PM pencils in September 14 for the election

johnboy 30 January 2013 73

Prime Minister Gillard has just taken the very unusual step of announcing the date of this year’s federal election.

It’s to be September 14 which will give our public servants something to be going on with.


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LSWCHP LSWCHP 10:41 pm 02 Feb 13

Pork Hunt said :

A seven and a half month election campaign? I will surely drown in my own vomit by then…

I reckon you (and a lot of other people) will have drowned in my vomit before your vomit is even ankle deep. Not an attractive image I know, but there it is.

Diggety Diggety 12:13 pm 01 Feb 13

Thumper said :

Diggety said :

dungfungus said :

I don’t think there will ever be another minority government in Australia after this experiment.

I think you’re right about that. I’m guessing some fence-sitters will vote Coalition just to avoid another Labor/Greens kerfuffle.

And interestingly, if Abbott had got up in a minority government instead of Gillard, he would have faced pretty much the same pressures.

In fact, if Abbott did get up last election maybe the current positions would be reversed?

Interesting scenario, although it would likely have been Coalition/Independents, so hard to say.

But a lot of votes from Labor went to Libs while Greens stagnated, so perhaps Labor split into Left/Right, with Labor Right going to the Libs?

dungfungus dungfungus 12:04 pm 01 Feb 13

Thumper said :

Diggety said :

dungfungus said :

I don’t think there will ever be another minority government in Australia after this experiment.

I think you’re right about that. I’m guessing some fence-sitters will vote Coalition just to avoid another Labor/Greens kerfuffle.

And interestingly, if Abbott had got up in a minority government instead of Gillard, he would have faced pretty much the same pressures.

In fact, if Abbott did get up last election maybe the current positions would be reversed?

Maybe, but we wouldn’t have a carbon tax and Hobart would have a big new hospital.

Thumper Thumper 11:43 am 01 Feb 13

Diggety said :

dungfungus said :

I don’t think there will ever be another minority government in Australia after this experiment.

I think you’re right about that. I’m guessing some fence-sitters will vote Coalition just to avoid another Labor/Greens kerfuffle.

And interestingly, if Abbott had got up in a minority government instead of Gillard, he would have faced pretty much the same pressures.

In fact, if Abbott did get up last election maybe the current positions would be reversed?

Diggety Diggety 11:14 am 01 Feb 13

dungfungus said :

I don’t think there will ever be another minority government in Australia after this experiment.

I think you’re right about that. I’m guessing some fence-sitters will vote Coalition just to avoid another Labor/Greens kerfuffle.

davo101 davo101 11:08 am 01 Feb 13

Captain RAAF said :

This will get Tony some initial wins but other than that the pubes won’t even notice the 20,000 going.

Don’t know about that. If they’re all EL1’s then there is going to be a lot of coke dealers with stock they can’t shift.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 10:23 am 01 Feb 13

Captain RAAF said :

Mav said :

Oh Yay! Daily media polls about who is beating who, I cannot wait for October. The way our media has been going we may as well turn off the TV till after the election is over, I can see it now daily offerings of the two major parties calling each other names interspersed with splutterings from the Greens and KAP.

What a year this will be. 🙁

One poll, conducted by me this morning, 11 ADF members (9 male, 1 female, 1 questionable),

11 votes Coalition
0 votes Labor

There’s a snapshot of society for ya!

And here’s silly old me thinking that the military was full of reactionary conservatives who despised the general population.

Obviously I stand corrected.

steveu steveu 10:19 am 01 Feb 13

Called it this soon so its harder for libs to change leaders. Doesn’t look good for libs to change leaders when the campaign has started.

Chop71 Chop71 10:16 am 01 Feb 13

dungfungus said :

Chop71 said :

dungfungus said :

Chop71 said :

We may well be at the polls before Sep 14

Please explain how this might happen.
Assuming Thomson and Slipper both plead “not guilty”, it will be at least sometime after the election before respective trials can be arranged so Gillard still has the numbers and the support of the independents.
A sitting member is not compelled to resign until he/she is found guilty and the sentence has to exceed a certain level. Even if Gillard was to be arrested the same situation would apply.
Self preservation in politics is a pretty powerful emotion.

