Rebel Funereal Road Disruptions

My statistics are 99% more accurate than your statistics.

okay apologies for the personal swipe.
you may, or may not be delusional.

aa said :

And if someone provokes them, I say they deserve what happens to them.

I think that is worth looking at again – I wouldn’t keep a dog unless it could control itself without attacking other people (‘provoked’ or not). I’m absolutely astounded that you’re trying to argue that bikies are all ‘good blokes’ while at the same time tacitly endorsing their use of violent action.

aa said :

their goals is to get people together of a similar interest in bikes.

As for the AFP, i don’t think its an exception. St Kilda police station a couple of years ago had over 95% of their police force being investigated for corruption.

Even our defence force here, I guarantee you if they had to do a regular random blood test (without notifying them 2 weeks prior that they’re gong to be tested) more than 90% will fail.

Even in our defence force, there’s been 5 people that I know of that have been caught dealing drugs, and that’s people I know of!

As I said, all dealings with bikies I’ve had have been good. Never any issues. Even when they go out, they don’t wear any colours and repect poeple. Unless those people provoke them that is. And if someone provokes them, I say they deserve what happens to them. There’s a lot of people are all big when it comes to word, and are smart arses, but don’t be a hero unless you can back it up.

Yawn.
I think you might be a little delusional. seriously.
They are essentially an OUTLAW MOTORCYCLE GANG.
emphasis on outlaw and gang…
hello???

So you seem to be saying that they are perfectly decent people that are respectful, but that if someone provokes them then they deserve what happens to them (ie. getting the crap beaten out of them). This doesn’t seem to match up.

It is well known the practices that are common among groups like this and their involvement in the criminal underworld. these are not random fantasies that the evil motocycle hating faeries have made up..

And your comments about the police force and defence are just ridiculous.

As for the AFP, i don’t think its an exception. St Kilda police station a couple of years ago had over 95% of their police force being investigated for corruption.

‘Under investigation’ is not the same as guilt. The reason that 95% of St Kilda police station were ‘under investigation’ was that there was an anti-corruption investigation going on – it’s obvious that you’ll have to investigate the bulk of the force.

It’s also worth noting that you’re confusing AFP (Federal police) with St Kilda police force, who are a State entity.

Even our defence force here, I guarantee you if they had to do a regular random blood test (without notifying them 2 weeks prior that they’re gong to be tested) more than 90% will fail.

The defence force *does* have regular random drug tests.

As I said, all dealings with bikies I’ve had have been good. Never any issues. Even when they go out, they don’t wear any colours and repect poeple. Unless those people provoke them that is. And if someone provokes them, I say they deserve what happens to them. There’s a lot of people are all big when it comes to word, and are smart arses, but don’t be a hero unless you can back it up.

One anecdote proves precisely nothing.

The fact that you back this up with the old ‘and they probably deserve it anyway’ demonstrates a thuggish mind. Are you really saying that people should be beaten up for talking the wrong way to a bikie?

What a marvellously civilised world we live in.

lol. so you are saying 90% of our defence force is on drugs?

:rolleyes

aa said :

I guarantee you if they had to do a regular random blood test (without notifying them 2 weeks prior that they’re gong to be tested) more than 90% will fail.

Are you suggesting that 90% of defence force personel are on drugs? You might consider getting off them before throwing accusations around like that.

their goals is to get people together of a similar interest in bikes.

As for the AFP, i don’t think its an exception. St Kilda police station a couple of years ago had over 95% of their police force being investigated for corruption.

Even our defence force here, I guarantee you if they had to do a regular random blood test (without notifying them 2 weeks prior that they’re gong to be tested) more than 90% will fail.

Even in our defence force, there’s been 5 people that I know of that have been caught dealing drugs, and that’s people I know of!

As I said, all dealings with bikies I’ve had have been good. Never any issues. Even when they go out, they don’t wear any colours and repect poeple. Unless those people provoke them that is. And if someone provokes them, I say they deserve what happens to them. There’s a lot of people are all big when it comes to word, and are smart arses, but don’t be a hero unless you can back it up.

aa said :

So i take it ONLY bikes deal drugs, commit crimes and cause trouble! Hmm, out of the tens of thousands of drug dealers in Australia, how many of them are bikies? There’s around 600 or so Rebels in all of Australia.

