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I-pads do they work in middle school?

By rookie 9 August 2012 73

This is the question I’m asking my self over the next few weeks, to give you some backstory I recently started teaching and I’m in the technology department I also recently graduated so the currency of my ICT skills are mint and I must say I love the Heck out of my job, I teach years 7-10.

I have an I-pad (provided by the school) I use teacher pal this app lets me have a profile for each student and be able to contact them and their parents by email very handy if you have any idea about what its like to collect over 120 students emails plus the parents contact emails not to mention the dual family added bonus.

Whats that you say ….it couldn’t be simpler…. well there is this funny thing that INTACT or who ever sets up the protocols do ‘called every time you you want to use your ipad or go to a new page or just have your ipad function in the library or your office or the mac labs or the workshop without interrupting you’ it asks for Authentication now this is not really a hugh problem if you only have to do it once.

This happens to the kids to.

Twice, thrice, four times wait can’t I just hit cancel or ok or why don’t I reset my I-pad or maybe it’s just me. Maybe I should just stick to VHS and paper booklets rather then pursue this technology.

Think of this people I’m talking about entering the 17 letters of my full name and then using my STRONG password of another 15 or so characters how long does that really maybe under a minute. Ask yourself this how many times do you have to re-enter a password and think of me a teacher relying on tech to educate your kids and I’m hitting a firewall a lot, to much to make it worth it sometimes.

So now possibly you understand my position I havent talked about the other apps that I use for OH&S or the site management apps I use for VET students, but my point is there is so much more to I-pads then surfing or games and when you have over a 100 ipads at school $50,000 to assist in student learning and they are hitting the fire wall like I do my question is Do I-pads work in middles school?

INTACT I’m only a rookie but you are a collection of staff set up to assist in the education of students. I’m in the class I use tutor control I monitore my students computer usage and I have a tablet version of the software available to use.

This problem of Authentication  doesn’t only happen with I-pads this happens with our desktops our lap tops our PC’s.

I will post again in September after some more trials.

Every Parent tax payer and INTACT member out there should know about the cost of Authentication to quality class time.

Rookie

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Duffbowl 1:58 pm 22 Aug 12

watto23 said :

Actually, the device is not the issue and windows tablets will have the same issue. A tablet is prone to theft, due to its portability. If such devices have access to sensitive information, they will require authentication for government use, even if its for a single user only. Can it be done better? probably and Apple iPads are not really designed with authentication in mind. Maybe bio-technology will help by using a persons face to identify them and logon, but its not 100% foolproof yet.

Of course discussion around the issue is missed because of the grammar enthusiasts on this forum.

More than happy to discuss the issues; however, it took some time for Riot Act readers to identify the issues. If you don’t understand the requirements put forward, you can’t do an analysis against them.

Let’s go through your points:
– Devices aren’t the issue. Correct, in so much that a tablet is just as likely to get stolen as a laptop. One advantage you do have with iPads is the remote wipe facility. Of course, this can be easily defeated by the thief. There are commercial products out there that will render the device inoperable and worthless for most cases.

– Sensitive information is not likely to be an issue in a class room environment. However, if they want portability and protection of student data, there are some very good container solutions out there for iOS in particular. If they really want to, and need the devices to be certified, they iPads could be hardened using DSD’s iOS hardening guide.

– Authentication may be required for more than one reason. As I think I said in an earlier statement, it sounds like they are requesting authentication for proxy access. There are single sign on solutions out there that address this.

– Name a single device, not designed for government or commercial customers, that have been designed with authentication in mind, and are difficult to bypass? If you can access the BIOS or boot from an external source, the device can be defeated.

– Biometrics and logonid are not two factor authentication. That said, 2FA is overkill for the stated use.

Happy to discuss further.

kakosi 1:19 pm 22 Aug 12

rookie said :

Point taken with my use of grammar! I will not make that mistake again, very often in my posts.

Thankyou.

Big thanks to the rioters who posted some encouraging feedback on the topic of Authentication.

To those that think sending their kids to private school is going to help them survive our community, what a joke, send them to a private community you’ll be more successful. $$$

To those that think I’m a poor teacher from my post, you’ve made links to my pedagogy these statements aren’t accurate.

Take me out of your grammar sites and focus on the issue of Authentication and how your children’s education is being managed by INTACT.

Maybe I’ll except essays by sms in text speak just for you and give them A’s for creating their own language and then I’ll mark them on their creative process for their mine craft assignment.

The written word is not the be all and end all to communication in education, yes certainly it’s a foundation but seriously most of you are good readers, do what good readers do, use your brains.

I’ll still post on my progress of using tablets as tools rather than toys, you haven’t scared me, why would you? your kids don’t scare me and you probably think their smart to.

Rookie

As an ex-teacher I feel it’s important to point out to you that your writing is almost incoherent. Is English your second language?

For the sake of the children you teach, please enrol into an English language class.

watto23 12:25 pm 22 Aug 12

LuigiMario said :

The real issue here is with Apple.
They have a created a device which, by design, is almost useless in corporate environments that require multiple users to log onto it securely.

