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Parking in ACT without consequence.

By Ceej1973 21 November 2011 35

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We all know how parking at the Canberra Hospital Environ has been a challenge of late, in particular around the Pathology and Maternity end of the precinct, and with the added pressures from construction worker vehicles taking up valuable short term car parks, the last patients need are selfish people taking up spaces as pictured.

This photo was taken outside of Maternity, and, as you can see, the owner of the vehicle has taken it upon themselves to park in a restricted parking spot for 2 weeks now, without moving it once. Heres how the story goes.

Concerned staff of Maternity and Pathology have contacted Canberra Hospital Parking Operations Managment in an attempt to have either the owner move the vehicle or have the vehicle forcibly removed. Parking Operations have tried both these measures, including approaching the owner, but in vain.

According to Parking Operations, the owner is a patient at the Hospital. The owner when approached, has refused to either move the vehicle to long term parking space, or have a relative/friend move it for them. According to the owner, they have no-one who can move the vehicle, however, staff have witnessed on 2 occasions this week, relatives access the vehicle to a. remove a baby seat and b. place an explanation note on the dash board. The explanation note, states that the owner will move the car today (3 days ago of the 2nd week) and appologises for any inconvinience caused.

Parking Operations say that as the vehicle already has an infringment noticed issued, another one cannot be issued. How I wish a gust of wind would blow away the one already on the windscreen. Parking Operations had already contacted ACT Police, and as the vehicle is on Government land, the car cannot be removed, even if it was deemed to be abandoned. Further, when the owner was approached they said they needed the vehicle to get home after having an operation. I always thought it is very dangerous to drive after an operation, especially one that keeps one in Hospital for 2 weeks.

Unfortunately, attitudes such as those shown by the owner of this vehicle, place more pressure on the little spaces available to staff, courier, visitors and patients alike, and due to weak parking regulations, vehicles such as these can park as long as they like without any consequence.  Personally, I would love to remove every infringement each day, so that a new one can be issued the next, however I would be implicated. Practically, I would rather see the Regulation changed, so that such menaces can be booked more than once or towed.

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dixyland 7:29 am 22 Nov 11

Maybe the driver saw the “P” on the wall and thought the car park was reserved was for P platers

bd84 11:34 pm 21 Nov 11

Multiple parking tickets can be written for the same car, it just depends where it is parked. If it was in a 15 minute zone, 1 ticket could be applied every 15 minutes until it was removed. If it’s just in a permit zone of some sort like in this case, they could write one ticket per day, every day.

Anyway, a few slashed tyres and an abandoned car call will learn them.

WilliamZ 10:14 pm 21 Nov 11

djk said :

BethiePrice said :

maniac said :

Pity they can’t tow and impound the car.

This would never happen in another state – the cars would be removed and the vehicle owner fined heavily.

Not quite true. We had a car park right on our driveway for a month straight without it ever being moved. I contacted the police and they wouldn’t remove it because it was registered. I did consider accidently swinging a baseball bat in the general direction of the windscreen but luckily for me it disappeared to make life difficult for someone else. Given it wasn’t a restricted parking space in a hospital but if someone is going to be inconsiderate it doesn’t seem to matter what state you are in, cops won’t do anything about it…. no matter how nicely you ask…

“Sorry Boss, not coming in today, someone has parked my car in on my own driveway and the cops won’t move it!”

Doesnt seem right that police/rangers/whoever cant move a car that is illegally parked for two weeks.

