Raw milk in Canberra?

EvanJames said :

Watson said :

Has anyone ever tried milk fresh from a cow? If not, you have not tasted real milk.

Grew up on it. If the cow had just had a calf, the milk was almost orange, and we often got it still foamy and warm from milking (which was done by hand). It was pretty good.

It was orange because of the colostrum.

You can purchase bovine colostrum in powder form.
http://www.bulknutrients.com.au/buy/bovine-colostrum-igg-40/BCIGG

I don’t know, I’m don’t want to get too carried away bashing folks who buy into this new food-wave crap or restricting their access to “bath-milk” because I believe people should be free to do things that are bad for them if they so choose. But movements like raw-food and people’s sudden “need” for raw milk strikes me as a pretentious fad, and the main problems with it as far as I’m concerned lie in people indoctrinating their children and feeding them potentially dangerous “health” food.

Smokers don’t force their kids light-up and if they did they would (quite rightly) face government intervention. The same can’t be said for things like raw milk, which I’m sure in at least a few cases is forced onto children by their granola-brained parents,

jh72 said :

p1 said :

jh72 said :

This is advertised as bathing milk however the farmers is quite explicit in saying that it is food grade.

By definition (in this country at least), it isn’t food grade because it isn’t pasteurised.

Yes by the Australian Food Standards group or whatever they call themselves it would not meet their definition of food grade. Clearly the farmer has meant a variant of that definition in which he merely means his cows are clean, disease free and his equipment along with the transport and storage of the milk is all of a high hygeine standard. He just happens to not pasteurise it, which means it does not mean one definition of food grade, not that it does not meet all definitions of food grade.

…and therefore it is not ‘food grade’, but rather ‘I reckon it’s pretty safe’ grade.

No surprise this is available at the Griffith shops – seems to be mecca for pseudoscience and gullible people.

p1 said :

jh72 said :

This is advertised as bathing milk however the farmers is quite explicit in saying that it is food grade.

By definition (in this country at least), it isn’t food grade because it isn’t pasteurised.

Yes by the Australian Food Standards group or whatever they call themselves it would not meet their definition of food grade. Clearly the farmer has meant a variant of that definition in which he merely means his cows are clean, disease free and his equipment along with the transport and storage of the milk is all of a high hygeine standard. He just happens to not pasteurise it, which means it does not mean one definition of food grade, not that it does not meet all definitions of food grade.

laraeddy said :

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(and sorry, I know the convention here is to make poster names yellow and italicise quotes – but whichever way I hold my tongue, I can’t seem to make it happen !)

You are obviously not using the correct grip. Didn’t the moderator send you the manual and the fork?

Oh, looks like you just got the hang of it.

Raw milk is perfectly fine………..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/8972117/Caution-urged-on-raw-milk

laraeddy said :

Spitfire3 said :

“Where can I buy some bovine tuberculosis suspension in Canberra?”

Can’t claim personal knowledge of the science about this – and have no particular ‘beef’ (sorry) about raw milk – but figure if the OP wants to give it a go …

However, factual error does get me a bit concerned. And if the Dept of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries reckon that Australia has been bovine tuberculosis free since 1997
(http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/2182866/tb-28feb12.pdf), then I’m good to go with that.

(and sorry, I know the convention here is to make poster names yellow and italicise quotes – but whichever way I hold my tongue, I can’t seem to make it happen !)

Click on the little stupid-looking green face at the bottom right hand side of any post you’d like to quote and it’ll automatically be formatted and added to the text-box.

Watson said :

Has anyone ever tried milk fresh from a cow? If not, you have not tasted real milk.

Now there is no way I would drink unpasteurised milk from a bottle. I’d only drink it just after milking, still warm. Ah, memories…

Can’t say that I have. When it comes to food safety I generally trust the regulators. Still warm? I’m not gonna go NEAR that one.

I reckon y’all drink too much milk and eat too much eggs and meat. Which isn’t to say that these products are as terrible as crazy vegan groups say they are, but seriously the Australian diet is over-reliant on animal products. I consume milk and eggs (not meat though), but in no great quantity.

There’s so much good non-animal-derived food out there that I think we need to move away from the “if it’s not meat, it’s not a meal” mentality many Australians have. There’s a world of choice out there.

I’d recommend Kingsland in Dickson. Sure, they’re vegan, but their food doesn’t suck.

johnboy said :

*Some* of the best cheese makers don’t use raw milk either and reckon its benefits are mythical.

That the oldest cheesemakers in the world aren’t very modern in their methods should be no surprise.

Many, most even, of the finest European cheeses are made with raw milk. Aussie cheese just don’t compare.

Did you know you can get milk from bulls? The small town named Bulls on the North Island of New Zealand has a supermarket which sells milk 🙂

Watson said :

Has anyone ever tried milk fresh from a cow? If not, you have not tasted real milk.

