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Police Wrap – 2 July

By johnboy - 3 July 2009 41

1. Joint RTA/Police bust:

    ACT Policing officers this morning (Friday, July 3) issued 80 Traffic infringement Notices (TINs), mostly for speeding offences, during an operation aimed at safe winter driving.

    From 6am today police operated laser speed detection on Barry Drive, Caswell Drive, Belconnen Way and the Gungahlin Drive extension in the Belconnen area, then later at Springvale Drive in Hawker, on Monaro Crescent in Red Hill and within the speed-restricted roadworks on Yamba Drive, in Phillip.

    Police were also joined by RTA vehicle inspectors.

    The highest speed detected this morning was 129 km/h in an 80 km/h zone on Caswell Drive. The driver who committed this offence was an unaccompanied learner. This offence attracted a fine of $1647, plus a further $90 for being an unaccompanied learner.

    On Belconnen Way, another driver was detected at 103 km/h in a 60 km/h zone.

    RTA inspectors issued 20 defect notices, mostly for inoperable/faulty lights and tyres with insufficient tread.

2. Thuggies collared:

    Two male youths will appear in the ACT Childrens Court this morning (Friday, July 3) on charges related to an aggravated robbery in Griffith on July 1.

    Police arrested the two youths after performing a traffic stop on a white Holden Commodore on Canberra Ave, Kingston around 10.27pm last night (July 2).

    Police will allege that the youths, both from Canberra’s southern suburbs, aided and abetted an aggravated robbery on three teenage males walking home from Manuka on Captain Cook Crescent around midnight on July 1.

    It will be alleged that the pair were among others who were in two vehicles which stopped on Captain Cook Crescent, where the three teenage victims were threatened, and had their wallets and mobile phones stolen.

    The two youths, one aged 16 and the other 17 years, were held in the Regional Watch House last night and will appear in court today.

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Police Wrap – 2 July
Clown Killer 11:14 am 04 Jul 09

Have you had to attend a speed related fatality and/or witness the aftermath ?? Have you had to tell attend someones house at 3am and tell them that they have lost a loved one to a speed related fatality?

I don’t think that over-egging the argument really helps. The fatality and it’s aftermath as well as the notification of next of kin all happen well before the coroner determines whether or not the fatality was ‘speed related’. The ACT Coroner publishes the findings on what the cause of all fatal road crashes but you won’t often get politicians of police spin doctors fat-mouthing off about those findings.

dvaey 10:01 am 04 Jul 09

Spideydog said :

Have you had to attend a speed related fatality and/or witness the aftermath ?? Have you had to tell attend someones house at 3am and tell them that they have lost a loved one to a speed related fatality?

Thought not.

It’s not the cause of all road fatalities, but it is a PREVENTABLE road fatality.

How does speed cause an accident? Speed is a contributing factor, as are a million other things, car design, weather, road conditions, driver ability, driver focus, other vehicles, etc etc. Your bottom line started off right ‘Its not the cause of all road fatalities’, infact its not the cause by itself, especially when compared to the fine for unaccompanied learner. The thought of a 40-year driving veteran driving at 130 down the parkway doesnt scare me quite as much as an unaccompanied inexperienced driver travelling at 80 or 90 down the same road.

Dont keep jacking up the fine ($1647 for 49km/hr over is ridiculous), implement ways to change drivers behaviour.

How can someone get over $1600 for speeding, while the offence of unaccompanied learner attracts under $100 fine?

I have seen some repeat offenders for the lower speed offences, I have not seen any that received $1647 come again. Granted that is only by personal experience. My question is how do we get the lower speed offenders to get the message?

The problem is that the fine isnt equally spread across the community. Sending a pensioner a camera fine for accidently going 70 in a 60 zone, causes more pain and hardship than sending the same fine to a 20 year old whos parents paid for the car and will pay for the fines too. In one case it doesnt change any behaviour in the other case it basically ruins someones life for a few months until they can pay the cost.

