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New bus station in Gungahlin Square

By calligraphy - 17 November 2016 19

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Hello all,

Can you please tell me your thoughts and advice on the following?

The ACT Government is planning to build a new bus station in Gungahlin, on the street immediately adjacent to the Gungahlin Square apartments.

I have recently read through the plans on the Development Applications website, including the noise and air pollution surveys, which I am immensely dissatisfied with.

I have a unit in the Gungahlin Square apartment building on level 1. When this new bus station is built, it will be literally within a couple of metres of my balcony. That means noisy buses (estimated to be up to 80 per hour in the near future), fumes, etc, will coming into the only outdoors access point for my unit. The noise survey conducted for this proposal shows that the noise will undoubtedly affect the residents’ lifestyle, as it will be disruptive within bedrooms and lounge rooms (the units do not have double glazing).

I can’t believe that this particular section of Gungahlin Place has been chosen. ACT Govt representatives tell me that it is because it will be a short walk for bus passengers to get from this particular location to the light rail terminus. However, there is another perfectly viable option to locate the bus station on the other side of Gungahlin Place – adjacent to the Coles building, where there are no residences, and it still within close walking distance to the trams.

Although I lodged an objection when it was first open for public consultation (November 2015), I received no response, and it appears the development is going ahead despite the concerns of the owners in Gungahlin Place.

Nowhere else in Canberra has a large bus station located so close to residences. It is only because it is also close to the light rail station that the Government does not seem to mind making a huge disruption to hundreds of peoples’ lives.

Please see my Facebook group on this issue: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1524786337538242/ I only just started it so there’s not much on there yet.

I’ve emailed the building’s body corporate, the My Gungahlin Facebook group, Gungahlin Community Council, WIN News, Canberra Times, Megan Fitzharris’s office, Mick Gentleman’s office, etc but have received very little response and definitely not much support.

Surely it’s completely wrong to subject people in their homes to a noisy smelly bus station right outside? I’m deeply unimpressed at how the Government is trying to sneak this one in. I’m going to make a submission before the consultation period ends, but in reality, will my views even be considered??

What’s Your opinion?


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New bus station in Gungahlin Square
JC 8:00 pm 18 Nov 16

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

It was announced 12 months ago.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/gungahlin-bus-station-site-proposed-by-act-government-20151101-gko250.html

And I will ask the same question I just asked Dungers do you reckon a liberal government would have done anything different?

So, as usual, you ask if a non Labor/Greens Govt would have done it differently. That’s no defence what so ever to what ACT Labor/Greens have now actually done. Anyway, it matters not. It was announced 12 months ago and people still voted them back in that neck of the woods. The affected residents can complain all they like.

So, no care from me.

Not a matter of defending or attacking them actaully. Simple fact the dump has been there well before Tuggeranong. So buy near a dump then a bit rich to complain later about the smell.

And btw I used to own a place in Dunlop facing the tip when West Belconnen tip still had an active tip face and I grew up macgrgeor backing onto the reserve that seperate Macagrgeor and the tip. Yes we got smells, that’s what happens when you live close to a tip!

As for the comparison to the libs no point constantly blaming the government if the alternive would do the same. Not every decision gets down to petty point scoring and the like.

And besides I don’t recall the Libs having a plan to close mugga lane. Maybe your Liberal Party of Australia PC or do you represent the IPA might have the answer.

See your attacks on the government are not too different to my defence is it?

And for the record I am not nor have I ever been an ACT government employee nor employed, contracted or otherwise fiscally linked to any political party. Nor am I a member of any political party.

gbates 6:45 pm 18 Nov 16

I stayed at the serviced apartments next door the Tuggeranong station a few years back and it was awful. You could never have fresh air in the apartment because there was none and the noise from the buses goes until quite late at night. The ambience of a bus station is something quite different to the general “hustle and bustle” you’d expect from buying in a central location. As you are not a resident of the inner north, your views and your quality of life don’t matter to this government. Nonetheless I have sympathy for you regardless of which unappealing candidate you voted for. Best of luck.

dungfungus 1:21 pm 18 Nov 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

You buy an apartment in the middle of the shopping/commercial hub of Gungahlin and now cry “poor me” because of traffic noise and fumes? Isn’t one of the benefits of apartment living to be near public transport? If you didn’t want noise and fumes you should have bought in Crace, Forde or Casey. No sympathy from me.