I’m not saying anyone is guilty of anything but just as you mentioned several reasons for Sept 14 there are just as many possibilities that things could fall apart and it happen sooner. Anything from a dd to resignations to change of leader etc etc. Gillard has only announced her date for an election, but it is also up to plenty of others to make that call and not just her. ie GG (just for starters)

If Thomson or Slipper were to resign before their respective court hearings (to preserve their pensions for example), it would be up to the Speaker of The House to rule whether there should be by-elections for their vacated seats and given that the Speaker is a Labor MP and the September 14, 2013 election has already been called (the fact that it was not called in the House might invalidate that) there is no chance of any by-elections.
This would mean that Labor would lose two votes but the opposition would not gain any so the minority Labor/Green/Independent government would still cling to power.
As you point out, there are other possibilities. I don’t think there will ever be another minority government in Australia after this experiment. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

If the voters make it close, Labor (once again) would grab anyone they could to do it again. If you ask Julia I suggest she would say the last 3 years have been a wonderful time.

dungfungus dungfungus 10:01 am 01 Feb 13

Chop71 said :

dungfungus said :

Chop71 said :

We may well be at the polls before Sep 14

Please explain how this might happen.
Assuming Thomson and Slipper both plead “not guilty”, it will be at least sometime after the election before respective trials can be arranged so Gillard still has the numbers and the support of the independents.
A sitting member is not compelled to resign until he/she is found guilty and the sentence has to exceed a certain level. Even if Gillard was to be arrested the same situation would apply.
Self preservation in politics is a pretty powerful emotion.

I’m not saying anyone is guilty of anything but just as you mentioned several reasons for Sept 14 there are just as many possibilities that things could fall apart and it happen sooner. Anything from a dd to resignations to change of leader etc etc. Gillard has only announced her date for an election, but it is also up to plenty of others to make that call and not just her. ie GG (just for starters)

If Thomson or Slipper were to resign before their respective court hearings (to preserve their pensions for example), it would be up to the Speaker of The House to rule whether there should be by-elections for their vacated seats and given that the Speaker is a Labor MP and the September 14, 2013 election has already been called (the fact that it was not called in the House might invalidate that) there is no chance of any by-elections.
This would mean that Labor would lose two votes but the opposition would not gain any so the minority Labor/Green/Independent government would still cling to power.
As you point out, there are other possibilities. I don’t think there will ever be another minority government in Australia after this experiment. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

Captain RAAF Captain RAAF 9:56 am 01 Feb 13

Mav said :

Oh Yay! Daily media polls about who is beating who, I cannot wait for October. The way our media has been going we may as well turn off the TV till after the election is over, I can see it now daily offerings of the two major parties calling each other names interspersed with splutterings from the Greens and KAP.

What a year this will be. 🙁

One poll, conducted by me this morning, 11 ADF members (9 male, 1 female, 1 questionable),

11 votes Coalition
0 votes Labor

There’s a snapshot of society for ya!

Captain RAAF Captain RAAF 9:52 am 01 Feb 13

cranky said :

The combination of the Rabbits promise to sack 20,000 Pub Servs, and the acknowledged downturn in business during political campaigns, does not auger well for the local business scene during the next 9 months.

We are not being well led.

He won’t be sacking 20,000 public service jobs, natural attrition will be how its done as well as some VR’s.
Some of the oxygen thieves that are currently pending the sack due to breaches of some sort or another will be first to go and there are a lot of them! This will get Tony some initial wins but other than that the pubes won’t even notice the 20,000 going.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 9:52 am 01 Feb 13

Duffbowl said :

Thumper said :

Just to make it all a tad more interesting.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/craig-thomson-arrested-by-fraud-squad-20130131-2dmnn.html

My mild paranoia makes me wonder if the PM was tipped, and made an election announcement a day early to *attempt* to derail the inevitable calls for an early election from the Coalition.

