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Majura Parkway planning fail

johnboy 6 June 2013 30

Brendan Smyth is having some fun with Simon Corbell’s planning efforts with the Majura Parkway:

It was revealed that Simon Corbell as Planning Minister was asked by businesses at the Majura Park Shopping Precinct to provide on and off access from the Majura Parkway to the northern end of the Majura Park Shopping Precinct. He declined, so this access is not in the currently approved plans for Majura Parkway, nor is it budgeted for.

“That means that even before a single square meter of road has been laid the Government has had to modify its plans and devote additional funds to make up for

Simon Corbell’s failure. This is so typical of so many of the ACT Government’s capital works projects,” Mr Smyth said.

“Not to plan for northern access to the precinct is a complete disregard for proper planning processes, and a complete disregard for the viability of those businesses and the Canberrans they employ.

“Andrew Barr has now had to step in to make up for Simon Corbell’s shortfalls as the Planning Minister.

So remember folks, when Liberals talk about family values, they mean the Snow family’s values.


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Sandman Sandman 8:10 pm 07 Jun 13

Why should the CAG be expected to chip in for a northern access road? It’s not like Terry Snow is planning a mega transport hub that would greatly benefit from this road that’s capable of taking the new B-Triples with perfect access to both Sydney and Melbourne………..

Um, wait…….. Never mind, forget I said anything.

howeph howeph 5:30 pm 07 Jun 13

bikhet said :

I agree that the competition is unfair, but there is a difference between unfair competition and theft. I don’t condone either or them, but one is illegal and the other is “only” unethical. Refer to the discussion elsewhere of Apple, Google, etc “not paying their fair share of taxes.”

Ok, maybe the use of the word “stole” is too harsh, but I’m not convinced. Certainly I am not implying that the law was broken, only that loop-holes in the law were exploited.

‘Stole’ doesn’t necessarily mean to break the law. It can mean “to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance” e.g. He stole my girlfriend.
[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stole]

JC JC 5:29 pm 07 Jun 13

HiddenDragon said :

I hope the ACT Government got some worthwhile revenue out of the Fyshwick DFO – at the time, I thought the decision to go ahead with that one was a mixture of wishful thinking and wilful, “we’ll show you” smartarsery.

The ACT government did make a lot out of DFO. Remember Mr Snow himself was bidding for the same land. The price paid in the end was about double what it should have been.

After he lost that’s when he decided to build Brand Depot (as a spoiler) but feel in the poop because most of the big names had already signed with DFO. He also put in legal objections to the DFO development further spoiling the party, despite of course him wanting the same land to do the SAME development.

And people wonder why the Snow family is disliked so much.

JC JC 5:24 pm 07 Jun 13

Mothy said :

This. At first I was like “there’s no off ramp?” But no, it’s just nothing at the “Northern End”.

Cry more noobs.

Actually there is. Near the AFP facility.

JC JC 5:21 pm 07 Jun 13

Sounds like another beat up from the Libs. Majura road as it is today will still go past Majura park. To get off the Majura parkway if coming from the south you exit at Fairbairn Ave by crossing Fairbarin Ave on a bridge then a left turn onto Fairbairn Ave. If coming from the North there will be an exit about halfway along the parkway at Tambaret Sreet or continue on down, go slightly past then double back.

So not exactly sure what Mr Smyth really wants in this case. What they are doing is logical, Majura Parkway is a bloody freeway, Majura Road is the feeder road. There are exits where they should be and people get happily get to Snowtown. In fact it should be easier as there will be only local traffic on Majura road.

Here is the map.

http://www.majuraparkway.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/229612/Majura_Parkway_Alignment.pdf

JC JC 5:11 pm 07 Jun 13

neanderthalsis said :

So Westfield has paid for the road infrastructure that feeds punters into their centres? How about the bus interchange at Belconnen, did Westfield pay for that too? Or the local strip shops pay for the roads and car parks that enable the general public to buy a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk on their way home form work?

