americans use the term ‘Middle School’, though I could be wrong.

bigfeet said :

I call ‘troll’ on this. There is no way a teacher could have such a poor grasp of basic writing and grammar skills.

Bigfeet, you obviously haven’t many new teachers! There is absolutely no literacy test for teachers, so even those who confuse ‘then’ with ‘than’ and ‘except’ with ‘accept’ and don’t have any instinct for punctuation can be qualified and recruited. Rookie’s problems however, have little to do with grammar. The errors evident in Rookie’s posts are mostly related to diction, syntax or punctuation customs that are usually taught in primary school; there are very few errors of grammar in either.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 9:12 am 10 Aug 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

rookie said :

Point taken with my use of grammar! I will not make that mistake again, very often in my posts.

Thankyou.

Big thanks to the rioters who posted some encouraging feedback on the topic of Authentication.

To those that think sending their kids to private school is going to help them survive our community, what a joke, send them to a private community you’ll be more successful. $$$

To those that think I’m a poor teacher from my post, you’ve made links to my pedagogy these statements aren’t accurate.

Take me out of your grammar sites and focus on the issue of Authentication and how your children’s education is being managed by INTACT.

Maybe I’ll except essays by sms in text speak just for you and give them A’s for creating their own language and then I’ll mark them on their creative process for their mine craft assignment.

The written word is not the be all and end all to communication in education, yes certainly it’s a foundation but seriously most of you are good readers, do what good readers do, use your brains.

I’ll still post on my progress of using tablets as tools rather than toys, you haven’t scared me, why would you? your kids don’t scare me and you probably think their smart to.

Rookie

Well said.

No, no it wasn’t.

Well said.

Thumper Thumper 9:11 am 10 Aug 12

your kids don’t scare me and you probably think their smart to.

FFS.

They’re = They are.

Not ‘their’.

There is no conceivable way that you can be a teacher with such incredibly low standards of grammar and literacy.

watto23 watto23 9:07 am 10 Aug 12

As someone who works in IT, I did have trouble understanding everything the OP had written. A second reading helped. firstly I don’t know if blaming inTACT themselves is the real issue. This is probably not their decision, but that of policy makers.

You yourself say that you have access to parents and students emails. Not imagine your iPad is used by someone else, maybe at home, maybe a friend or maybe someone you don’t know. If there was no authentication on the iPad they would have easy access to information they should not have. Society demands a level of privacy and thus policies are developed to meet these demands.

Trust me I’m asked to do a lot of things in my job I don’t agree with from a technical or political point of view. Maybe suggest to inTACT that they need to find a quicker authentication method. Perhaps usernames could be shortened and minimum password length decreased to say 8 with 3 types of characters.

Another idea is to have the iPads on their own seperate wireless network and they can be used normally, however to access any resources on the school network, they need authentication then through a proxy.

IT security is difficult, because people over react thus meaning the security is also over the top. Then there is the issue of doing it cheaply. Functionality is always the loser.

So sorry OP, I doubt you’ll get anything to change. Its a much bigger problem than just how long it takes to log onto your iPad.

gp gp 9:00 am 10 Aug 12

bigfeet said :

I call ‘troll’ on this. There is no way a teacher could have such a poor grasp of basic writing and grammar skills.

Please, please, please let this be a disgruntled High School student, rather than a semi-literate teacher.

My school has 20 iPads. We disabled the WiFi as it was deemed a concern for our Primary-aged students to use without 1-1 supervision. inTACT were just fine with the set up, but not especially effective. We coped and solved the teething issues in-house.

As my main concern of the OP, I do not know of any Principal, executive member, teaching collegue or parent who would fail to have grave concerns for your hard to read, badly spelt, mindless dribble you have placed into a public space. I would have a concern if my own students wrote that badly. Year One students know the different uses of the homophone ‘to/too/two’.

Please stop embarrassing our profession.

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