We get the government we deserve OR alternatively, one that is representative of the voting public…

fragge 4:17 pm 21 Nov 11

Hahahahaha, so wait, you start off by alluding that the owner of the car is “a selfish person” that may or may not be a “construction worker”. Then you go on to say that you tried to strong-arm the person by taking it to a third party (and failed), and THEN you explain to us all that you’d just LOVE to keep piling parking tickets on this guy’s car, even though that is illegal (not to mention slack as hell). So to sum up – a patient that is currently residing at the hospital has, according to you, parked their car inappropriately (I can’t tell if the permit zone is for government vehicles or for people with a disability permit) in a spot which 95% of other patients couldn’t park anyway. Furthermore, all “authorities” upon which you have relied have failed you. Finally, you say that his reason for parking there (the same reason you gave that he SHOULDN’T park there) is irresponsible because its unsafe to drive after surgery – are you batshit insane? Your entire post is just a whine session wrapped up in double standards. Maybe he’ll reverse into your car when he checks out and you can post about that too.

BethiePrice 4:01 pm 21 Nov 11

CapitalK said :

djk said :

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

A private vehicle cant be moved unless it’s causing danger to the general public or blocking general public access.

Does where ever this comes from define “danger to the public”? Because making a heavily pregnant woman make the hike from the carpark at CH rather than being able to park right outside seems to endanger her and her unborn child somewhat.

What if there are say 3 spaces for heavily pregnant women and all 3 are being used by heavily pregnant women who are giving birth and a forth one comes along and is heavily pregnant and is giving birth.

Anyway – even though I can’t read the signs I’m pretty sure they are for doctors or similar ie not for public.

Not intending to be funny but isn’t there a drop zone. I know you can park infront of Mat ward whilst being escorted in by the other half, but they then have to move to longstay carpark.

CapitalK 3:59 pm 21 Nov 11

djk said :

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

A private vehicle cant be moved unless it’s causing danger to the general public or blocking general public access.

Does where ever this comes from define “danger to the public”? Because making a heavily pregnant woman make the hike from the carpark at CH rather than being able to park right outside seems to endanger her and her unborn child somewhat.

What if there are say 3 spaces for heavily pregnant women and all 3 are being used by heavily pregnant women who are giving birth and a forth one comes along and is heavily pregnant and is giving birth.

Anyway – even though I can’t read the signs I’m pretty sure they are for doctors or similar ie not for public.

djk 3:30 pm 21 Nov 11

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

A private vehicle cant be moved unless it’s causing danger to the general public or blocking general public access.

Does where ever this comes from define “danger to the public”? Because making a heavily pregnant woman make the hike from the carpark at CH rather than being able to park right outside seems to endanger her and her unborn child somewhat.

stormboy 3:11 pm 21 Nov 11

Where is Sgt Bungers when you need him.

The pink sign does not conform with standards so is invalid.The ‘Permit Zone’ sign appears to be poorly positioned and does not have a directional arrows or another sign with the opposite directional arrow to “gate” the space. It could be argued that it does not apply to that parking space.

devils_advocate 3:04 pm 21 Nov 11

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

A private vehicle cant be moved unless it’s causing danger to the general public or blocking general public access.

It’s one thing to say that the cops can’t do a b or c or a driver can’t be fined under x y or z legislation. It’s another thing to make a more general statement that a car can’t be moved unless its causing danger.

People still have property rights at common law. They have the right to take *reasonable* action to deal with trespass, intentional infliction of economic harm, unlawful restraint (it’s not as simple as saying “but he is free to go anywhere other than where I have impeded access”) and also a general duty to mitigate damages. If someone (for example) parks you in in your driveway, you are more than entitled to take steps youself to address the issue provided they are reasonable.

Finally, a good high-lift trolley jack costs a few hundred dollars and if I were living in a body corporate situation (again) , I would (did) find it cheap insurance against inconsiderate f–ks parking without regard for my fair use of the private and common property.
Coming out and finding their car sitting in the middle of the driveway or road seems to focus people’s minds on the issues far more than some passive-aggressive note on their windsheild.

Rawhide Kid Part3 2:11 pm 21 Nov 11

djk said :

BethiePrice said :

maniac said :

Pity they can’t tow and impound the car.

This would never happen in another state – the cars would be removed and the vehicle owner fined heavily.