But, they do some good too. I know a couple of years ago they donated $10,000 to the Queanbeyan hospital. They also are very involved with taking kids with cancer on joy rides.

So yes, there are some shady characters in the group, but there’s shady characters in every group. Look at the AFP here. In the past few months, there’s been 2 involved with child pornography, one with steriods and a few others being investigated for corruption.

I don’t see anywhere people saying that only bikies deal drugs etc.

“There are some shady characters in the grioup, but there’s shady character in every group.”
Ah – the difference being with AFP officers are the exception in a group thats essential goal is about upholding the law and assisting the community.
What is the Rebel’s goal/vision (other than being a real tough bikie gang)?

Belray, I took some footage at Bredbo from across the road from the Pancake House as you guys took off. I’ll put it up on YouTube at some stage.

So i take it ONLY bikes deal drugs, commit crimes and cause trouble! Hmm, out of the tens of thousands of drug dealers in Australia, how many of them are bikies? There’s around 600 or so Rebels in all of Australia.

But, they do some good too. I know a couple of years ago they donated $10,000 to the Queanbeyan hospital. They also are very involved with taking kids with cancer on joy rides.

So yes, there are some shady characters in the group, but there’s shady characters in every group. Look at the AFP here. In the past few months, there’s been 2 involved with child pornography, one with steriods and a few others being investigated for corruption.

Jim Jones said :

“Question for you though; how you can you be so sure that OMG’s actually don’t represent 1% of the total motorcycle riding population?”

And how do you know that OMG’s actually don’t represent an equally arbitrary number – say, 50%, or 66.95%?

Whatever your point is, asking someone ‘how can you prove that this isn’t the case’ is a dud argument.

Thank you for your input.

“Question for you though; how you can you be so sure that OMG’s actually don’t represent 1% of the total motorcycle riding population?”

And how do you know that OMG’s actually don’t represent an equally arbitrary number – say, 50%, or 66.95%?

Whatever your point is, asking someone ‘how can you prove that this isn’t the case’ is a dud argument.

PsydFX said :

belray said :

Yes. I am correct. If you want to split hairs and display a very minor hint of sarcasm (not very good at that BTW), fill your boots. The fact remains that they draw their 1%’er name from the Hollister riots where they were named as 1% of the biking population. The name has stuck.

Just freakin’ live with it…..

Whilst I’m sure everyone understood exactly what you meant, myself included, the simple fact is your statement isn’t 100% correct, you clearly stated that it is due to them making up 1% of the motorcycling population, however, as you mentioned in your last comment, it is actually drawn from a fictitious statistic derived 62 years ago in a statement about an event that may or may not have actually been a riot.

I don’t remember mentioning it as fictitious statistic. I do remember stating that it was a name was given as a result of the Hollister riots (which may or may not have occurred). Question for you though; how you can you be so sure that OMG’s actually don’t represent 1% of the total motorcycle riding population? How many motorcyclists are in Canberra, Australia, the world compared to how many OMG members? Who is to say that it isn’t actually 1%. Argumentative I know, but you opened the door.

belray said :

Yes. I am correct. If you want to split hairs and display a very minor hint of sarcasm (not very good at that BTW), fill your boots. The fact remains that they draw their 1%’er name from the Hollister riots where they were named as 1% of the biking population. The name has stuck.

Just freakin’ live with it…..

Whilst I’m sure everyone understood exactly what you meant, myself included, the simple fact is your statement isn’t 100% correct, you clearly stated that it is due to them making up 1% of the motorcycling population, however, as you mentioned in your last comment, it is actually drawn from a fictitious statistic derived 62 years ago in a statement about an event that may or may not have actually been a riot.

nyssa76 said :

Panhead and belray, take the sarcasm for what it was.

The need for self justification is pathetic.