Forget about Belconnen because that was in the past when the shopping centre was owned by the federal government.

Instead lets look at a hypothetical new development. The new development would be built in a location of the governments choosing (which wasn’t the case with Majura Park). The development would factor in roads public transport etc and part of the costs of providing these services would be meet by through the land sales, again which didn’t happen with Majura park. So in essence the answer to your question is yes.

But getting back to Belconnen for a second, when it was recently redeveloped Westfield did actually pay for the bus station!

bikhet bikhet 5:02 pm 07 Jun 13

howeph said :

Hi Bikhet,

I think that this is your comment directed at me, but the quoting has gotten a bit mixed up , so I have tried to fix it to make sense:

bikhet said :

howeph said :

And don’t forget the airport business park stole rentals and investment from the existing business rental areas such as Civic…

No it didn’t – it out-competed Civic and the rest of the ACT for those businesses in the business park.

But don’t you see that by being a unregulated development the business park had/has an unfair advantage, operating outside of the control of the ACT planning department that their competitors must comply with.

To be specific the ACT government controls/restricts the release of land for development to ensure that the value of the existing areas doesn’t go down and ensuring continual levels of investment in those areas. In this way the Government tries to avoid the “ghetto” areas that appear in many poorly regulated cities. The airport, because of quirks in the legal zoning of it, is outside of this regulation system and this was capitalised on by Mr Snow to the detriment of the larger community (in particular his competitors).

Yes, that’s what I meant – sorry for stuffing up the quotes.

I agree that the competition is unfair, but there is a difference between unfair competition and theft. I don’t condone either or them, but one is illegal and the other is “only” unethical. Refer to the discussion elsewhere of Apple, Google, etc “not paying their fair share of taxes.”

Madam Cholet Madam Cholet 3:52 pm 07 Jun 13

EvanJames said :

HiddenDragon said :

Love neanderthalsis’ comment about the Costco customers with the trailer-load of toilet paper – so true!

I’m the only CostCo member on the face of the earth never to have bought toilet paper from them, they keep threatening to rescind my membership if I don’t comply and buy some ply. They even have trolleys designed with a special toilet paper shelf (the one underneath).

As for who’s badgering the government, it’s not the shops, it’s their benevolent overlord.

I have never bought any there for myself or my family, but I have had to do so for my mother in law who seems to get through reams of it (in Sydney). The other Costco item that people buy in large quantities is mince meat – 10 kilo packs. They must have the 101 things to do with mince meat cookbook at home. Maybe given out by the government pre-1985 or something?

howeph howeph 3:03 pm 07 Jun 13

Hi Bikhet,

I think that this is your comment directed at me, but the quoting has gotten a bit mixed up , so I have tried to fix it to make sense:

bikhet said :

howeph said :

And don’t forget the airport business park stole rentals and investment from the existing business rental areas such as Civic…

No it didn’t – it out-competed Civic and the rest of the ACT for those businesses in the business park.

But don’t you see that by being a unregulated development the business park had/has an unfair advantage, operating outside of the control of the ACT planning department that their competitors must comply with.

To be specific the ACT government controls/restricts the release of land for development to ensure that the value of the existing areas doesn’t go down and ensuring continual levels of investment in those areas. In this way the Government tries to avoid the “ghetto” areas that appear in many poorly regulated cities. The airport, because of quirks in the legal zoning of it, is outside of this regulation system and this was capitalised on by Mr Snow to the detriment of the larger community (in particular his competitors).

EvanJames EvanJames 3:01 pm 07 Jun 13

HiddenDragon said :

Love neanderthalsis’ comment about the Costco customers with the trailer-load of toilet paper – so true!

I’m the only CostCo member on the face of the earth never to have bought toilet paper from them, they keep threatening to rescind my membership if I don’t comply and buy some ply. They even have trolleys designed with a special toilet paper shelf (the one underneath).

As for who’s badgering the government, it’s not the shops, it’s their benevolent overlord.