Wondered that myself. If they tip off the media, no biggie to imagine they’d tipp off the PM too…
But anyway, the gambit seems to be working – already drawing potential players out of the woodwork – like Zed. And I have to admit to some delight at seeing all the APH press gallery so gutted at having all their lazy “when will it be” and “will KRudd challenge” tripe nuked. Now they’ll have to work…

Chop71 Chop71 9:19 am 01 Feb 13

dungfungus said :

Chop71 said :

We may well be at the polls before Sep 14

Please explain how this might happen.
Assuming Thomson and Slipper both plead “not guilty”, it will be at least sometime after the election before respective trials can be arranged so Gillard still has the numbers and the support of the independents.
A sitting member is not compelled to resign until he/she is found guilty and the sentence has to exceed a certain level. Even if Gillard was to be arrested the same situation would apply.
Self preservation in politics is a pretty powerful emotion.

I’m not saying anyone is guilty of anything but just as you mentioned several reasons for Sept 14 there are just as many possibilities that things could fall apart and it happen sooner. Anything from a dd to resignations to change of leader etc etc. Gillard has only announced her date for an election, but it is also up to plenty of others to make that call and not just her. ie GG (just for starters)

milkman milkman 6:32 am 01 Feb 13

HiddenDragon said :

I did not expect the Thomson matter to escalate so quickly and so dramatically

That’s what she said!

HiddenDragon HiddenDragon 10:25 pm 31 Jan 13

I did not expect the Thomson matter to escalate so quickly and so dramatically, but I certainly had it in mind when I made my earlier comment – #37 – about waverers on the cross benches. I also think there is still a lot more mud to be thrown about the PM’s past, and, notwithstanding the decision of Justice Rares (and that the Coalition would seem to have some questions of its own to answer) the general “yuck factor” about Slipper/Ashby is not at all helpful to the Government.

So with all of that, and the potential for further scandals/stuff-ups in coming months, it certainly occurred to me that one or more cross-benchers might, just – and very belatedly – try to distance themselves from the Government by supporting, or seriously threatening to, a no confidence motion. The exceptionally early announcement of the intended (and it is no more than that) election date could thus be an attempt to pre-empt, or at least discourage, any such thoughts on the part of the cross benches.

dungfungus dungfungus 10:02 pm 31 Jan 13

Chop71 said :

We may well be at the polls before Sep 14

Please explain how this might happen.
Assuming Thomson and Slipper both plead “not guilty”, it will be at least sometime after the election before respective trials can be arranged so Gillard still has the numbers and the support of the independents.
A sitting member is not compelled to resign until he/she is found guilty and the sentence has to exceed a certain level. Even if Gillard was to be arrested the same situation would apply.
Self preservation in politics is a pretty powerful emotion.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 8:42 pm 31 Jan 13

“PM pencils in September 14 for the election”
Just caught this headline and was excited about receiving my commemorative PM pencil. The kids could use it for drawing faces on the ballot paper…

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 5:55 pm 31 Jan 13

Duffbowl said :

Thumper said :

Just to make it all a tad more interesting.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/craig-thomson-arrested-by-fraud-squad-20130131-2dmnn.html

My mild paranoia makes me wonder if the PM was tipped, and made an election announcement a day early to *attempt* to derail the inevitable calls for an early election from the Coalition.

I think so. When I saw on TV that Thomson was arrested this klaxon went off in my head and my ears are still ringing.

DrKoresh DrKoresh 4:31 pm 31 Jan 13

bikhet said :

The Fairfax press also has it online, but seems to only have his apology. There’s also the missing hair-drier and his general air that the world owes him a Rolls-Royce. Anyway, enough of KRudd – he’s now a feather-duster.

I didn’t do more than give a cursory glance to the first page of results on Google. But I agree, regardless of what you think of him, he is yesterday’s news. His snarky remarks from the back bench do give me a wry smile every now and then though.

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