Typical.. Can’t take being told? Anyway, who was attempting to be sarcastic to Panhead? Do you realise that just by this persons screen name, he/she probably knows more about Harleys and associated subjects than most others? Judging by your previous posts, I am guessing you can’t see the corelation.

This time you are correct – the need for self justification IS pathetic!

vg said :

Don’t be fooled by the occasional good public deed

I agree. I have trouble with the “don’t judge a book by it cover” thing when people choose to associate themselves with a group that is actively involved in drugs/crime/voilence.
When I went to the show last year, I just saw a heck of a lot of men who think that they are tough, but in my eyes, don’t know what a real backbone is.
And no, I didn’t decide to air my opinion to them.

Panhead and belray, take the sarcasm for what it was.

The need for self justification is pathetic.

Nice work, Belray, on the Bredbo thing. I’ve got some footage taken from the other side of the road from the pancake place. If I can ever work out the magic in transferring vision from my phone to laptop to YouTube, I’ll put it up there. It was an amazing spectacle AND with a hearing condition that makes me highly sensitive to loud or sharp noises, I never reached for the ear plugs once.

Ant, you might want to take your Antigo’s experience, divide it by the number of bikers around and you’ll get something more like the 0.00001 percenters.

PsydFX said :

You’re 100% correct? Really? OMG’s make up 1% of motorcyclists?

Wow, I thought it was just a fictitious statistic that the AMA made up over 62 years ago.

Weird.

Yes. I am correct. If you want to split hairs and display a very minor hint of sarcasm (not very good at that BTW), fill your boots. The fact remains that they draw their 1%’er name from the Hollister riots where they were named as 1% of the biking population. The name has stuck.

Just freakin’ live with it…..

I was stuck on the Monaro Highway/Pialligo Avenue lights while the procession went past. I was surprised at the amount of bikes & full vans & cars that were part of the procession. To me it looked like just under 1000 bikies.

It was a good show & it is good to see the good old bikies.

Don’t be fooled by the occasional good public deed

Skidd Marx said :

In a perfect world we’d be allowed to cull bikies as if they were roos. The only difference would be that I’d have a guilty conscience about killing a roo.

sides

I went out to the Bike and Tatt show on saturday arvo, with my kids (6 and 4 years old). I was dressed as a clean cut white collar middle class dad, I’m slightly overweight, but muscular with it;) and have short back and sides haircut. In short I was expecting a fair bit of roughness from the assembled bikies. At best, I hoped to be ‘grey’ and ignored while looking at the bikes and tatts. As the kids and I arrived at the Serbian club at the same time as a few Rebels we stood back wating for them to go in so we could follow. When one Rebel (with a rather heavy nose piercing) opened the door and stood bck I looed at him waiting for a smart-arse comment. The assembled Rebels looked at me and the kids and smiled, waving us in and telling us to go first. I thanked them in as manly a way as I could muster and was again very pleased with their kind response. The kids felt very special and I was reminded that clothes actually don’t make the man. Every experience I’ve had of Rebels members to date has been positive. I find Skid’s comment very sad.

You’re 100% correct? Really? OMG’s make up 1% of motorcyclists?

Wow, I thought it was just a fictitious statistic that the AMA made up over 62 years ago.

Weird.

nyssa76 said :

Do you know why these club members are called 1 percenters? It is because outlaw bikie gangs are approximately one percent of the total motorcycle riding community.

Actually belray, I’d rethink your answer as it is incorrect.

Actually nyssa, I am 100% correct. Do an internet search on Hollister riots and one percenter and get back to me…

Oh really nyssa? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_club#One_Percenters

Skidd Marx said :

In a perfect world we’d be allowed to cull bikies as if they were roos.

And geeks, and fat chicks, and lawyers, and .. and …

Do you know why these club members are called 1 percenters? It is because outlaw bikie gangs are approximately one percent of the total motorcycle riding community.

Actually belray, I’d rethink your answer as it is incorrect.