Heavs Heavs 2:40 pm 07 Jun 13

James-T-Kirk said :

Does anybody actually know what is to come of the cricket pitch that has been slowly rotting away near these roadworks?

It’s a bizarre little setup isn’t it. Looks like they’ve temp fenced off the pitch but will be dozing through the rest of the oval including the pavilion.

HiddenDragon HiddenDragon 2:30 pm 07 Jun 13

I hope the ACT Government got some worthwhile revenue out of the Fyshwick DFO – at the time, I thought the decision to go ahead with that one was a mixture of wishful thinking and wilful, “we’ll show you” smartarsery.

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 2:20 pm 07 Jun 13

Does anybody actually know what is to come of the cricket pitch that has been slowly rotting away near these roadworks?

howeph howeph 2:15 pm 07 Jun 13

watto23 said :

I always wonder why everyone hates the snow family so much on here.

I can only speak for myself but I don’t hate the Snow family. Disagreeing on specific issues is a very long way from hate. And I also recognise the good philanthropic work the do too.

watto23 said :

Yes can understand the development issues, and they have to make money at the airport somehow, maybe users could pay more via some other method. Yeah that would spark an outrage, paying more than we do for parking at the airport. Its apparently too expensive for some people now.

Don’t worry, I’m sure they will make their money somehow. Airports by their very nature are a monopoly after all (that’s why that shouldn’t have been privatised in the first place).

watto23 said :

Also the road is partially federally funded. Did the discussions even enter into whether the airport could pay half for the exit ramp. Also what effetc on traffic will not putting an exit ramp have. alright to get all fired up based on your political persuasion or own personl thoughts regarding the snow family, but if not putting an exit ramp, cause traffic issues further down the road for other road users well one could argue the cost of an exit ramp near the shops where alot of traffic will be headed makes perfect sense.

All true… and as I said before “And now we the tax payer are being asked to provide ever more infrastructure to support his un-planned expansions. Great deal for some.” Perhaps the Snows can pay to fix the problems they have created instead of asking the tax payer to do it for them.

watto23 said :

But i’m not one to let political bias or popularist bagging of people to get in my way of looking at issues.

Good for you. Me neither.

watto23 said :

I will agree that Corbell probably stuffed something up here.

Great… what is it that he has stuffed up then? It’s hard to discuss an elusive “something”.

bikhet bikhet 2:13 pm 07 Jun 13

watto23 said :

I always wonder why everyone hates the snow family so much on here.

I don’t hate the Snow family. I just don’t want them using public money to provide a private benefit.

howeph said :

neanderthalsis said :

So Westfield has paid for the road infrastructure that feeds punters into their centres? How about the bus interchange at Belconnen, did Westfield pay for that too? Or the local strip shops pay for the roads and car parks that enable the general public to buy a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk on their way home form work?

They all conformed to the ACT planning. Those areas were specifically designed/planned to be shopping centres – years in advance. The Government planned and budgeted for those developments. The ACT government received the revenue from the land sales/leases – so yes, indirectly, they did pay for the infrastructure.

None of the above, to my knowledge, is true for the airport.

neanderthalsis said :

And don’t forget the airport business park stole rentals and investment from the existing business rental areas such as Civic…

No it didn’t – it out-competed Civic and the rest of the ACT for those businesses in the business park.

    johnboy johnboy 2:17 pm 07 Jun 13

    Easy to out compete when you’re not regulated.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 2:11 pm 07 Jun 13

neanderthalsis said :

“So remember folks, when Liberals talk about family values, they mean the Snow family’s values.”

One would have thought that decent access to major retail precincts would have been factored in in the original design phase. Having one way in and out of Snowtown would lead to huge bottlenecks on the road as people try to manoeuvre their trailer load of toilet paper out of the Costco carpark.

It would require expensive work later to fix, so best get it sorted before the sods start turning.

There have been ongoing design issues with the road, access to the Majura shooting range has been an ongoing area of contention for some time and has resulted in a number of modifications to the plan.

