17 October 2024

Lee needs to learn not to shoot the messenger

| Ian Bushnell
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Elizabeth Lee using her finger to make a gesture at a journalist

Opposition Leader Elizabeth Lee shows what she really thinks of me. It’s not a good look for someone wanting a high-pressure job such as Chief Minister. Photo: ABC.

Is this the moment that will end up defining the 2024 ACT election campaign?

It’s a great pity if it does – with so many important issues at stake, a candidate ‘flipping the bird’ is hardly earth-shattering news – but it definitely calls into question whether the Opposition Leader has the temperament for the top job.

I was unaware of the infantile gesture being made behind my back, having already moved on from yet another testy exchange with Ms Lee.

As she told the ABC, we have history – a history of me asking questions she doesn’t like, pressing her for a genuine answer and then Ms Lee losing her bundle.

Only this time, it was caught on film.

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These exchanges have marked the campaign, and they have been unpleasant, but I won’t be deterred from doing my job.

Ms Lee has deflected, evaded and obfuscated, especially on key questions to do with tax and spending. They have not been gotcha questions but genuine attempts on behalf of the public to get to the detail of Liberal policies and how they would work in practice.

Instead of Ms Lee seeing them as an opportunity to explain them fully, she has become defensive. And I’m not interested in answers that simply attack the other side.

It is not about me. It is not a game. I do not have to follow a script prepared by whichever party is holding the press conference.

Ms Lee has apologised – to whom she didn’t say. The party, her staff, family, voters? But certainly not to me. In fact, she has attempted to blacken my name, calling me unprofessional and playing the sexist card. What if the genders had been reversed?

I’ll stand on my reputation and welcome the support I’ve had from my peers. A press conference is also my workplace, and I expect to be treated respectfully, too.

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She describes our relationship as tense. From my perspective, that is only true in the few minutes we cross swords at press conferences. As far as I’m concerned, what happens on the field stays on the field.

Yesterday we joked with each other before the Leaders Debate.

As I left the venue, unwitting of what had occurred, Ms Lee called out from the lift whether I was going to ask Andrew Barr the same questions.

I responded that I ask him all the time but he tends to answer them.

This goes to her and the Liberals’ belief that the media – particularly me – are against them. At a major speech at the National Press Club last November, MLAs heckled an ABC journalist, asking a question with the cry of “Canberra media”.

I, as do every other Canberra journalist, constantly grill Mr Barr, but he is a much more experienced politician and has the benefit of long incumbency.

I’ve lost count of the number of times I have pressed him on debt and deficit, light rail and his commitment to the job.

He usually responds in the spirit of the inquiry and does not take things personally.

That wasn’t always the case. Only last week, he told me how he had to develop a thick skin, that he had to toughen up. In the past, he would not talk to one ABC journalist, and there is the infamous “I hate journalists” remark.

Either Mr Barr had some serious reflection on his attitude or an adviser told him a few home truths. These days he is much more comfortable in his own skin and with handling the media.

Other ministers would attest to me asking tough questions of them, too, for instance, on public school performance. But I certainly don’t get the grief that Ms Lee dishes out.

It is tougher for the Opposition, especially in such a left-leaning town and after being out of power for such a long time. It is not enough to ride the ‘it’s time’ factor back into power. It has to make a case for government and policies will have to stand up to scrutiny. Just ask Bill Shorten.

Politicians are asking to be given the keys to the kingdom, the purse strings and great power. They should not expect to get a free pass, especially in an election campaign.

Journalists doing their job are a vital part of our democratic process, but in recent times, it seems politicians see them as fair game, taking the phrase shooting the messenger to new levels.

In other countries, this is being taken literally.

Giving me the finger may have been an impulsive, silly gesture, but it sends an awful message to the community.

Ms Lee says she respects journalists and regrets her behaviour. Time to start walking the talk.

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Hey Ian

The CT is explaining why Ms Lee got so upset with you asking questions.

Seems she had a hundred million reasons.