“……should have bought in Crace, Forde or Casey.” ha ha, busses can’t even fit in these suburbs due to excellent town planning.

tuffmouse 1:08 pm 18 Nov 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

You buy an apartment in the middle of the shopping/commercial hub of Gungahlin and now cry “poor me” because of traffic noise and fumes? Isn’t one of the benefits of apartment living to be near public transport? If you didn’t want noise and fumes you should have bought in Crace, Forde or Casey. No sympathy from me.

Agree

tuffmouse 1:07 pm 18 Nov 16

Is this the future? Gungahlin residents get light rail and complain about bus services. Dickson residents get light rail and complain about Coles DOMA.
No sympathy from me for these groups.

wildturkeycanoe 9:21 am 18 Nov 16

You buy an apartment in the middle of the shopping/commercial hub of Gungahlin and now cry “poor me” because of traffic noise and fumes? Isn’t one of the benefits of apartment living to be near public transport? If you didn’t want noise and fumes you should have bought in Crace, Forde or Casey. No sympathy from me.

Lurker2913 6:21 am 18 Nov 16

I do not want to sound offensive but it took some thought for me to follow what you where proposing. I think you need to explain it better and use a graphic to succeed.

Here is how I would explain it along with a graphic. Even if the graphic is just texta on a Google Map.

The bus stations are going on both sides of the street on the northern half of Gungahlin Place. The existing centre island and trees will remain. The existing street parking will be removed and replaced by bus stations. These bus stations will be directly underneath residential balconies on the eastern side. The noise and pollution will unduly effect these residents, the liveability of their apartments and their health.

I assume you are proposing that the bus stations only be located adjacent to the two building facades that do not have residences facing Gungahlin Place. Otherwise just switching to the southern half of Gungahlin Place will cause the same problem for those residences.

If the government wants the bus stations in the middle of the town centre (as it is today) I think a “split bus interchange” is a fair compromise due to the initial planning of the town centre which included residences. Otherwise the loss of amenity to affected residents is too great.

If the government wants a “compact bus interchange” it needs to be moved. I think the bus stations should be on Flemington Road where some are currently located. The trams will be in the centre of the road and the buses on the two sides. The land adjacent to this location is undeveloped and therefore proper planning can take place to intergrate the bus stations. The town centre is planned to grow toward the east over the next twenty years and in the future this section will be in the middle of the town centre.

dungfungus 10:01 pm 17 Nov 16

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

When was Mugga Lane Landfil built? And do you think the Libs would have done anything different.

Ditto re your obscurification about whether ACT Libs would have done anything different. Might as well just excuse everything the ACT Labor/Greens Govt does then – which is about situation normal actually !

And u well know that it was only recently that Mugga Lane tip was expanded 300% to be the only refuse tip in Canberra – decades after the adjacent suburbs had been established. Just more clouding of the facts.

I bet if you look on your keyboard JC, you will see one of those dreaded stickers “Property of the ACT Labor/Greens Government”.

“I bet if you look on your keyboard JC, you will see one of those dreaded stickers “Property of the ACT Labor/Greens Government”.”

After reading the warning about the precarious state of the Territory’s finances in today’s Canberra Times, the “dreaded sticker” may soon be super-imposed with another even more-dreaded sticker reading “Property of The Receiver/Administrators of the ACT Labor/Greens minority government”

dungfungus 9:57 pm 17 Nov 16

JC said :

dungfungus said :

A lot of us in Tuggeranong have a noisy, dusty and smelly land fill and composting factory that we have to live with.

Welcome to the world of ACT the Labor minority/Greens government.

