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Not with those finger-prints mate – Sultans IDs its customers

By johnboy - 22 September 2008 83

[September 21, 2008 @ 11:39]

The Canberra Times brings word of the security measures at Sultan’s Nightclub (122 Alinga St, Civic) which have been in place for the last couple of weeks.

    “The system involves patrons having their IDs scanned on entry, a digital photo taken and a finger pin the digital number generated from a fingerprint scan captured. The actual fingerprint is not used or stored…

    Future entry to the club for those ”enrolled” through the process was then as simple as scanning a finger. It also ensured patrons banned from the club could not regain entry.”

So…

Would this deter you? Or make you feel safer?

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Not with those finger-prints mate – Sultans IDs its customers
Thumper 7:06 pm 21 Sep 08

George Orwell anyone?

I-filed 6:32 pm 21 Sep 08

Bit like disabled parking spots – the persons in blue can camp out near one and statistics showed that a massive proportion of people abusing disabled parking had warrants out for their arrest, or were driving stolen cars etc.

What’s the likelihood that Sultans technique could lead the police to, er, Cash Converters patrons etc?

shiny flu 6:05 pm 21 Sep 08

Sultan’s ‘still’ exists? wow.

Matt in the Hat 5:58 pm 21 Sep 08

I see the bleeding heart “Human Rights” lunatics have sprung to the defence of those poor patrons already. Shame on you! – O’Gorman
cries –

“But Australian Council for Civil Liberties president Terry O’Gorman said such measures were a ”serious breach of privacy and should be stopped”.

”It is not needed, it is heavy handed, it is arrogant, it is unjustified … and the ACT Government should step in and stop it,” he said.

”What would stop people working in a particular club staff, management, security providers who might think a particular patron was good looking thinking ‘we have her address we will go round and look her up’,” Mr O’Gorman said. ”It poses some very real personal safety concerns particularly for patrons.”

What a crock!!

Yes I agree this is probably not going to solve all the problems of the industry but at least it is a step in the right direction regardless what you think of Sultans.

What is really needed however is for liquor licencing to be put firmly back into the hands of the Police and to be taken away from the “toothless tiger” (liquor licencing commission) that only very occasionally ventures out to slap a few measly fines on club operators or to slap a few wrists. Give the Police the liquor powers and properly regulate the “security” industry will make a huge difference and a lot of people feel a whole lot safer. Of course having a court system that will hand out some deterent sentences might help just a ……..LITTLE BIT!!!!!

Davo111 4:44 pm 21 Sep 08

These devices are used for clubs in Sydney with very high patron numbers. Sultans population of 10 people does not fit the criteria.

Felix the Cat 4:03 pm 21 Sep 08

I don’t really see what fingerprinting patrons is going to do. It’s not like Sultans can match them up to Police database.If a patron did cause a disturbance Sultans would still need security to kick them out, wouldn’t matter how many fingerprints they have. “Leave now mate, we have your fingerprints and aren’t afraid to use them”. The Police aren’t going to get involved unless it’s pretty serious (probably only murder or weapon attack) so what’s the point? So they get banned from the club, plenty of other clubs around.

Wide Boy Jake 3:55 pm 21 Sep 08

Boy, what a publicity coup this is. I had never heard of Sultans before, now everybody knows about them.

peter@home 3:23 pm 21 Sep 08

great to see technology being used in the most far-fetched way. what is next? microchip with the tab on it under your skin? (it is already in other countries) depends on the technology used for the fingerprint scan. if it is IRDA, it can be beaten, easily. if it is tru-print, it is pretty well bulletproof.

Davo111 2:11 pm 21 Sep 08

Wait, people go into Sultans? – all the stories i’ve heard about people sacrificing $10 cover to get in there have all resorted in <20 people being in the establishment.

Back to the point – This is a really stupid idea, I mean the bouncer should be able to recognise the face he’s punched in a week ago. There are much better things they could have spent this money on – from extra security, to doing the place up, to subsidising drinks or something. I will never go to that place, ever.

GB 2:09 pm 21 Sep 08

cranky said :

And when our local Gov seems to have shovelled all responsibility for out of control drunken thugs onto Club managements, this seems a good ar@e covering move.

Well the real responsibility is with the drunken thugs themselves.

But as club managements create the conditions for thugs to become drunken (and make their money by doing so), then I think they do have a civic responsibility to try to avoid fuelling up the worst of them. Though I doubt this is what their main aim is here: more like trying to make a reasonably honest buck by attracting people who want to drink a lot, but keeping out those where drinking a lot = trouble for other customers and smashed facilities = less $ for the business.

cranky 12:47 pm 21 Sep 08

And when our local Gov seems to have shovelled all responsibility for out of control drunken thugs onto Club managements, this seems a good ar@e covering move.

kevn 12:46 pm 21 Sep 08

Just another reason not to go to this place.

johnboy 12:19 pm 21 Sep 08

Deano said :

One of the fallacies of security is that by being able to identify someone, you are able to identify their intent. Just because I know who you are doesn’t mean that I know what you are going to do.

Sure it might keep out the serial thugs but it just relocates them to another place so it becomes someone else’s problem, it doesn’t stop their behaviour.

To be fair, from the point of view of a venue operator moving the trouble elsewhere is a total win.

el 12:05 pm 21 Sep 08

You couldn’t pay me to go to that sh!thole.

Deano 12:02 pm 21 Sep 08

One of the fallacies of security is that by being able to identify someone, you are able to identify their intent. Just because I know who you are doesn’t mean that I know what you are going to do.

Sure it might keep out the serial thugs but it just relocates them to another place so it becomes someone else’s problem, it doesn’t stop their behaviour.

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