I went past the cops on the way from school this morning and every intersection from the lights under the overpass at the back of Fyshwick to the roundabout by the lake in front of the war memorial had at least one cop standing there in their yellow vest, twiddling their thumbs, waiting for the convoy so they could halt traffic (I’m assuming that was their purpose as one cop sans car wouldn’t do much if a fight broke out). A friend at school later said that she had seen them as far out as Murrumbateman lining the way into Canberra. How much has this presence cost?!

ant said :

Go up to them and tell them? So, when one (or ten) roars past me on the road, I should chase them in order to tell them I hate their loud bike?

Or when a bunch of them roar past the house at midnight, we should rush out there to have a go? What a lame comment.

Many years ago, we and many other patrons were having a nice quiet Sunday lunch outside at Antigos. Suddenly, a fat hairy bike-man roared up on his noise-enhanced Harley. He was dressed in filthy greasy clothes, had the standard little tiny black helmet, and drove his bike right up onto the pedestrian plaza where the outdoor seating of antigos is. He got off the bike but kept it running while he fiddled with soemthing. It was deafening.

The waitress went up to him, and told him to take his bike away, as it was upsetting the restaurant patrons. We all clapped and cheered her, the bike-man glowered, but he didn’t have his tough mates with him, so off he went.

We tipped her well, and I hope everyone else did, too.

was he a member of the rebs or just a trumped up public servant with a harley? from my experience, any self respecting biker wouldn’t be seen dead at antigos….. too many wankers frequent the place,

belray said :

Do you know why these club members are called 1 percenters? It is because outlaw bikie gangs are approximately one percent of the total motorcycle riding community. I think you will find that if you leave them alone, they will leave you alone.

I was involved in the bike ride from Bredbo on the weekend and I didn’t see any one percenters, what I did see was a bunch of blokes and girls out for a ride to raise money for the Cooma and Canberra Hospitals. Well done to the Federal Chapter of the Vietnam Veterans Motorcycle Club for organising it. It was a great day. I found that the locals of the towns waved as we rode past. I didn’t see many holding their ears…..

Just my first hand experience.

and you had fantastic weather for it….good on ya!

Skidd Marx said :

In a perfect world we’d be allowed to cull bikies as if they were roos. The only difference would be that I’d have a guilty conscience about killing a roo.

thats a bit rough?

“Do you know why these club members are called 1 percenters?”

Something to do with the amount of their brain they engage I imagine

Do you know why these club members are called 1 percenters? It is because outlaw bikie gangs are approximately one percent of the total motorcycle riding community. I think you will find that if you leave them alone, they will leave you alone.

I was involved in the bike ride from Bredbo on the weekend and I didn’t see any one percenters, what I did see was a bunch of blokes and girls out for a ride to raise money for the Cooma and Canberra Hospitals. Well done to the Federal Chapter of the Vietnam Veterans Motorcycle Club for organising it. It was a great day. I found that the locals of the towns waved as we rode past. I didn’t see many holding their ears…..

Just my first hand experience.

Maybe he means that its missing ’s after Rebel?

Maybe JB means that the “Funereal Road Disruptions” themselves are rebellious, rather then belonging to the Rebels OMCG.

Maybe he means that its missing ‘s after Rebel?

so i take it only bikies are like that. There’s no ” badly trained dog” that aren’t bikies! Just go out to mooseheads one day and see how our so called future “defence” people ask. They’re even worse!

funereal |fy??ni(?)r??l; fyo?-|
adjective
having the mournful, somber character appropriate to a funeral : Lincoln’s funereal gloominess was legendary.

aa said :

I have come across many of them in my time and unless you provoke them, they don’t bother you.

That sounds more like a badly trained dog than a rational human being.

That was an awesome story ant. You found a jerk. I’ve never seen a jerk before.

and i suppose you’ve never come across someone in there car who’s parked their car on a foot path doing something similar. Or someone on a road bike doing the same thing. I have come across many of them in my time and unless you provoke them, they don’t bother you. But I’m guessing you’re the type of person who has a big mouth and all he can do is complain out loud and when someone comes up to you, you run hiding and say “they’re bullying me” instead of looking in the mirror and saying “i actually provoked this!”.

