10 October 2024

Was Lee's debate aggression a winner or a turnoff? Well, that depends

| Ian Bushnell
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A feisty Elizabeth Lee makes a point in Tuesday’s Leaders Debate. Photo: Screenshot.

Elizabeth Lee didn’t hold back in Tuesday’s ABC Leaders Debate.

With just the two of them on the stage and one person asking questions, she let people know just what she thought of Andrew Barr.

She sniped, interrupted, talked over and hurled more than a few insults at the Labor leader, who wasn’t about to take the bait, keeping a laser focus on getting his message across.

Ms Lee displayed more range in her performance, from engaging smiles – even an occasional smirk – to indignant finger-pointing to genuine passion.

Not too many facts, but that was not the point.

She was the one making the case for change, and her job was to keep reminding voters that Mr Barr had been there long enough and that she was more than ready and willing to take the reins.

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Mr Barr had seen and heard it all before in the Legislative Assembly, and with just 60 seconds to answer – let’s say respond – to a question, he wasn’t going to waste precious time arguing the toss.

But at least twice, he said a simple fact check would refute Ms Lee’s claims. No chance there. With only a half hour on the clock, moderator James Glenday did his best but had to keep moving on.

Ms Lee’s most unconvincing moments were laced with the most invective when queried about costings and the budget. She said she wasn’t about to take advice from the worst treasurer in the history of self-government who was yet to deliver a budget surplus.

However, when asked about the exit of Elizabeth Kikkert from the party and the demotion of former deputy leader Jeremy Hanson, she successfully asserted that she was capable of making tough decisions.

Mr Barr remained statesmanlike throughout, projecting experience and renovating his leadership credentials by reminding voters of his steadfast service during the pandemic.

Always across the details, he dissected the Liberals’ tax and spending plans and listed Labor achievements across not just this term but the past few and those planned for the next.

However, both leaders ignored the thrust of questions to make their points and, in Ms Lee’s case, turned them around to attack her opponent.

Discovering something new was probably too much to expect after virtually months of campaigning; neither was about to announce anything.

For Ms Lee, it was about style over substance and landing a few blows on her adversary, while Mr Barr ensured he hit his KPIs.

With no clear victor, the debate outcome probably depends on your perspective.

Ms Lee’s feisty performance would have heartened the Liberal base, but it is doubtful that she would have won over disenchanted Labor voters toying with changing columns. In fact, her open disrespect for the Chief Minister may have been a turnoff.

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Word is those Labor voters won’t turn blue but are looking to independents to send a message. If the next government does hang on a couple of independents, Ms Lee might have to tone down the uncompromising manner she took into the debate.

But Labor remains confident that its primary vote will hold up sufficiently to hang on to its 10 seats and that the Liberal disarray in Ginninderra might furnish another. Throw in the Greens, and you can see how hard it will be for the Liberals.

Ms Lee might mock the Chief Minister’s economic chops, but his head for numbers extends to how the votes may fall.

They have one more bout next Wednesday at the Property Council Leaders Debate. But by then, especially with early voting, there won’t be too many undecideds left to woo.

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Mr Bushnell’s questioning of Ms Lee now making ABC news.

Anyone who’s read the Riotact over the last year will see his consistent reporting biases. There must be some history here.

Feisty? I’d like to see the last time someone used feisty to describe a male politician…..

Bushnell’s articles are like the Wikipedia article on Barr, where there is a lot of focus on achievements and a conspicuous absence of any mention of all the failures and stuff-ups, including the very costly ones to ACT residents.

Are the same spin doctors at work?

When you don’t have anything sensible to say, aggression is the usual alternative.

HiddenDragon8:45 pm 11 Oct 24

“Ms Lee’s feisty performance would have heartened the Liberal base, but it is doubtful that she would have won over disenchanted Labor voters toying with changing columns.”

Yes – although in many cases, the “toying with changing columns” was never going to go any further than toying, so Lee’s “feisty” performance will be the convenient excuse for remaining rusted on while pretending not to be.

By way of contrast, Lee’s closing statement was very good – more of that style and the themes it embraced, throughout the debate would have been a much better approach.

James Glenday, articulate and very likable, asked good questions in the debate as he always does! His leaders’ interviews throughout the campaigning have been equally as good!

I hope Mr Glenday has recovered from his sore throat and is hosting the ABC’s election night coverage. Unlike previous hosts of the event, I hope Mr Glenday pronounces Antony Green’s name correctly, ANTONY, not ANTNY. ANTNY has the same sort of effect on me as someone running their fingernails down a school chalk board!