If you want an iPad at home, then go for it, they’re great. If you want to use it securely a corporate environment(which is what our public schools are), then forget about it.
Hell, if you don’t need internet access and you won’t be storing photos on them, then they’d be great for that too.(and this has been the case in some ACT public schools already)

I think we’ll find that the Windows 8 tablets on the horizon will be far more practical solution compared to the iPad in the workplace and in the school due. This is due to the fact that they’ll actually be able to be used and managed on the networks securely and seamlessly with 1 log-on. Only issue is that software developers need to make the right apps to match the iTunes catalogue!

The other culprits here are the people who have pushed the iPads into our schools without any sort of diligent testing. If they’d bothered to do their research, we wouldn’t have this issue.

Actually, the device is not the issue and windows tablets will have the same issue. A tablet is prone to theft, due to its portability. If such devices have access to sensitive information, they will require authentication for government use, even if its for a single user only. Can it be done better? probably and Apple iPads are not really designed with authentication in mind. Maybe bio-technology will help by using a persons face to identify them and logon, but its not 100% foolproof yet.

Of course discussion around the issue is missed because of the grammar enthusiasts on this forum.

Mordd 10:59 am 22 Aug 12

Wow, after having read through the OP’s replies now, I too am fairly shocked at the atrocious spelling mistakes, when I read the “Except (accept)” bit in the reply on page 2 it made me really cringe, the “sites (sights)” was bad enough but not knowing the difference between accept and except is just really poor for anyone claiming to be a teacher.

Mordd 10:52 am 22 Aug 12

The issue here is that tablets are inherently bad for text input, nothing more, nothing less. Maybe Microsofts new Surface tablets with a keyboard as a cover will help with this issue by avoiding the typing on glass problem but as I read this article all I see illustrated are the many reasons why iPads are completely unsuitable for this type of task in the first place!

Holden Caulfield 10:25 am 22 Aug 12

“This is the question I’m asking my self over the next few weeks, to give you some backstory I recently started teaching and I’m in the technology department I also recently graduated so the currency of my ICT skills are mint and I must say I love the Heck out of my job, I teach years 7-10.”

Yes folks, that’s one sentence.

poetix 9:59 am 22 Aug 12

Gungahlin Al said :

You’ve got to love it when people (quite understandably) correcting grammar come up with a bunch of their own errors! It’s the greatest hazard for us pedants…
“your”? “abated”? 🙂

Yes, that must be awful.

Duffbowl 9:59 am 22 Aug 12

Gungahlin Al said :

You’ve got to love it when people (quite understandably) correcting grammar come up with a bunch of their own errors! It’s the greatest hazard for us pedants…
“your”? “abated”? 🙂

Gungahlin Al, I’m presuming this is pointed at me, as I’m fairly sure no one else uses abated.

I reviewed by post, and couldn’t find the incorrect use of “your”. As a minor official of the National Socialist Grammar Workers Party, I’d appreciate if you could put me out of my misery on that point.

Abated is an correct, although archaic, form of bated. Originally found in The Merchant of Venice, bated is the poetic shortening of abated. Abated means “to bring low; depress”.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bated
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/abate

Jim Jones 9:54 am 22 Aug 12

Gerry-Built said :

2604 said :

I hope everyone remembers the OP the next time teachers and their feral union go on strike in an attempt to secure another above-market pay rise.

God forbid we pay more to attract teachers what can speel good and string thum word thingies together proper-like…

That’s not right. Surely we should demean and insult teachers and pay them less (while complaining that they do nothing and have too many holidays anyway) and call them all communists.

This is the only way to get a better education system.

bugmenot 9:23 am 22 Aug 12

Gerry-Built said :

2604 said :

I hope everyone remembers the OP the next time teachers and their feral union go on strike in an attempt to secure another above-market pay rise.

God forbid we pay more to attract teachers what can speel good and string thum word thingies together proper-like…

hear hear!

Gerry-Built 1:03 am 14 Aug 12

2604 said :

I hope everyone remembers the OP the next time teachers and their feral union go on strike in an attempt to secure another above-market pay rise.

God forbid we pay more to attract teachers what can speel good and string thum word thingies together proper-like…

Gungahlin Al 9:41 am 12 Aug 12

You’ve got to love it when people (quite understandably) correcting grammar come up with a bunch of their own errors! It’s the greatest hazard for us pedants…
“your”? “abated”? 🙂

LuigiMario 5:36 pm 10 Aug 12

The real issue here is with Apple.
They have a created a device which, by design, is almost useless in corporate environments that require multiple users to log onto it securely.

If you want an iPad at home, then go for it, they’re great. If you want to use it securely a corporate environment(which is what our public schools are), then forget about it.
Hell, if you don’t need internet access and you won’t be storing photos on them, then they’d be great for that too.(and this has been the case in some ACT public schools already)

I think we’ll find that the Windows 8 tablets on the horizon will be far more practical solution compared to the iPad in the workplace and in the school due. This is due to the fact that they’ll actually be able to be used and managed on the networks securely and seamlessly with 1 log-on. Only issue is that software developers need to make the right apps to match the iTunes catalogue!

The other culprits here are the people who have pushed the iPads into our schools without any sort of diligent testing. If they’d bothered to do their research, we wouldn’t have this issue.

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