When was Mugga Lane Landfil built? When was Tuggeranong built? Your point? And do you think the Libs would have done anything different.

My point is JC, that while it has been where it is for a long time, it filled up 4 years ago long before it was projected to when it was to be closed.

There are stories that a lot of illegal dumping was being done there and the record keeping was appalling. An enquiry was held.

So, the question was find another tip site in the Territory (not available) or take up an offer from the operators of the bio-reactor at Woodlawn to transport our waste there by road, something Sydney is doing with 20% of its waste using rail and road.

Rattenbury declared “rubbish created in the ACT will stay in the ACT” so an extension of the land fill (which includes a smelly composting facility which has outgrown the site it is on) was done rather stealthily, locking in the odour and odourless toxic emission problems for several suburbs in Tuggeranong for another 25 years.

Interesting to see that not being content with keeping just our own rubbish, Rattenbury will be approving the proposed plastic to fuel recycling furnace at Hume to import 200 tonnes of non-recyclable plastic in to the Territory every day!

This muck will come from all over NSW by heavy road transport which was deemed to be an unsuitable way of moving our waste to Woodlawn.

How much more chicanery and hypocrisy do you need, JC?

rommeldog56 8:28 pm 17 Nov 16

JC said :

When was Mugga Lane Landfil built? And do you think the Libs would have done anything different.

Ditto re your obscurification about whether ACT Libs would have done anything different. Might as well just excuse everything the ACT Labor/Greens Govt does then – which is about situation normal actually !

And u well know that it was only recently that Mugga Lane tip was expanded 300% to be the only refuse tip in Canberra – decades after the adjacent suburbs had been established. Just more clouding of the facts.

I bet if you look on your keyboard JC, you will see one of those dreaded stickers “Property of the ACT Labor/Greens Government”.

rommeldog56 8:22 pm 17 Nov 16

JC said :

It was announced 12 months ago.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/gungahlin-bus-station-site-proposed-by-act-government-20151101-gko250.html

And I will ask the same question I just asked Dungers do you reckon a liberal government would have done anything different?

So, as usual, you ask if a non Labor/Greens Govt would have done it differently. That’s no defence what so ever to what ACT Labor/Greens have now actually done. Anyway, it matters not. It was announced 12 months ago and people still voted them back in that neck of the woods. The affected residents can complain all they like. So, no care from me.

JC 6:52 pm 17 Nov 16

rommeldog56 said :

Was this plan announced prior to or during the recent ACT Legislative Assembly election ??

Regardless, if u didn’t vote ACT Labor/Greens, then u have my sympathy and I wish u well in the battle.

If u (and others in that building and adjacent ones) did vote for ACT Labor/Greens, then u will have to put up with it. By default, its what u will get and so, quite frankly, I couldn’t care less.

It was announced 12 months ago.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/gungahlin-bus-station-site-proposed-by-act-government-20151101-gko250.html

And I will ask the same question I just asked Dungers do you reckon a liberal government would have done anything different?

And OP where do you reckon re bus station should be?

JC 6:47 pm 17 Nov 16

dungfungus said :

A lot of us in Tuggeranong have a noisy, dusty and smelly land fill and composting factory that we have to live with.

Welcome to the world of ACT the Labor minority/Greens government.

When was Mugga Lane Landfil built? When was Tuggeranong built? Your point? And do you think the Libs would have done anything different.

dungfungus 11:11 am 17 Nov 16

A lot of us in Tuggeranong have a noisy, dusty and smelly land fill and composting factory that we have to live with.

Welcome to the world of ACT the Labor minority/Greens government.

rommeldog56 10:49 am 17 Nov 16

Was this plan announced prior to or during the recent ACT Legislative Assembly election ??

Regardless, if u didn’t vote ACT Labor/Greens, then u have my sympathy and I wish u well in the battle.

If u (and others in that building and adjacent ones) did vote for ACT Labor/Greens, then u will have to put up with it. By default, its what u will get and so, quite frankly, I couldn’t care less.

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