Mr Green has been around for what seems forever and is a national treasure when it comes to covering elections, so it will be good to see someone, anyone, finally pronouncing his name correctly!

One also hopes that the ABC sorts out its technical issues and subtitling which seems to be a regular event which gets Mr Green (and viewers like me) all worked up during screening! Like, I mean, local elections only come around once every four years!

I also hope that Vicki Dunne is a guest again this year’s election coverage! I particularly enjoyed it when the compere at the end of asked her with a fixed smile if she believed Bill Steffaniak’s party had taken votes from the Liberals. The expression on her face was priceless with her lips tightening up tighter than a snakes bottom! It was brilliant and really made my night!

Ya gotta love Bill!!

Put both Barr and Lee in a room, lock the door and let’s have a leader who is responsive to the real needs of ACT citizens first and foremost.

The debate:
Barr – insipid, dismissive and evasive.
Lee – informed, passionate and abrasive.

Lee would have decisively won the debate if she had controlled her impulse to interrupt and just stayed focussed on the multitude of Labor/Greens failures: housing unaffordability, tripled rates, excessive charges and taxes, declining tree canopy, kangaroo culls, hospital wait times, indigenous incarceration rates, IT and consultant waste and mismanagement, tram costs, continuous budget deficits, rising interest debt burden …
It should be an easy choice – well over time to dismiss this incompetent and complacent government.
But this is Canberra and Barr will appeal to an ovine electorate.

She won easily, Barr was nervous and loose on the truth

Perhaps we must look more closely at the character of those we select for the Assembly. Maybe look at those who care about the Territory and its citizens, rather than just those seeking power for their ego and agendas. Is it a case of the devil we know, or the devil wanting to bully her way into power? “Magic pudding” Lee has demonstrated why she would be an archetypal politician instead of someone with genuine concern for the people of the ACT. Sadly it will be another four years before folk with character like Parton and Castley can lead a people-focussed Liberal party to government in the ACT.

This is such a misogynistic take from Ian Bushnell, God forbid a woman demonstrates assertiveness! Elizabeth Lee was not aggressive, she was holding Barr to account – something Bushnell absolutely fails to do as a so called journo! If Barr performed the same way Lee did then Bushnell would say he was authoritative and praise him for ensuring the sun rose this morning.

I am sure if the boot was on the other foot and it was Andrew Barr doing the sniping, interrupting, indignant finger pointing, talking over, smirking and hurling a few insults at the thin skinned Elizabeth Lee you would be singing a different tune D.Jack!

Margaret Freemantle2:01 pm 11 Oct 24

It will be a sad state of affairs if bullying and nastiness are seen as leadership qualities.

devils_advocate10:03 am 11 Oct 24

Lmao

“Aggressive”

“Attack”

Yeah calling out a sitting chief minister on his BS doesn’t sit too well does it

After hearing about how feisty and aggressive Ms Lee was, I ended watching the debate on Iview.

Andrew Barr, spoke with clarity and control, but he also looked disinterested in engaging with the Liberal leader and I think for gender reasons didn’t want to aggressively attack the tiny Ms Lee the way he previously treated Zed and Coe.

Ms Lee was far less aggressive and interrupting than I expected (based on the media and Labor criticism), but the last five minutes she definitely overdid it, to her detriment.

Mr Bushnell is unfortunately more politically biased than a Sky News commentator and hard to take credibly.

No, really – no-one is more biased than a Sky News commentator.
And, yes, the interruptions were distracting considering the Chief Minister didn’t interrupt Ms Lee.

Well done BJ demonstrating balanced reporting. (PS @RiotACT can we have a like button please :))

Yes, in all honesty definitely not worse than the ridiculous Sky News, but Ian has been pretty poor these last few months and clearly not even trying to hold the government to account or fact check claims.

Agreed. Bushnell’s articles sometimes show some even handedness, but this ranks highly amongst those clearly favouring the ALP. It didn’t even mention that Barr claimed the feds are onboard for 50/50 funding of stage 2B, when all they’ve done is put in some money for design work. There is no commitment to fund the construction. Any reputable cost benefit will sink it from the feds point of view, because the benefits will be only a fraction of the costs.

Wow! This might be the most biased article I’ve read by Mr Bushnell yet! It reads like Mr Barr fan fiction with statements like “remained statesman like throughout”. And then statements like always across the details, ignoring the fact that many disenfranchised voters want him to be transparent with some of that detail with the rest of us. Please Mr Bushnell, at least be transparent that you’re writing an opinion piece on your preferred candidate rather than an independent piece of journalism.

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