Jon Stanhope – Rainmaker?

johnboy 24 September 2008 45

[First filed: September 23, 2008 @ 11:15]

I’ve been picking up for a while now that there is an unprecedented level of personal animosity to Jon Stanhope out there in voter land. That is to say never has a Chief Minister facing election managed to rile up such large swathes of the electorate.

With Labor matching any promise the tories make (and the ideological differences between the two being imperceptible on outcomes) I strongly suspect this is driving the cult of personality campaign the Liberals are running.

They’re sensing that in a personality contest they’ll come out on top.

So now I’m interested, dear reader, in finding out what you’re feeling towards Mr. Stanhope at the moment.

Yes the shills and spivs from the parties are going to make some noise here, but what do the rest of you think?

In my own mind Jon Stanhope is...

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Granny Granny 8:59 pm 24 Sep 08

coop said :

… I promised myself I wouldn’t get on to the Gungahlin Drive issue but, stuff it! How did we let him get away with that yarn about not being able to duplicate while it was being built….?

He had a majority, so he did as he liked. How could we not let him get away with it?

coop coop 8:24 pm 24 Sep 08

I’ll save the fire comment to last… but let me just remember for a moment the handkerchief sized blocks of land being released for excessive prices, the signs that appeared on every piece of parkland and green space advising us of ‘proposed development’, the ludicrous health system, the school closures, the debacle of the drought and water restrictions and how the cost of providing our water went through the roof (will they come back down when the dams are full again?), the condition of our roads where its no longer where are the potholes but where is the road, I promised myself I wouldn’t get on to the Gungahlin Drive issue but, stuff it! How did we let him get away with that yarn about not being able to duplicate while it was being built….? “Hey, watch me pull a rabbit out of my Rocky!” All part of the Stanhopeless circus and all while he was at the helm.
Then there’s the fires…let me just say there’s an old Australian saying about how you wouldn’t put him out if he was on fire….well I wouldn’t.

deezagood deezagood 8:26 am 24 Sep 08

I have a lot of time and respect for Steve Pratt; he actually does genuinely give a crap about his community and will stand up for that community even when not necessarily politically astute to do so. He is also one of the nicest blokes you could meet. He certainly isn’t suave and polished in that typical politican way, but his heart is in the right place. I wasn’t referring to Zed’s ethics as a ‘Christian’ – I have no interest in taking a dose of religion with my politics. I like his values/ethics regarding the well being of Canberrans.

PM PM 3:03 am 24 Sep 08

Eyeball: methinks she… well, you all know the rest. Protesting etc.

Al Grassby was a philandering crook – ask his poor wife – now get over it.

peter@home peter@home 12:35 am 24 Sep 08

shame the poll didn’t have an option for “an oxygen bandit”

peter@home peter@home 12:29 am 24 Sep 08

eyeball, any reason you went for a double 3-post nutbag?

steve pratt was set free – what was the name of his colleague again?

maybe we should vote him in so that he can pay back the society that freed him??

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 12:01 am 24 Sep 08

cranky said :

I will never forgive the wretch for foisting a statue of a corrupt, verging on criminal, politician upon us.

That seems to describe all politicians.

I don’t recall seeing any statues of Jim Murphy?

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 11:56 pm 23 Sep 08

teepee said :

Chesounds very close to Stanhope and lacks some perspective. The issue is not what the guy is like privately, but how poor his judgement is in his job of public responsibility.

Any bloke could have a beer with Zed I’d bet – he radiates ease and casualness down the TV screen, but Jon wouldn’t even know whether to sip, swill or gulp. Wrong guy for the wrong job.

So, which one is it?

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 11:53 pm 23 Sep 08

teepee said :

Any bloke could have a beer with Zed I’d bet – he radiates ease and casualness down the TV screen, but Jon wouldn’t even know whether to sip, swill or gulp. Wrong guy for the wrong job.

I heard Zed Seselja sipped and gulped his way to the top job.

By ‘top job’ I mean leading a pack of dysfunctional retards who couldn’t turn on a light switch without spreading cancer.

Pandy Pandy 11:52 pm 23 Sep 08

13 people at a community council meeting of which 5 were not political (committee memebrs?) What a joke!

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 11:51 pm 23 Sep 08

deezagood said :

I agree Teepee; Zed seems like a really genuine and decent bloke with good ethics. He might be inexperienced, but there is only one way to gain experience and I’d like to see him take a shot. Good values and ethics go a long way with me. Zed instead.

Personally, I fell that the ‘ethics’ of the Christian right should be obliterated and abortions handed out to all.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 11:50 pm 23 Sep 08

deezagood said :

I agree Teepee; Zed seems like a really genuine and decent bloke with good ethics. He might be inexperienced, but there is only one way to gain experience and I’d like to see him take a shot. Good values and ethics go a long way with me. Zed instead.

Personally, I feel that the ‘ethics’ of the Christian right should be obliterated and abortions handed out to all.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot 11:48 pm 23 Sep 08

I’ve always found Steve Pratt to live up to his name.

It’s just a shame that our Iraqi friends didn’t take care of him.

peter@home peter@home 11:09 pm 23 Sep 08

Jonathon Reynolds said :

You can see Jon Stanhope in action here:
http://www.canberravotes.com/2008/09/belconnen-community-council-jon-stanhope-mla-16-september-2008/

This was at the Belconnen Community Council in front of a non-confrontation crowd (gathering) of 13 people (of which 8 were candidates or former candidates). He does come across as reasonably personable when not on the offensive/defensive.