Really can’t have that in the CM job

Face it Ian, whatever she said or did you were going to spin it negatively. You give her no reason to hold back so she didn’t. Cry me a river.

How appropriate is that headline! Ms Lee shoots the (ALP) messenger!

But in all seriousness, the author mentions times when he’s given Barr the same belligerent treatment. I couldn’t find any supporting evidence. Any chance he could share a couple of links to support his assertion? I mean surely it’s reasonable we ask that question, and keep repeatedly asking it until he provides it. Otherwise maybe he’s being evasive?

AnotherGrumpyOldMan1:22 pm 18 Oct 24

Vote 1 the bird

Why did they keep filming her after the interview was over and she was walking away.

Really, rather than another polarising article can we have something interesting and positive

Ian Bushnell supports Mr Barr’s view that Chris Steel’s $75 million dollar HR System stuff up was a learning opportunity.

Whilst I hope Ms Lee’s silly gesture was also a learning opportunity for her, I know which error was more impactful across the Canberra community and which error should have been commented on more by Mr Bushnell.

Imagine a male politician doing that to a female journalist. His career would have been over.

Also used words like ‘mansplaining’ to try and get herself out of this situation! Looks like she has ‘womansplained’ herself and played the victim card.

Libs are not fit to govern; it’s a chronically sick party that produced this leader; only electoral decimation will fix them

Gregg Heldon10:24 am 18 Oct 24

Ian, you have never pressed Barr on any of his costings. If you have, we’ve never seen it articulated in any article on Riotact. And, because of this, you are unprofessional and too cosy and biased towards the Labor Party.
In addition, in all of your stories about the Liberals, I don’t recall one positive attribute mentioned about Elizabeth Lee.

Journos bait everyone, readers included.
She flipped the bird, so what, shows shes a real person.

People must have had their eyes closed and their ears filled with wax. Since Barr was elected in 2006 he has consistently sniped and ridiculed not only unsympathetic journos who ask hard questions but ignored voters who he feels are beneath him (Over 50s, people who oppose his ideas etc). No one dare question the ‘Chiefs’ point of view. The only reason he has keep his mouth shut at this time (prior to an election) and not antagonised voters is that his minders have reminded him that he has form with dealing with miscreants to his authority and his ‘mistakes’ from him and his cronies are piling up. That being said I am not a supporter of any of political party and I believe that despite being human Ms Lee should keep her emotions in check especially when dealing with the media who will take every opportunity to push their barrow.

Hey Ian, people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Keep that in mind buddy.

We have seen the many different faces of Elizabeth Lee in the past few weeks in her carefully scripted, rehearsed and stage-managed election campaign in the lead up to the election. In her debates with the chief minister she has smiled, giggled, sniped, interrupted, finger pointed, talked over, smirked and hurled insults at him, deflecting and evading key questions.

Now she has been caught on film sticking her middle finger up and mouthing obscenities at a journalist behind his back because he had asked her a few questions she did not like and refused to answer. She is now attempting to muddy the waters, tarnish his reputation and play the sexist card!

To all you contributors to this thread excusing Ms Lee’s uncouth and disgraceful conduct, which would never have been tolerated from the chief minister or the Green’s leader, or heaven forbid, directed at her, I wonder whether she has the ability or character for the top job and how she would perform in high level meetings with dignitaries or other state and territory leaders should her party win the election.

The mind boggles!

Character would be declaring employment in a government member’s office…

Jack D thinks the Liberals are bad.

More news at 11.

I don’t think chewy, I know!

Results from this year’s election should start rolling in at 7pm tomorrow with another loss predicted for the Liberals!

This is a party that is so bad they have been in opposition for 23 years!

If Ian was actually offended he wouldn’t have taken a photo. What did Ian say this time? No mention here of why the bird was given.

Can we do a poll on the bird?

