Parking fine madness? Think of the children!

Meconium 12 August 2012 72

My friend received a parking infringement notice the other day, and while this site is full of threads from people who are in the wrong and are looking for a way to weasel out of the fine, I think my friend’s in a legitimate position to dispute it because it’s unfair.

He lives in a share house in Reid with three housemates and three cars (as well as regular visits from girlfriends etc). His fine was $80 and was to reprimand him for the crime of parking on his own nature strip. The driveway isn’t big enough to accommodate three cars, so parking the cars on the nature strip is the only option (because the street in front of the house is a no parking at any time zone).

He called the parking fine office, and they explained that it was a litigation matter – if someone were to injure themselves due to his car being there, the territory would be at fault. I should emphasise that the car wasn’t blocking the footpath, it was just sitting on the only available space to park a car on his block.

Can any Rioters experienced in these matters offer any advice? Is my friend in any position to dispute the fine?

With the election looming, these infringements on our personal liberties will cause me to carefully consider who I will be voting for on the day (especially if the issue of plastic bags also comes up)!

Thanks in advance for any comments, informative, judgemental, sarcastic or otherwise.


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Cimexus Cimexus 12:40 pm 28 Dec 12

CanberraMan said :

People who park on the grass should be shot. Do we really want to live in a dusty dirty squalered city resembling a third world country, or is this the capital of one of the most prosperous nations in recent history?

While I understand this comment is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it does raise a point.

There are quite a few properties around here (Lyneham/Turner area) where people habitually park on the nature strip. I suspect it’s mostly like the OP’s situation: share houses with far more cars than driveway space. Unsurprisingly, these nature strips are complete dust-bowls. Just hard packed dirt with not a hint of grass in sight. Awful and muddy whenever it rains too.

Anyway, in the last year or two, new bus stops have been installed adjacent to or within some of these nature strips. As part of the work, the government also re-seeded all the nearby grass. Which the residents then continued to park on top of, rapidly killing it. Within a couple of months, it’s back to plain old dirt again. Some of them also obviously drove across the new bus stop path in the process of parking, meaning it’s all cracked despite being under a year old.

It does irritate me to see my tax dollars being wasted in a futile attempt to re-grass nature strips that are being illegally parked upon. Yet I don’t think they ever get booked for it.

kakosi kakosi 12:27 pm 28 Dec 12

This is ridiculous as I’ve seen many “nature strips” converted to driveways and paved parking areas for cars. Perhaps going around Canberra taking photos of such places and sending these in with your statement might help your case? What’s right for others should apply to all.

It’s the land in front of your own house, you are expected to maintain it and keep it tidy but you aren’t allowed to use it in any way. If the car and land in question was maintained properly where is the danger? There are lots of footpaths and very large “nature strips” in Reid unlike some suburbs where “landscaping” means people have to walk on the roads much of the time. Of course the real problem could be the suburbs you live in. Neighbours can be twats.

screaming banshee screaming banshee 9:20 am 28 Dec 12

I’m sure you’ll find that no one here is calling for any sort of punishment for misdemeanours

DrKoresh DrKoresh 1:10 am 28 Dec 12

CanberraMan said :

People who park on the grass should be shot. Do we really want to live in a dusty dirty squalered city resembling a third world country, or is this the capital of one of the most prosperous nations in recent history?

You d* *head. I’m sorry, but there’s no nice way to put it. People park on greenways all the damn time, and does Canberra look like Johannesburg? No it bloody does not. People who lobby for capital punishment as the penalty for a misdemeanour should be kicked repeatedly in the face until their brain either starts working properly or stops working all together.

basketofcat basketofcat 9:51 pm 27 Dec 12

carnardly said :

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-car-park-dilemma-20120814-245p9.html

“Mr Davidson said new developments around his neighbourhood in the north of Braddon and towards Merici College had a legacy of cars cluttering streets and nature strips.”

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-car-park-dilemma-20120814-245p9.html#ixzz23U0ErXGY

was looking at buying a unit interstate in a CBD with a far more advanced car reduction policy. The building was seventeen stories tall, had between three to six apartments per floor yet only had a single level, ground level carpark that contained spaces for twenty cars. those who bought off the plan were being given a three year lease in a nearby commercial carpark. after that, the owners or tenants would need to fend for themselves.

so don’t complain you’ve got it bad here in Canberra… you ain’t seen nothing yet.

poetix poetix 4:57 pm 27 Dec 12

shirty_bear said :

Yes, squalered would be bad. Probably :-\

Windy dirty cubist squirrels…

shirty_bear shirty_bear 4:31 pm 27 Dec 12

Yes, squalered would be bad. Probably :-\

Deref Deref 4:03 pm 27 Dec 12

My neighbour’s parked his truck on the nature strip for as long as I’ve lived here. It makes backing out of my driveway bloody dangerous, but AFAIK he’s never been fined.