Yes, jonathon, but he was prepared for the event. Any pollie can come across as personable when able to prepare for it. The reactions that they have in the day to day encounters on the street, totally unprepared, are what will give the best insight into the person. He seems to be very arrogant, and in the couple of times I have bumped into him, I did not come away with a positive opinion.

In contrast, Zed, Brendan Smyth and Steve Pratt have all been down to earth and quite happy to discuss all manner of topics. I found myself at ease, not off side.

Jonathon Reynolds Jonathon Reynolds 9:55 pm 23 Sep 08

You can see Jon Stanhope in action here:
http://www.canberravotes.com/2008/09/belconnen-community-council-jon-stanhope-mla-16-september-2008/

This was at the Belconnen Community Council in front of a non-confrontation crowd (gathering) of 13 people (of which 8 were candidates or former candidates). He does come across as reasonably personable when not on the offensive/defensive.

deezagood deezagood 9:53 pm 23 Sep 08

I agree Teepee; Zed seems like a really genuine and decent bloke with good ethics. He might be inexperienced, but there is only one way to gain experience and I’d like to see him take a shot. Good values and ethics go a long way with me. Zed instead.

teepee teepee 9:45 pm 23 Sep 08

Chesounds very close to Stanhope and lacks some perspective. The issue is not what the guy is like privately, but how poor his judgement is in his job of public responsibility.

Other people who know him well are the ohter Labor Premiers. Although he is now the “grandfather” of COAG, I am told by observers that the other leaders treat him like a slly sideshow and pay little heed to the nonsense he sprouts.

If he were in any other parliament, he would get little further than a parliamentary secretary or a pretty junior Minister spot.

I agree with Che on one thing. Yes Stanhope is shy. His lack of people skills is precisely why he is defensive, aggressive, paranoid and lashes out at anyone who won’t kowtow. Any bloke could have a beer with Zed I’d bet – he radiates ease and casualness down the TV screen, but Jon wouldn’t even know whether to sip, swill or gulp. Wrong guy for the wrong job.

deezagood deezagood 9:40 pm 23 Sep 08

Mr Stanhope is a big personality and quite a charismatic leader. As a personality, he can be witty, charming, funny and passionate – all endearing qualities. But when riled, he can also be dismissive, patronising and arrogant – not quite so appealing. Beyond his personal traits, I simply can’t vote for any leader who would (either surreptitiously or overtly) allow a huge gas power plant to be built 650 metres away from a lovely, peaceful residential suburb – seriously, all voters should consider that if this type of thing can happen Macarthur, it could happen anywhere.

CheGuarana CheGuarana 9:03 pm 23 Sep 08

*Disclaimer – I have been a member of the Labor Party in the past.

Kramer said :

I reckon he’s a positive for Labor. He’s a real bloke, a bit hard headed, stuffs up sometimes, but on the whole has done a good job. Whereas the Zed (and ex buddy Mulchay) come across a bit too slick for me – kinda like used car salesmen.

That sums it up for me too. There is something slightly off about Zed. I don’t know what it is exactly – perhaps rapid ego expansion since taking the leadership, perhaps the company he keeps. Still, he’s by far the most presentable of the lot. Beyond him, the Libs have the depth of talent of a wading pool. Think about it – Vicki Dunne? Jacqui Burke? Steve Pratt? Holy cow. And with 3 weeks to go where are they? Has Zed secretly killed them and made a few clones of himself? To my surprise and enjoyment, Louise Maher grew some journalistic cojones and gave Zed a mini-grilling yesterday. ‘Why isn’t Jacqui Burke here talking about her own portfolio?’ etc.

Serendipity said :

My lasting impression of Stanhopeless is standing in the cue at a bakery at Belconnen mall with my wife one Saturday morning waiting for my turn. Dear John was standing beside me in adjacent row, I made eye contact and wished him good morning. He looked at me, ignored me, and turned away. Both my wife and I were surprised to say the least. This impression has remained. Despite the fact I didn’t particularly like or follow him in the first place, I made an effort. His arrogant attitude has left a lasting impression. I was saying “good morning” to him as both the leader and a man…but he couldnt be bothered or lower himself to even acknowledge this. So anyone but John and his party gets my vote.

I’m sorry, but that isn’t what Jon’s like at all. Assuming you don’t work for the Libs, and you weren’t wearing a loosely-tied dressing gown, I put it down to one of the following:

1. He was not wearing his glasses. He has crap eyesight.
2. You will all probably howl with derision, but Jon is actually quite shy. All this ‘arrogance’ stuff is utter rubbish. I can never reconcile his media image with Jon in person. I challenge those who have actually met him more than once to disagree with this.

3. i was listening to his talkback a month or two back, and some bloke rang up just to say thanks for pulling over last year to help him change his blown tyre. That is the kind of guy Jon is.

VicePope said :

He’s a positive. Pretty good recognition factor. Obviously the sharpest knife in a pretty blunt drawerful.

I disagree with the blunt drawerful bit, unless you’re including all the Libs in your reckoning, in which case yes, the average Assembly IQ is dragged down into the double digits.

In my opinion Andrew Barr, Simon Corbell, Richard Mulcahy and Brendan Smyth are all smart.

novice novice 8:49 pm 23 Sep 08

No need to torture ourselves with conjecture. Labor will be returned with Greens support and Jon will hand over to Andrew Barr.

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