What an incredibly biased and self-serving article! A great pity that Elizabeth Lee gave Bushnell the ammunition to attack her when he already does it surreptitiously by consistently complimenting the actions of her opponent Andrew Barr, as if he can do no wrong. The rest of us see him more clearly.

Bushnell’s bias is clear to most of Riotact’s readers as shown by the comments on his articles, but of course he cannot see his own unconscious biases.

We see him more clearly. This article is beyond the pale as he describes himself as the good guy who was harmed by this terrible woman who he considers has the wrong temperament for the job. As if he was an expert in temperament and a credible source of information? He sees himself as riding on his white charger to save the public. He should take off the blinkers! And look at himself a bit more clearly. If he can do that, he might also see Barr more clearly and Elizabeth Lee more fairly.

HiddenDragon8:54 pm 17 Oct 24

“…..but it definitely calls into question whether the Opposition Leader has the temperament for the top job.”

Yes, losing patience with the media is definitely a sign of a polly who is not fit for leadership –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1aDvcP7-dw

Andrew Barr had been a minister for 12 years, and was in his second term as Chief Minister when we had this –

https://the-riotact.com/barrs-attack-on-the-media-will-come-back-to-haunt-him/236967

and it would have been around the same time that he responded to an unwelcome question from a journalist (perhaps the ABC journo referred to above) by accusing the individual of having links with the Liberal Party – but all is forgiven because the prickliness has since been dialed down.

The ACT Liberals do still have questions to answer about the costs of their policies, but with the notable exception of one outlet, the local media shows precious little interest (and not just during election campaigns) about the affordability of Labor/Green policies and the state of the ACT budget – most outlets have given less attention and priority to that crucial issue than to this episode.

The double standards are alive and well, and not just in questioning and reporting on financial management.

Remember when Gillard did the finger/bird in Parliament and everone thought it funny. She was a Labor Minister not a Candidate for a local election. Ian Bushnell has always shown contempt for the Liberals as many of his posts show. Labor are covered in teflon nut then the media bias against the Liberals has always been there. They are damned if they do and damned if they dont. The Fyshwick Prava is also in the mix. Now ready for being criticised for posting this.

Who hasn’t done that in their life. It shows she’s human and a normal human at that. Outrage for those who like to be outraged.

Capital Retro5:12 pm 17 Oct 24

If you are the same Ian Bushnell who used to work for the Fairfax owned, Labor supporting Canberra Times then nothing has changed.

Pathetic attempt at self justification by biased journalist. Read ABC report which I read as a pretty obnoxious pressing of questioning by Bushnell.
Cut Elizabeth some slack – she’s a mother of young children at the end of an arduous election campaign. She’s doing fine and at least had the guts to apologise for this slip. Perhaps an apology for not politely accepting her response to questions. It’s her choice how she responds and the public to make judgements on this.
Labor has countless missteps they are never pressed on. Bit of impartial reporting would be a relief.

Not Chief Minister material. Leaders need to be able to handle pressure without giving in to childish behaviour. Sets a poor standard and hints at what she might be like if elected.

What about Barr’s childish behaviour. Lee is not my pick, but this is such a little thing on which to make a judgement.

You were quite upset it seems by a woman no less maybe you should be a little more courteous to people but you think because your a journo you deserve respect think again

GrumpyGrandpa3:58 pm 17 Oct 24

Standards & Poor recently downgraded our credit rating and made comments along the lines, that the government spending is out of control.

In any other jurisdiction, journalists would be smelling blood and relentlessly demanding answers. The CM also being the Treasurer, is the guy responsible for our debt levels and yet, Mr Barr appears teflon-coated.

John Alexander Berry3:56 pm 17 Oct 24

Storm in a teacup! Moving on……

“I’ve lost count of the number of times I have pressed him on debt and deficit, light rail and his commitment to the job.”

Let me help. It’s a number close to zero.

I’ve lost count of the politically positive Ian Bushnell opinion pieces that read like an ACT Government press release.

Yes, surely there’s absolutely zero introspection going on to write that statement whilst publishing endless articles that are almost cut and paste jobs from the ACT Government’s position.