If punishments involved actual work or time (such as community service orders), drivers would be more aware of their actions I believe, and it would punish everyone equally.

As for disqualification for 30+, sounds like a good time to go sit in one of those quiet 40km/hr speed zones and rake in the cash/licences. Sit there for a week and you could probably get 80% of the licences off the road. That way we can have suspended drivers driving instead of unaccompanied.

Special G 8:29 am 04 Jul 09

NSW has recently changed the fine system adding an extra tier. They also have mandatory disqualification of licence for anything over 30+.

I think school zones should be permanent double demerits.

Spideydog 12:11 am 04 Jul 09

dvaey said :

I still believe a fairer deterent would be community service orders. Dont keep jacking up the fine ($1647 for 49km/hr over is ridiculous), implement ways to change drivers behaviour. Unfortunately this idea would never fly as its not about making drivers more aware or safer, but about revenue plain and simple.

How can someone get over $1600 for speeding, while the offence of unaccompanied learner attracts under $100 fine?

I have seen some repeat offenders for the lower speed offences, I have not seen any that received $1647 come again. Granted that is only by personal experience. My question is how do we get the lower speed offenders to get the message?

Spideydog 11:58 pm 03 Jul 09

shauno said :

Because speeding is evil don’t forget and the cause of all road tolls or so the govt propaganda machine has been telling us for years. While propping up the bottom line at the same time. What a cunning idea it was many years ago to come up with this fantastic revenue raising plan linking speed death and hysteria to revenue.

Have you had to attend a speed related fatality and/or witness the aftermath ?? Have you had to tell attend someones house at 3am and tell them that they have lost a loved one to a speed related fatality?

Thought not.

It’s not the cause of all road fatalities, but it is a PREVENTABLE road fatality.

A naive and insensitive thing to say, from someone that obviously has no idea what they are talking about.

caf 11:19 pm 03 Jul 09

The problem isn’t the speeding fine being too severe, it’s the unaccompanied learner fine being much too lenient.

shauno 9:59 pm 03 Jul 09

Because speeding is evil don’t forget and the cause of all road tolls or so the govt propaganda machine has been telling us for years. While propping up the bottom line at the same time. What a cunning idea it was many years ago to come up with this fantastic revenue raising plan linking speed death and hysteria to revenue.

dvaey 9:09 pm 03 Jul 09

I still believe a fairer deterent would be community service orders. Dont keep jacking up the fine ($1647 for 49km/hr over is ridiculous), implement ways to change drivers behaviour. Unfortunately this idea would never fly as its not about making drivers more aware or safer, but about revenue plain and simple.

How can someone get over $1600 for speeding, while the offence of unaccompanied learner attracts under $100 fine?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_ 9:08 pm 03 Jul 09

Good to see officers out and about, but we still aren’t realistically targetting genuinely dangerous behaviour. I still get cut off at least a couple of times per week by people who just haven’t looked, and see constant tailgating, lack of indicating and poor vehicle control.

A good step, plod, just keep it coming.

Deadmandrinking 8:55 pm 03 Jul 09

You are a scary, scary person Calwell resident.

Calwell Resident 8:30 pm 03 Jul 09

How dump are these MORONS. The cops have been telling the public since xmas that they are out there and until behaviour changes they will stay out there. I think its time for mandatory 1 week in the new beaut AMC for over the speed limit more than 20k and alleged over blood alchohol limit. I assume since ive never been to gaol much scarier and bigger deterrent than saying sorry to one of our soft judges.

bigred 8:15 pm 03 Jul 09

wonder if they got anyone for those ridiculous fog lights being on.

Primal 7:38 pm 03 Jul 09

$90 for an unaccompanied learner? I think I know a few parents who would rather cover the fine than ride shotgun with their kids!

Hells_Bells74 7:33 pm 03 Jul 09

I should think over $1700 in fines is quite enough to make a learner learn.

Mike Bessenger 6:12 pm 03 Jul 09

Slap on the wrist coming for the two youths.

And only a $90 fine for being a an unaccompanied learner. What a great system we have.

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