CanberraMan CanberraMan 2:41 pm 27 Dec 12

People who park on the grass should be shot. Do we really want to live in a dusty dirty squalered city resembling a third world country, or is this the capital of one of the most prosperous nations in recent history?

p1 p1 12:22 pm 21 Sep 12

Aladdin1963 said :

I have recently received a notification from the Justice and Community Safety Branch regarding the parking of vehicles on the nature strip in Ngunnawal being unsafe.

I would like to ask where does one park when the ACT planning has allowed suburbs to be built that are so densely populated and the streets so narrow? If I were to park on the street the vehicle would pose more of a danger than where I currently park.

Tis a difficult issue sometimes. Perhaps there is a member of the ACT Gov’t living near you – you could park on the street out the front of their place each day?

rhino rhino 12:15 pm 21 Sep 12

Aladdin1963 said :

I have recently received a notification from the Justice and Community Safety Branch regarding the parking of vehicles on the nature strip in Ngunnawal being unsafe.

I would like to ask where does one park when the ACT planning has allowed suburbs to be built that are so densely populated and the streets so narrow? If I were to park on the street the vehicle would pose more of a danger than where I currently park.

When we moved in we had no kids and only one car.

Now the kids have grown and all have their own cars.

Not too many places around that can accommodate six cars.The law needs to be changed so that serial wingers have to find something else to complain about.

Yeah I think the rules are a bit rigid. It’s really a case by case basis thing. At times, being on the road causing an obstacle is unsafe but you can fit your car on the nature strip just fine and it’s better despite being less legal.

Aladdin1963 Aladdin1963 11:32 am 21 Sep 12

I have recently received a notification from the Justice and Community Safety Branch regarding the parking of vehicles on the nature strip in Ngunnawal being unsafe. I would like to ask where does one park when the ACT planning has allowed suburbs to be built that are so densely populated and the streets so narrow? If I were to park on the street the vehicle would pose more of a danger than where I currently park. When we moved in we had no kids and only one car. Now the kids have grown and all have their own cars. Not too many places around that can accommodate six cars.The law needs to be changed so that serial wingers have to find something else to complain about.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 4:24 pm 14 Aug 12

rhino said :

puggy said :

rhino said :

And do you disagree with my point? Or do you just think that in this specific circumstance there are ppl BEING significantly harmed by the OP’s example?

I didn’t do it in the most clever way, just my point is that just because you don’t think parking on nature strips doesn’t harm anyone, doesn’t make it true. I’m frustrated by those parking on verges in my area. The cars are parked with backs ends hanging out onto the road, less than ten metres from an intersection. That’s dangerous for traffic, particularly at night. There are also others who decide to park six wide, straying onto the neighbour’s well kept bit.

Clearly we are picturing a different scenario in our minds, but my philosophy on it holds true. If your car is in the way of everyone and a danger, then it is causing someone harm and it counts as a crime by my moral compass. I believe there are cases though where legally you are allowed to park alongside the road where you are in everyone’s way and people can’t drive in both directions without someone giving way, yet parking up a bit further off the road onto the grass is illegal, despite being clearly more considerate. If you are nowhere near a corner and your car doesn’t block anything other than the view of your grass and you have no choice but to park there because you are having guests over at your house and the only alternative would be parking in the middle or the road, or in someone elses driveway, blocking them completely, then parking up on the grass is fine by my books. Also, if it’s your 21st birthday or something, other guests are allowed to park up a bit on the nature strip of other nearby houses if it isn’t blocking them getting out or anything. This one is a little invonvenient/rude but as a rare thing, it is excusable.

exactly.

most of my neighbours have landscaped nature strips, meaning that its impossible to park on them, so their visitors park on the road. ocasionly, like on footy grand finals or w/e there is a car parked on either side of the street, making it hard for cars to fit through, and impossible for my work ute to fit through, meaning on two ocasions a car has been scratched by my ute.
it also makes it even harder to see kids behind a car on the road than kids behind a car on nature strip.

rhino rhino 2:31 pm 14 Aug 12

puggy said :

rhino said :

And do you disagree with my point? Or do you just think that in this specific circumstance there are ppl BEING significantly harmed by the OP’s example?