She needs to do a little growing up before being Chief Minister I think.

Her support among the under tens is likely to be booming with that sterling face pulling and finger flip (there’s already a few memes out and about).

Unfortunately they don’t vote.

Mr Barr isn’t a personal favourite either. However, as far as I am aware he hasn’t engaged in a display as childish and petty as this.

Ms Lee might do well to be seen to do the right thing and apologise to the affected party regardless of how hard done by she feels.

What, being super serious when you’re blowing billions on a team to nowhere which has no business case… Makes it better?

If you’re in the wrong, it doesn’t matter if you turn up in a suit and tie.

Conversely, if you’re right, it doesn’t actually matter if you use hand signs as a path for expressing opinion on the value and validity of a persons’ concerns, ‘journalist’ nonwithstanding.

No, he’s much sneakier and more practiced at keeping his incompetence and poor behaviours well hidden, necessary given the harm they do. Yes Ms Lee’s action was silly, but not harmful to anyone except herself. We can’t say the same of Barr, or of Bushnell.

@Bernard
Barr had his own little melt down in 2018 … and it wasn’t limited to a single ACT journalist:
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/mar/12/act-chief-minister-says-hates-journalists-and-is-over-mainstream-media

Well, Ian Bushnell how about you ‘do your job’ and be impartial? Ever since I subscribed to Riotact and read your articles it has not been pretty obvious which side of politics you support (left-wing). Which I have stated in comments a few times before this. Maybe you need to look at your behaviour instead of playing the victim. You don’t mind dishing out criticism, mostly to the centre-right side of politics, but then you can’t handle being criticised yourself.

I can’t say that I’m a fan of Ian Bushnell, but Lee’s behaviour was completely inappropiate! And this clown is aspiring to be elected Chief Minister of the ACT?

The only reason Ms Lee is avidly deflecting…blah, blah, blah…is that she got caught. But that moment reveals what character of a Chief Minister she would make. Give the finger to anything and anyone who does not cave in. If in doubt, ask Ms Kikkert. The pity is that there are some good people in the Canberra Liberals who genuinely want the best for the ACT but dare not step out of line. Perhaps they will do a Payman.

Balance needed2:24 pm 17 Oct 24

I can understand Ms Lee’s frustrations with having to deal with an obvious left-leaning journalist (activist?) who now describes himself as a “messenger”, but of course that does not excuse her exasperated action, which to her credit she has now repeatedly acknowledged.

“I’ve lost count of the number of times I have pressed him on debt and deficit, light rail and his commitment to the job.” Apologies if I’ve missed the articles on these questions but when? Him saying it’s not the public’s business knowing how many $B’s the tram will cost and then not following up with a please explain is hardly pressing Mr Barr

Perhaps some actual reflection on how the media in this town deals with the various political parties is needed instead.

The relationships are often far too cozy with government for both practical and ideological reasons, with a government who’s been in power for over 20 years.

We are really a big country town after all and the adage of not biting the hand that feeds you applies well.

The current government does not remotely get the level of media scrutiny that it deserves and that competent journalists would apply in other jurisdictions. To claim it does, is a joke in itself.

Daniel O'CONNELL1:58 pm 17 Oct 24

Don’t take yourself too seriously Ian

It’s probably not a showstopper for the Liberals in the scheme of the election campaign. But can see both sides – it was puerile and stupid (how would Ms Lee fit in with the big kids in National Cabinet acting like this?), but will trump the $billions being spent on light rail without releasing the business case and providing full disclosure?

ChrisinTurner2:54 pm 17 Oct 24

There was a Business Case for Stage 1 to Gungahlin, which favoured BRT (Bus Rapid Transit).

Capital Retro12:13 pm 18 Oct 24

Someone must have interpreted BRT to mean “Bright Red Trams” because that is what we got.
Remember when Carnell said “get Canturf (for Bruce oval) and someone ordered turf from Cairns?

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