Go up to them and tell them? So, when one (or ten) roars past me on the road, I should chase them in order to tell them I hate their loud bike?

Or when a bunch of them roar past the house at midnight, we should rush out there to have a go? What a lame comment.

Many years ago, we and many other patrons were having a nice quiet Sunday lunch outside at Antigos. Suddenly, a fat hairy bike-man roared up on his noise-enhanced Harley. He was dressed in filthy greasy clothes, had the standard little tiny black helmet, and drove his bike right up onto the pedestrian plaza where the outdoor seating of antigos is. He got off the bike but kept it running while he fiddled with soemthing. It was deafening.

The waitress went up to him, and told him to take his bike away, as it was upsetting the restaurant patrons. We all clapped and cheered her, the bike-man glowered, but he didn’t have his tough mates with him, so off he went.

We tipped her well, and I hope everyone else did, too.

Those who complain about the noise should go live in a little country village or on a farm. This is a city, so deal with it. Im sure most trucks are noisier than the bikes.

Ant, if you have a problem with these people, why don’t you go upto them and tell them?

Trust me, the cops are waiting for them to do something wrong, it’s not as if they’re not under constant bugging and tracking.

Skidd Marx said :

In a perfect world we’d be allowed to cull bikies as if they were roos. The only difference would be that I’d have a guilty conscience about killing a roo.

Skidd Marx is going to be the first to the wall.

Skidd Marx said :

In a perfect world we’d be allowed to cull bikies as if they were roos. The only difference would be that I’d have a guilty conscience about killing a roo.

And I’m sure your not just a keyboard hero, and will be rushing down to your local “Rebels” clubhouse to let them know that.

Whoops – scratch that comment. I just read Jakez comment – Helmets were the go.

Helmets or no helmets?
(Apparently, no helmets is a sign of respect…so I heard on the radio this morning)
No helmets is (as we all know) illegal, so I’m curious as to which code they followed – bikie law or police law

Personally I’m a bit disappointed that they decided to wear helmets. I always like a good bit of civil disobedience.

Then again, with the heat currently on bikie gangs, it was probably a good strategic move for them.

DawnDrifter said :

so why are the police are escorting these bikies around to fyshwick, mitchell, quean etc ? expecting trouble? i these were peaceful law abiding citizens?

You could have a parade of 600 nuns on bikes and there would still be police.

In a perfect world we’d be allowed to cull bikies as if they were roos. The only difference would be that I’d have a guilty conscience about killing a roo.

I guess the moral to the story is that if you’re going to be affronted by excessive noise or people doing different things in life to what you do, then don’t go out. Stay at home, work from home, line your walls with egg cartons, double-glaze your windows and get your world views from internet news and views sites.

Oh, and weather blogs. I didn’t realise such things existed until recently, but they’re hell funny in a sort of wryly pathetic way.

Tooks said :

Ant, Rebels are constantly getting fines for traffic offences.

Good, that is encouraging to hear.

My mother encountered the procession somewhere between Qbn and Canberra around 11.15am, and was gobsmacked at the number of them (and police), and the delightful racket.

Maybe with the current bikie hysteria, the gov’t might be moved to do something legislative about repeat offenders.

I’m always quite impressed when a Harley appears, and it’s not a noisy one. I figure those guys don’t need a fart-bike to make them feel tough.

Funnily enough, having gone out for a spin on the bike myself today, I stopped in town to watch the funeral go by. It was done with a degree of dignity, and there was no excessive noise pollution.

Personally I’d rather see our police having a presence, and an influence, on this sort of thing, than them not being a part of, and prepared for it.

Ant, Rebels are constantly getting fines for traffic offences.

As for the funeral procession, I can’t really say I disagree. There should be a limit on the size.

so why are the police are escorting these bikies around to fyshwick, mitchell, quean etc ? expecting trouble? i these were peaceful law abiding citizens?

Shrug. If they can break the noise laws with impunity, what does that say about any laws? Why can’t we all break laws… oh that’s right, we don’t have a big network of bully-boy mates who can do what they like.