Now there is no way I would drink unpasteurised milk from a bottle. I’d only drink it just after milking, still warm. Ah, memories…

My Great Pop ran a dairy, we used to lay under the cows as little kids and drink. Beats the white water you can buy from the supermarket these days

Spitfire3 said :

“Where can I buy some bovine tuberculosis suspension in Canberra?”

Can’t claim personal knowledge of the science about this – and have no particular ‘beef’ (sorry) about raw milk – but figure if the OP wants to give it a go …

However, factual error does get me a bit concerned. And if the Dept of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries reckon that Australia has been bovine tuberculosis free since 1997
(http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/2182866/tb-28feb12.pdf), then I’m good to go with that.

(and sorry, I know the convention here is to make poster names yellow and italicise quotes – but whichever way I hold my tongue, I can’t seem to make it happen !)

Watson said :

Has anyone ever tried milk fresh from a cow? If not, you have not tasted real milk.

Grew up on it. If the cow had just had a calf, the milk was almost orange, and we often got it still foamy and warm from milking (which was done by hand). It was pretty good.

I used to buy the goat’s milk from Mountain Creek. It’s mighty tasty but a bit on the expensive side. It’s meant to be more nutritious than cow’s milk. No idea how legit that is.

jh72 said :

This is advertised as bathing milk however the farmers is quite explicit in saying that it is fgood grade.

By definition (in this country at least), it isn’t food grade because it isn’t pasteurised.

As mentioned, you need to track down ‘bath milk’ as it can’t be sold unpasteurised for human consumption.

Cleopatra is one well known brand, Wallan Vale Dairy is another (wallanvaledairy.com)

I drink about half a litre of raw milk a day and it hasn’t killed me yet /anecdote

Hmmm. Having lived and worked on several dairy farms across Australia, I prefer pasteurized milk for several food safety-related reasons.

In other news, does the OP ever eat Brazilian food up Dickson way?

Has anyone ever tried milk fresh from a cow? If not, you have not tasted real milk.

Now there is no way I would drink unpasteurised milk from a bottle. I’d only drink it just after milking, still warm. Ah, memories…

this was always going to cause you backlash OP.

However, as mentioned you can get cleopatras bathing milk at mountain creek whole foods in Griffith. This is advertised as bathing milk however the farmers is quite explicit in saying that it is fgood grade. Jersey cows down in SA from memory. This place also stocks two different brands of unpasteurised raw goats milk (one from Nimbin, i don’t recall the other) and a few pasteurised but unhomogenised options. They are quite popular and normally don’t manage to stay in stock for 7 days, from memory, the cleopatras comes in on a tuesday and you will be lucky to find any left by friday. but things may have changed.

The farmers markets also has a dairy farmer who sells unhomogenised grass fed cows milk but it is pasteurised. I have never found a formal herdshare option in Canberra region so far.

If you want to go on a raw food diet you’re going to want to be vegan.

Raw milk is good for you if it’s raw almond milk. You soak the almonds in water overnight then blend them in the food processor for a long time.

Why on earth do you want to buy unpasteurised milk? Who told you it was a good idea? What do you think you are missing out on? Would you like to read about the public health outcomes from the invention of the pasteurisation process and tell us that it is a bad thing?

You can’t buy raw milk to drink.

But at Mountain Creek (Griffith shops) you can buy it to bathe in – I believe its called ‘Cleopatra’s Milk’. Its sold in 2 litre bottles 😉

johnboy said :

*Some* of the best cheese makers don’t use raw milk either and reckon its benefits are mythical.

That the oldest cheesemakers in the world aren’t very modern in their methods should be no surprise.

This also applies to any manufacturer of dairy products.

Where can I buy some bovine tuberculosis suspension in Canberra?

Ben_Dover said :

DrKoresh said :

It’s a bad idea, don’t do it.

DrKoresh said :

It’s a bad idea, don’t do it.

Why not? All the best cheeses are made with raw milk.

Fine, let’s add the caveat of “Unless you’re planning to make cheese.”

DrKoresh said :

It’s a bad idea, don’t do it.

DrKoresh said :

It’s a bad idea, don’t do it.

Why not? All the best cheeses are made with raw milk.

Does it have to be cow milk?

Cats have nipples.

It’s a bad idea, don’t do it.

Hi, Bundah_Bloke

I think the short answer is that you can’t buy raw milk directly/retail because legally farmers/retaillers can’t sell it to you.

But there may be an option to ‘herdshare’ where basically you buy a share in a cow and have the farmer look after it, milk it and provide you with an agreed share of the milk.

Bit like syndicating a racehorse – except the cow probably runs faster.

You might want to contact Slow Food here in Canberra (check out http://slowfoodcanberra.com/) and see if there are any herdshares that take Canberra-based ‘owners’.