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Rapid buses doomed before start?

By Kramer - 29 September 2009 21

Yesterday, Jon “Eco-Warrior” Stanhope announced the new and improved REDEX (Rapid Express Direct) bus trial – starting one month after the initially planned start date.

Meanwhile, the ABC reports the delay of REDEX bus trial is due to the wait for new ACTION buses to arrive.

The ACT Government has cut the routes, and delayed the start of the trial before we have seen any action from ACTION. Is the REDEX service doomed before the start? Are the government’s actions negligence, sabotage, or just covering their arses for when it all goes down the toilet??

What’s Your opinion?


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Rapid buses doomed before start?
antycbr 8:24 pm 30 Sep 09

I think this is the equivalent concept of the Metrobus (route 10) in Sydney – which is basically a Sydney Buses route operated by some specially painted buses (and some normal ones at peak times) that links major activity centres. The Northbourne-Civic-Russell-Triangle-Kingston route is a pretty major group of activity centres not currently well serviced by a single route number other than at peak times. This allows people to go to a stop and know a bus with a consistent number will turn up within 15 minutes.

miz 8:08 pm 30 Sep 09

Why doesn’t the redex go to Lanyon centre (the south equivalent of the G)?

Ryan 6:32 pm 30 Sep 09

Mr Waffle said :

Really? Wow, it’s like being in the not-too-distant future! Too bad I don’t catch the bus, but still, nifty…

Gungahlin Al said :

I understand it will always use buses with bike racks for those interested.

These are the buses to be utilised on the REDEX Service: http://actbus.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=16958

You can see the information screen in the second row, third photo along.

Gungahlin Al 5:05 pm 30 Sep 09

bd84 said :

Another bus to nowhere, no improvement, no surprise. The route was decided by the same people who have designed the network that currently exists?

Sorry??
Gungahlin to Mitchell, the City, Russell, the Parliamentary Triangle, then Kingston. Direct. Straight down Flemington Rd, Northbourne, etc.

Most of us work in Mitchell, Civic, Russell, or the triangle. So how exactly is that a bus to nowhere on indirect routes?

That said, your other comments about about the need for network overhaul are valid, and in keeping with what I said earlier.

GregW 3:40 pm 30 Sep 09

bd84 said :

When will they learn that…

I’ve never been convinced by any poster that mentions this phrase that they actually know something that those in charge are not aware of. And I’ve seen this written thousands of times by many highly opinionated people. If you actually have considered suggestions for how to improve the the bus network without breaking the bank then Action would love to hear about it.

Gungahlin required more bus services so new buses would have been needed anyway. By branding these as “rapid” express services rather than just more Action routes more people will consider using them because they might be ‘different’. Even if this claim is not strictly true, it is almost free to make and might have some effect on patronage.

The live bus stop screen are a good idea and are presumably relatively cheap to buy (perhaps not to maintain?). I wonder if they would serve as more of a PR exercise in Canberra, because regular commuters know the routes and arrival times, and action busses are reasonably reliable, whereas Melbourne/Sydney are larger and have a higher share of dependent tourists.

bd84 3:10 pm 30 Sep 09

Another bus to nowhere, no improvement, no surprise. The route was decided by the same people who have designed the network that currently exists? Well that’s hardly a surprise given the uselessness of the new service, it will go well with the rest of the useless routes. When will they learn that the network requires a complete overhall and some radical new ideas rather than more buses that are indirect and go nowhere.

Gungahlin Al 2:16 pm 30 Sep 09

This service is welcome and bringing it in now (hopefully lasting beyond the trial) is in line with what GCC has been saying about Jarrett’s 2031 PT strategy – that it’s a great plan but precisely what we need right now – not in 22 years time!

And there will always be the basic problem that relying on buses puts your reliance on a mode that has to mix it up with the very traffic it is trying to reduce/avoid. A “tidal bus lane” down the centre of Northbourne would go a long way towards correcting that though…

ACTION reps will be at the next GCC meeting on Wednesday week to discuss the trial. (I understand it will always use buses with bike racks for those interested.) Also at that meeting and related to this issue, will be TAMS reps to discuss the new Cycling and Walking Strategy. Palmerston Community Centre, Tiptree Crs from 7.30pm.

‘Live updated’ bus stop signs like this one are commonplace elsewhere in places like Sydney and the Sunshine Coast. I agree – we should have them here. Anothr area where Canberra’s infrastructure is lagging badly.

sepi 10:09 am 30 Sep 09

I think all these frills are a waste of time and money, when they still can’t afford enough buses and drivers to run enough services.

niftydog 9:36 am 30 Sep 09

Fiona said :

I know where I am on a bus. I look out the window.

Which is all well and good, provided you’re in a location you are familiar with.

If the trams in Melbourne didn’t announce the next stop I’d still be going in circles around the CBD.

justbands 9:09 am 30 Sep 09

> What would be nicve would be an easy way to tell how the bus is running from your bus sop, rather than on the bus itself. I know where I am on a bus. I look out the window.

I’ve seen that o/s, they have electronic signs at the bus stops that show how many minutes away the next few buses are…it’s fantastic.

Fiona 8:43 am 30 Sep 09

What would be nicve would be an easy way to tell how the bus is running from your bus sop, rather than on the bus itself. I know where I am on a bus. I look out the window.

trevar 6:22 am 30 Sep 09

That’s interesting. This “DIRECT” service diverts and stops at four places along the way. Very clever indeed, to be at once direct and indirect! Also clever is the ability to be “RAPID” and still late!

Anyone got a spare dictionary for His Ecoliness?

Mr Waffle 12:17 am 30 Sep 09

Ryan said :

These vehicles have internal information screens which show the bus progressing along the routes and announce the next stop.

Really? Wow, it’s like being in the not-too-distant future! Too bad I don’t catch the bus, but still, nifty…

Ryan 9:58 pm 29 Sep 09

It has been delayed to allow for the delivery of more MAN 18.320 buses which will operate the REDEX route. These vehicles have internal information screens which show the bus progressing along the routes and announce the next stop. Only three or four of these have arrived at the moment and only the one has entered service so far.

Apparently the route was changed due to consultant advice, and to avoid duplication with the existing intertown route.

If nothing else, at least it gives Gungahlin residents an express into the city each fifteen minutes, something which would be awesome for many of us Tuggers folk that have to spend 50 minutes on a so-called ‘Expresso’ into town.

sepi 9:57 pm 29 Sep 09

I thought these RAPID busses were part of STanhope’s agreement with the GReens. As was taking Monash drive off the map (which I don’t think has happened yet.)

Have the GReens actually got any of their wishlist achieved?

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