Not quite true. We had a car park right on our driveway for a month straight without it ever being moved. I contacted the police and they wouldn’t remove it because it was registered. I did consider accidently swinging a baseball bat in the general direction of the windscreen but luckily for me it disappeared to make life difficult for someone else. Given it wasn’t a restricted parking space in a hospital but if someone is going to be inconsiderate it doesn’t seem to matter what state you are in, cops won’t do anything about it…. no matter how nicely you ask…

“Sorry Boss, not coming in today, someone has parked my car in on my own driveway and the cops won’t move it!”

Doesnt seem right that police/rangers/whoever cant move a car that is illegally parked for two weeks.

A private vehicle cant be moved unless it’s causing danger to the general public or blocking general public access.

devils_advocate 2:07 pm 21 Nov 11

They need a new approach – “You have thirty minutes to move your car.” “You have ten minutes to move your car.” “Your car has been impounded.” “Your car has been crushed into a cube.” “You have thirty minutes to move your cube.”

djk 1:59 pm 21 Nov 11

BethiePrice said :

maniac said :

Pity they can’t tow and impound the car.

This would never happen in another state – the cars would be removed and the vehicle owner fined heavily.

Not quite true. We had a car park right on our driveway for a month straight without it ever being moved. I contacted the police and they wouldn’t remove it because it was registered. I did consider accidently swinging a baseball bat in the general direction of the windscreen but luckily for me it disappeared to make life difficult for someone else. Given it wasn’t a restricted parking space in a hospital but if someone is going to be inconsiderate it doesn’t seem to matter what state you are in, cops won’t do anything about it…. no matter how nicely you ask…

“Sorry Boss, not coming in today, someone has parked my car in on my own driveway and the cops won’t move it!”

Doesnt seem right that police/rangers/whoever cant move a car that is illegally parked for two weeks.

CapitalK 1:58 pm 21 Nov 11

Jurls said :

CapitalK said :

Can someone tell me what the signs say? I can’t read them on my computer even if I blow them up. – I can see that the middle one says PERMIT ZONE – but not what the rest says.

Anyway they should move the car. Also on the needing to park there if you are having a baby – if the baby is coming out of you, you’re probably not driving so could you not get dropped off – or am I over simplifying this? Surely if it’s an emergency situation you’ve called the ambos anyway?

lol, I expect the idea is that the husband/partner doesn’t just drop his wife/partner and drive off, but he would escort her up to maternity. Then he would return to move the car to a proper parking spot and head back up to maternity. I doubt whether most people would just drop off a woman in labour and leave her to make her own way up to the maternity ward. Not if they value certain parts of their anatomy 😀 😀 😀

Fair enough 🙂

Jurls 1:45 pm 21 Nov 11

CapitalK said :

Can someone tell me what the signs say? I can’t read them on my computer even if I blow them up. – I can see that the middle one says PERMIT ZONE – but not what the rest says.

Anyway they should move the car. Also on the needing to park there if you are having a baby – if the baby is coming out of you, you’re probably not driving so could you not get dropped off – or am I over simplifying this? Surely if it’s an emergency situation you’ve called the ambos anyway?

lol, I expect the idea is that the husband/partner doesn’t just drop his wife/partner and drive off, but he would escort her up to maternity. Then he would return to move the car to a proper parking spot and head back up to maternity. I doubt whether most people would just drop off a woman in labour and leave her to make her own way up to the maternity ward. Not if they value certain parts of their anatomy 😀 😀 😀

CapitalK 1:32 pm 21 Nov 11

Can someone tell me what the signs say? I can’t read them on my computer even if I blow them up. – I can see that the middle one says PERMIT ZONE – but not what the rest says.

Anyway they should move the car. Also on the needing to park there if you are having a baby – if the baby is coming out of you, you’re probably not driving so could you not get dropped off – or am I over simplifying this? Surely if it’s an emergency situation you’ve called the ambos anyway?

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