I didn’t do it in the most clever way, just my point is that just because you don’t think parking on nature strips doesn’t harm anyone, doesn’t make it true. I’m frustrated by those parking on verges in my area. The cars are parked with backs ends hanging out onto the road, less than ten metres from an intersection. That’s dangerous for traffic, particularly at night. There are also others who decide to park six wide, straying onto the neighbour’s well kept bit.

Clearly we are picturing a different scenario in our minds, but my philosophy on it holds true. If your car is in the way of everyone and a danger, then it is causing someone harm and it counts as a crime by my moral compass. I believe there are cases though where legally you are allowed to park alongside the road where you are in everyone’s way and people can’t drive in both directions without someone giving way, yet parking up a bit further off the road onto the grass is illegal, despite being clearly more considerate. If you are nowhere near a corner and your car doesn’t block anything other than the view of your grass and you have no choice but to park there because you are having guests over at your house and the only alternative would be parking in the middle or the road, or in someone elses driveway, blocking them completely, then parking up on the grass is fine by my books. Also, if it’s your 21st birthday or something, other guests are allowed to park up a bit on the nature strip of other nearby houses if it isn’t blocking them getting out or anything. This one is a little invonvenient/rude but as a rare thing, it is excusable.

Bluenomi Bluenomi 1:24 pm 14 Aug 12

I wish more people got fined for parking on the nature strip. Our neighbours and their kids park on the nature strip outside both our houses meaning I can’t see out my drivway some days.

carnardly carnardly 12:17 pm 14 Aug 12

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-car-park-dilemma-20120814-245p9.html

“Mr Davidson said new developments around his neighbourhood in the north of Braddon and towards Merici College had a legacy of cars cluttering streets and nature strips.”

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-car-park-dilemma-20120814-245p9.html#ixzz23U0ErXGY

DavidL DavidL 10:29 pm 13 Aug 12

You guys think you have problems? Whinge, whinge, whinge. In the 1970s the Uni of Melbourne had a two tier parking permit system (based on position level). Being in the lower tier I got an off campus parking spot after 7 years and an on campus spot after 9 years.

Now to go off topic slightly. Today I got a speeding ticket (camera) and of course it wasn’t my fault – really, really truly! It was for speeding in Sydney. After about an hour sorting out their website with a flawed software site I finally submitted my claim for justice – wrong car, wrong person. They so automate things that they can’t be bothered to check their pictures and innocent people have to prove their innocence (by submitting their own pictures to them). Wrong car, wrong person, white car versus black car, wrong number (just slightly). Yet I am the person who has to waste my time. Does anyone know how I can sue them? After all even if waived, waived for Ch.. sake, it probably stays against my name. Err, not that it would not have been justified on other occasions.

Viridian Viridian 9:25 pm 13 Aug 12

schmeah said :

How is this any different to others trying to weasel out of paying parking infringement fines? Everyone knows your not meant to park on the nature strip; sure people do it because it’s often not enforced but when it is have the balls to acknowledge that you did the wrong thing and in the future park elsewhere.

And do you really think this is an infringement on your personal liberties?! Do you think being required to wear a seatbelt, stop at red lights and pay taxes is an similar infringement? As others have said this policy has been around a long time. Given you don’t know this and are trying to shirk responsibility for a minor traffic fine I’d say you’re probably too far gone to vote responsibly anyway.

To be correct it’s not a policy, you cannot be fined for a policy. It is law. Just to clarify.

puggy puggy 9:15 pm 13 Aug 12

rhino said :

And do you disagree with my point? Or do you just think that in this specific circumstance there are ppl BEING significantly harmed by the OP’s example?

I didn’t do it in the most clever way, just my point is that just because you don’t think parking on nature strips doesn’t harm anyone, doesn’t make it true. I’m frustrated by those parking on verges in my area. The cars are parked with backs ends hanging out onto the road, less than ten metres from an intersection. That’s dangerous for traffic, particularly at night. There are also others who decide to park six wide, straying onto the neighbour’s well kept bit.

Jethro Jethro 8:41 pm 13 Aug 12

Genie said :

Hmmmmm maybe I should start complaining to the rangers about my neighbour.

I live in a battle-axe property on a busy street, because it’s a the bottom of a hill – car fly down the street well above the speed limit, my front neighbour ALWAYS parks on the median strip. This blocks our view and also stops us from using the medium strip as a “turning bay” to exit our driveway front wards.

I’ve never understood this with our neighbour… they have a driveway long enough for 3-4 cars yet ALWAYS park on the median strip. They live by themself, no other cars..

Or you could talk to him.

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