This funeral procession being a case in point. The town gets disrupted as for a visit from a foreign head of state? So I guess everyone can do that if they feel their friend/relative is special enough?

I object to their getting away with this stuff, purely because they also get away with intimidating others.

V twin venom said :

Oh goodness what was that loud crash…oh it’s ok, it was just the chip just falling off ant’s shoulder.

haha yes… i heard that too !

Tattoo and bike was lame and tame. I expect the funeral processions to be the same, just noisy.

Oh goodness what was that loud crash…oh it’s ok, it was just the chip just falling off ant’s shoulder.

They are at the Crematorium now.
I’ve never seen so many bikies, and cops following them.

According to Saturday’s Canberra Times they were expecting about 600 or so to gather at the Serbian Club on Saturday.

Did anyone hear of or know of any stories of anti-social behaviour?

I ask that out of ignorance (on this topic, at least). But I’m guessing not. Empahsis on the ‘guessing’.

Bill Quinn said :

I can’t comment on what’s between their legs (I don’t know dick about motorcycles) but I’d say their hearts are pretty big.

Scratch a psychopath and find a sentimentalist underneath. Scratch the sentimentalist and all you get is more psychopath.

They’re making a pretty big statement it would seem with the ABC broadcasting anticipated routes for these ‘processions’. I would have thought something like that would be reserved for someone who would be pervcieved as a more ‘dignified’ member of society or public figure at least.

But I don’t know the guy so maybe he was someone who was very important to his ‘community’ or ‘gang’ or whatever.

Reminds me of when Bush or Clinton came to town… Albeit a more unofficial version with no road closures.

Still maybe they’ll behave themselves and actually make a good impression. Stranger things have happened.

I mean it can’t be any more obnoxious than the Olympic Torch relay yast year with all those noisy Chinese supporters running around carrying on can it?

They’ve passed the airport, lots of police in attendance.

They’re attending a funeral, not staging an event, so any statements about the benefit or non-benefits of having large numbers of motorcycles in the ACT are as moot as their comrade is mute.

I had breakfast at Bredbo on Saturday morning where about 500-600 (?) bikies were leaving to run down to Cooma and out to Dalgety, raising thousands of dollars for Cooma and Canberra hospitals.

I can’t comment on what’s between their legs (I don’t know dick about motorcycles) but I’d say their hearts are pretty big.

Noise is noise, and I totally resent beign forced to have my ears deafened by idiots with small dicks, and those who are meant to enforce the law turn a blind eye.

Just cruised up Hindmarsh drive (on the cruiser) and listened to them go past. Yes, they might be as noisy as a Charade with a hole in the muffler, but they sound one hell of a lot better.

Some nice bikes there – not sure I could say the same about the riders, but got to appreciate good machinery.

Gee, His Chiefliness hasn’t made any comment about “carbon emissions” from the bikes, or how the bikes are contributing to so-called “climate change”. Perhaps The Greens will exercise their usual influence and we’ll hear the usual PC bumph from the usual suspects on WIN News and the ABC tonight.

Imagine the racket they’ll make on their “legal” noise-enhanced bikes. But god help any Daihatsu Charade owner who gets a hole in their muffler, they’ll be defected in minutes.

p1 said :

I am waiting of the Mayor of Canberra to issue a statement about how these large events bring money into the ACT (like Floriade and Summergnats).

Last week I heard His Cheifliness joke that the police commissioner was calculating what contribution 800 bikies would make to the ACT economy…

I am waiting of the Mayor of Canberra to issue a statement about how these large events bring money into the ACT (like Floriade and Summergnats).

Living close to the Rebels’ clubhouse, I noted on my way to work this morning two shiny new black Holden Statemans (Statesmen?) followed by a large contingent of bikes heading in the direction of my home. Not sure if I want to go home tonight, but it is good to know why…

Hmmmm, Bikies heading from Quangers to Mitchell and then to Fyshwick. Is it a funeral procession or are they sampling the local delights?