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No crosses please, we’re a school

poetix 31 August 2012 124

I always thought my children – or child as it has turned out – would go to government schools. I believed (and still believe in many ways) that there should be one system of schooling, publicly funded.

And then… My daughter, at a very well regarded government primary school, made a cross from two sticks she found as a tribute to fallen soldiers for a Remembrance Day display. She was a Christian for some time before me, and this was totally her own idea on the day.

The cross was confiscated. She was not allowed to display it along with the floral tribute, although other small items (paper flowers and so on) were permitted. When I turned up at the end of the day, the cross was handed to me with the spoken message that ‘no religious symbols are permitted’. My daughter was quite upset, and felt she had done something wrong.

My own view is that her spontaneous tribute was a valuable thing. Turkish soldiers could also be honoured by other symbols. But I found it quite appalling that a primary school child’s respectful tribute to fallen soldiers was disallowed on the basis that it was religious. Of course, and rightly so, Muslim children at the school are able to wear headscarfs, but that is not seen as problematic.

And this is where it gets even more difficult. My daughter also came home from school very upset one day, as she has been told at a special presentation on Aboriginal culture that if she touched a didgeridoo, she would be made sick, and mightn’t be able to have children. I appreciate Aboriginal spirituality and culture being taught, but it is wrong, surely, to reduce a child to tears? It’s like an old notion of hell being used to scare a new generation of children.

Educationally, I had found the school wanting in some ways, so when a chance came to take up a position at an independent school a year early, we took it.

I made no protest against my daughter’s treatment, because we had the option and ability to remove her. Her new Anglican school is academically better, but also allows her to express herself more freely in a number of ways.

I’m not really seeking any answers through this overlong post, but just wanted to register my retrospective disgust at a little girl’s effort in remembering the war dead being censored. And the that certain spiritual beliefs are able to be expressed in government schools, but not others.

Her experience was fairly important to me in my developing religious beliefs, too, so I suppose I should be grateful. But I will always remember her look of shame at receiving back her confiscated cross.

The public school system lost a very bright little girl because she wasn’t an atheist. They also lost a committed family with skills to help the school. I had volunteered on a regular basis there.

But basically, the ideological position of the school, combined with a lack of options for intelligent kids, meant we left the goverment system forever. And thank God we had that choice. Many people don’t.

I’d appreciate any views on the issues raised here.


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bundah bundah 10:16 am 07 Sep 12

poetix said :

DrKoresh said :

astrojax said :

Jim Jones said :

ONWARDS MULLY SOLDIERS!!!

would this thread winning the mully be poetix justice?

Oh snap! Nailed that one, she’ll be quite cross once she gets this month’s Mully, I’ll bet. ‘Saint all bad though, Poetix, does’t really martyr in the long run, eh?

May this gloriously detailed, if appropriately bogan, Boxing Jesus come and knock you out!
http://www.art4god.com/html/?go=product&id=un
Or alternatively, set bears on you (bears come from the Woody).

Chuck Norris and Jesus have morphed.That’s gonna be a roundhouse kick that will send one into orbit!

poetix poetix 9:08 am 07 Sep 12

DrKoresh said :

astrojax said :

Jim Jones said :

ONWARDS MULLY SOLDIERS!!!

would this thread winning the mully be poetix justice?

Oh snap! Nailed that one, she’ll be quite cross once she gets this month’s Mully, I’ll bet. ‘Saint all bad though, Poetix, does’t really martyr in the long run, eh?

May this gloriously detailed, if appropriately bogan, Boxing Jesus come and knock you out!
http://www.art4god.com/html/?go=product&id=un
Or alternatively, set bears on you (bears come from the Woody).

DrKoresh DrKoresh 12:24 am 07 Sep 12

astrojax said :

Jim Jones said :

ONWARDS MULLY SOLDIERS!!!

would this thread winning the mully be poetix justice?

Oh snap! Nailed that one, she’ll be quite cross once she gets this month’s Mully, I’ll bet. ‘Saint all bad though, Poetix, does’t really martyr in the long run, eh?

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 8:14 pm 06 Sep 12

it’s not for me to start screaming at anyone who has religious beliefs, unless of course, they are raving, over the top loonies trying to shove it down my throat, such as the Mt Ainslie Fire on the Hill mob or Hillsong or any other fundamental religious group, whatever their ilk.

Then the only difference between you and me is that I draw the ‘loony’ line much lower down the stupid chain than you do. Another way of looking at would be that I have higher standards than you do.

And Jesus did not summon bears to kill kiddies.

I’m sorry. Here was thinking that the son was the father and all that. Or was Elisha your run-of-the- mill magic user, rather than a cleric, and his superpowers weren’t granted by his sky ghost?

A lot of it can be read as a metaphor. You don’t really take a fundamentalist point of view do you?