The Libs pointing out that Corbell is as useless as udders on a bull is not news to anyone that has seen the 5 star cluster f*&ks that his time in the office of Planning Minister gave us. The fact that this time it is in support of a political donor for the Libs is just a bonus.

They are building a Limited Access expressway, a type of road that in the road heirarchy requires very few “conflict poins” or the speed limit has to drop markedly (remember 80kph on GDE?).
Yet still the Snows want multiple access points to service their development, choking the road like their stupid little roundabouts currently do?

Besides, why should we shovel millions of taxpayer dollars into propping up an unplanned retail centre that has caused untold cost and grief for the other (planned) town centres around our city?

Brand Depot bled money for the Snows, and the precinct will suffer again once the new road opens. The difference this time is that the retailers in there are all huge companies rather than local franchise operators, so people will probably have even less sympathy.

watto23 watto23 1:35 pm 07 Jun 13

I always wonder why everyone hates the snow family so much on here. Yes can understand the development issues, and they have to make money at the airport somehow, maybe users could pay more via some other method. Yeah that would spark an outrage, paying more than we do for parking at the airport. Its apparently too expensive for some people now.

Also the road is partially federally funded. Did the discussions even enter into whether the airport could pay half for the exit ramp. Also what effetc on traffic will not putting an exit ramp have. alright to get all fired up based on your political persuasion or own personl thoughts regarding the snow family, but if not putting an exit ramp, cause traffic issues further down the road for other road users well one could argue the cost of an exit ramp near the shops where alot of traffic will be headed makes perfect sense.

But i’m not one to let political bias or popularist bagging of people to get in my way of looking at issues.

I will agree that Corbell probably stuffed something up here.

Mothy Mothy 12:47 pm 07 Jun 13

chewy14 said :

But if you read the story, there was access provided in the design.

It’s just not the preferred access that the shops wanted.

Well boo hoo, you want your preferred access rather than the planned access, then you can pay for it.

This. At first I was like “there’s no off ramp?” But no, it’s just nothing at the “Northern End”.

Cry more noobs.

howeph howeph 12:27 pm 07 Jun 13

neanderthalsis said :

So Westfield has paid for the road infrastructure that feeds punters into their centres? How about the bus interchange at Belconnen, did Westfield pay for that too? Or the local strip shops pay for the roads and car parks that enable the general public to buy a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk on their way home form work?

They all conformed to the ACT planning. Those areas were specifically designed/planned to be shopping centres – years in advance. The Government planned and budgeted for those developments. The ACT government received the revenue from the land sales/leases – so yes, indirectly, they did pay for the infrastructure.

None of the above, to my knowledge, is true for the airport.

neanderthalsis said :

Government funded transport infrastructure should provide adequate linkages to existing services. The fact that the current plan for the Majura parkway redevelopment has only one access point for a large and well frequented retail and business precinct is a glaring inadequacy in the design.

The un-planned development at the airport has effectively holding the ACT Government to ransom: “Uninvited we are here now. There is nothing you can do about it. If you don’t pay lots of money to help us make lots of money, we’ll make traffic congestion a nightmare.”

And don’t forget the airport business park stole rentals and investment from the existing business rental areas such as Civic, and the airport shopping precinct helped to send the planned DFO in Fyshwick into receivership.

Meanwhile Mr Snow gives $8 million to an elite private school… maybe he can pay for his own infrastructure?

neanderthalsis said :

Take Snow and the Libs out of the argument and you still have a planning cockup.

You can’t take Snow out of the argument because you would be “just ignor[ing] the context around issue”. Which you agreed you can’t do.

HiddenDragon HiddenDragon 11:57 am 07 Jun 13

The current arrangement at the northern end can make for some moderately exciting moments when you realise you’ve gone too far; for those whose instinct is to turn right (not necessarily in a political sense) as soon as possible, it is reassuring to discover there are internal roads connecting the various vast buildings in that precinct.

Love neanderthalsis’ comment about the Costco customers with the trailer-load of toilet paper – so true!

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