It’s hard for me to keep track of which bits are the literally true infallible words of the supreme creator, and which bits I can just ignore because it’s convenient. None of you seem to be able to agree on the matter, which would be worrying if it weren’t all made up. It would appear your deity needs a communication strategy that isn’t indistinguishable from schizophrenia.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 6:29 pm 06 Sep 12

johnboy said :

There’s a qualitative judgment on the comment. All this for instance doesn’t count.

Clearly I’ve missed that. Carry on.

You’ll be needing a new trophy/hubcap soon by the looks.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 5:44 pm 06 Sep 12

johnboy said :

There’s a qualitative judgment on the comment. All this for instance doesn’t count.

It’s a brave man who stands between God and a Mully.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 5:20 pm 06 Sep 12

johnboy said :

As has been noted the Mully Cup is a judged event and not just a raw exercise of the numbers.

Despite the blurb at the bottom of each Mully winner which reads: “The Mully Cup is awarded monthly to the entity stimulating the most comment on this website.”

🙂

    johnboy johnboy 5:22 pm 06 Sep 12

    There’s a qualitative judgment on the comment. All this for instance doesn’t count.

poetix poetix 4:51 pm 06 Sep 12

bundah said :

johnboy said :

As has been noted the Mully Cup is a judged event and not just a raw exercise of the numbers.

Poetix is far too modest.I got a sneaking suspicion she’d be quite chuffed at the prospect of being honoured with a Mully.

Christians don’t lie! 🙂

bundah bundah 4:27 pm 06 Sep 12

johnboy said :

As has been noted the Mully Cup is a judged event and not just a raw exercise of the numbers.

Poetix is far too modest.I got a sneaking suspicion she’d be quite chuffed at the prospect of being honoured with a Mully.

poetix poetix 4:27 pm 06 Sep 12

More than happy to bribe the judge with something so I don’t get it.

(Digs out ‘single malt’ thread.)

There I go again, solving things by expenditure…Or attempting to.

dpm dpm 4:20 pm 06 Sep 12

johnboy said :

As has been noted the Mully Cup is a judged event and not just a raw exercise of the numbers.

Yes, but this topic has generated a fair bit of real discussion, though not in an ‘event’ sense. Is that a defining criteria?
There have also been a few wasted comments, but surely most threads have a lot of those?
And, after all, doesn’t Poetix deserve some notoriety, if the cards were to fall that way in a few weeks?! 🙂

Jim Jones Jim Jones 4:11 pm 06 Sep 12

johnboy said :

As has been noted the Mully Cup is a judged event and not just a raw exercise of the numbers.

Jawohl, mein Kommandant.

justin heywood justin heywood 3:56 pm 06 Sep 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

And I just commented again, didn’t I?

I think you may have.

Sorry I just realised that you don’t want more posts, for fear of winning the Mully. Please disregard my previous post…

Quite right Colourful. We will ignore that comment.

    johnboy johnboy 3:59 pm 06 Sep 12

    As has been noted the Mully Cup is a judged event and not just a raw exercise of the numbers.

astrojax astrojax 3:32 pm 06 Sep 12

Jim Jones said :

ONWARDS MULLY SOLDIERS!!!

would this thread winning the mully be poetix justice?

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 3:20 pm 06 Sep 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

poetix said :

Jim Jones said :

ONWARDS MULLY SOLDIERS!!!

Why are people so unkind?

And I just commented again, didn’t I?

I think you may have.

Sorry I just realised that you don’t want more posts, for fear of winning the Mully. Please disregard my previous post…

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 2:56 pm 06 Sep 12

poetix said :

Jim Jones said :

ONWARDS MULLY SOLDIERS!!!

Why are people so unkind?

And I just commented again, didn’t I?

I think you may have.

poetix poetix 2:56 pm 06 Sep 12

Jim Jones said :

ONWARDS MULLY SOLDIERS!!!

Why are people so unkind?

And I just commented again, didn’t I?

Jim Jones Jim Jones 2:31 pm 06 Sep 12

ONWARDS MULLY SOLDIERS!!!

dpm dpm 2:25 pm 06 Sep 12

poetix said :

Just realised that there are 100 comments on this thread. Could someone please start a thread about cats in Lycra on bikes making cars stop at pedestrian crossings, well before the end of the month.

Many thanks.

Why, when you are so close to having your name immortalised on the Mully cup! Oh the shame…. Hahahaha!

astrojax astrojax 1:35 pm 06 Sep 12

poetix said :

Just realised that there are 100 comments on this thread. Could someone please start a thread about cats in Lycra on bikes making cars stop at pedestrian crossings, well before the end of the month.

Many thanks.

you wrote it, poetix – we all have our cross to bear*…

[*not a bear who eats children, btw]

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