Simon lists what we're missing in Zed's shutdown

johnboy said :

I think it’s clear now that the Greens stand for advancing their agenda via a Labor party reliant on their vote.

One has to wonder what they’re getting for holding their noses this time.

+1

colourful sydney racing identity said :

johnboy said :

Stanhope in opposition moved a great many No confidences, with resulting shutdowns, before he finally got one up.

I only recall one – which was not doomed to failure as Rugendyke came into the assemnbly with two speeches, one in favour one against and decided at the last minute.

There may have been others, however, I thought he opted to censure rather than move no confidence.

MR RUGENDYKE (8.28): Mr Speaker, like every issue discussed in this Assembly, my sole aim is to do what I believe is right and what I believe is fair. I must say that I have wrestled with this decision over the past week. Even when we went to the dinner break earlier this evening, I was still grappling with it and what I have been hearing during the day. In fact, I had two speeches written and I had not decided which one I was going to deliver. My heart was saying, “Kick her out”, and my head was asking, “Are the matters raised at this point in time sufficient to justify a genuine lack of
confidence in the Chief Minister?”.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Important legislation

I really don’t think having R18 classified games is anywhere near as important an issue as having a Chief Minister who presided over large scale fraud.

Yes, shutting down the Assembly for a week, so you can move a motion that is guaranteed to fail, is a sensible course of action.

Clown.

And why is it guaranteed to fail? Because the local Greens have no principles and no integrity. They are the clowns.

Do you ever get tired of being an all-weather advocate for the Liberals?

Shutting down the assembly for a week, so you can engage in an exercise of futility is irresponsible in the extreme.

I don’t think you’re in a position to be crying “irresponsible!” – you seem to think that shutting down the LA for a week is far more serious than large scale fraud. Let me help you with this:

Presiding over large scale fraud is irresponsible.

Supporting someone who presides over large scale fraud is irresponsible.

Calling attention to it and making an attempt to do something about it? Not irresponsible.

I know it hurts that your precious Labor/Greens government screwed up royally, but your comment makes you look like a bigger Labor stooge than I previously thought possible.

Between 1999 and 2000, Labor leader Jon Stanhope gave notice of three motions of no confidence in Liberal chief minister Kate Carnell.

One was watered down into a censure motion (or symbolic slap-on-the-wrist).

Another failed to win majority support.

The third was removed from the notice paper after Ms Carnell resigned before she could be voted out of office by the Assembly.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-history-of-no-confidence-20120813-2457z.html#ixzz23adGsm1f

johnboy said :

Stanhope in opposition moved a great many No confidences, with resulting shutdowns, before he finally got one up.

It would do The Greens no harm to support this one. Make them look like they stand for something.

johnboy said :

Stanhope in opposition moved a great many No confidences, with resulting shutdowns, before he finally got one up.

I only recall one – which was not doomed to failure as Rugendyke came into the assemnbly with two speeches, one in favour one against and decided at the last minute.

There may have been others, however, I thought he opted to censure rather than move no confidence.

Mysteryman said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Important legislation

I really don’t think having R18 classified games is anywhere near as important an issue as having a Chief Minister who presided over large scale fraud.

Yes, shutting down the Assembly for a week, so you can move a motion that is guaranteed to fail, is a sensible course of action.

Clown.

And why is it guaranteed to fail? Because the local Greens have no principles and no integrity. They are the clowns.

Do you ever get tired of being an all-weather advocate for the Liberals?

Shutting down the assembly for a week, so you can engage in an exercise of futility is irresponsible in the extreme.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Truthiness said :

a civil union isn’t a marriage, it is a legal recognition of a relationship. Straight people can still have marriages, they are unaffected. The only people who are effected by this are same sex couples who gain legal recognition. Straight couples lose nothing, the sanctity of marriage is preserved and there is a legal alternative for those who need it.

All of this without even mentioning the false dichotomy of limiting human sexuality to two sexes. Humans are inherently physiologically diverse and encompass a spectrum of sexual characteristics. Indeed “male” and “female” are largely sociological constructs which ignore the physical complexities of sexuality.

We already have same sex civil unions, don’t we?

Yep, but not with those all important ceremonies where the government says that your “love” is recognised.

Seriously, I’ve said it a million times but I’ll say it again, why is the government involved in people’s “love” at all?
The legal issues don’t require the government to recognise love, so why is anybody hetero or homo getting civil-married?

It should be civil unions for all.

Truthiness said :

a civil union isn’t a marriage, it is a legal recognition of a relationship. Straight people can still have marriages, they are unaffected. The only people who are effected by this are same sex couples who gain legal recognition. Straight couples lose nothing, the sanctity of marriage is preserved and there is a legal alternative for those who need it.

All of this without even mentioning the false dichotomy of limiting human sexuality to two sexes. Humans are inherently physiologically diverse and encompass a spectrum of sexual characteristics. Indeed “male” and “female” are largely sociological constructs which ignore the physical complexities of sexuality.

We already have same sex civil unions, don’t we?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Important legislation

I really don’t think having R18 classified games is anywhere near as important an issue as having a Chief Minister who presided over large scale fraud.

Yes, shutting down the Assembly for a week, so you can move a motion that is guaranteed to fail, is a sensible course of action.

Clown.

And why is it guaranteed to fail? Because the local Greens have no principles and no integrity. They are the clowns.

Mysteryman said :

Important legislation

I really don’t think having R18 classified games is anywhere near as important an issue as having a Chief Minister who presided over large scale fraud.

Yes, shutting down the Assembly for a week, so you can move a motion that is guaranteed to fail, is a sensible course of action.

Clown.

Mysteryman said :

Important legislation

I really don’t think having R18 classified games is anywhere near as important an issue as having a Chief Minister who presided over large scale fraud.

+300,000

Lets brush this under the carpet shall we Simon?? Let pretend its all the oppositions fault for not allowing you to continue on your merry way ignore the elephant in the room?

a civil union isn’t a marriage, it is a legal recognition of a relationship. Straight people can still have marriages, they are unaffected. The only people who are effected by this are same sex couples who gain legal recognition. Straight couples lose nothing, the sanctity of marriage is preserved and there is a legal alternative for those who need it.

All of this without even mentioning the false dichotomy of limiting human sexuality to two sexes. Humans are inherently physiologically diverse and encompass a spectrum of sexual characteristics. Indeed “male” and “female” are largely sociological constructs which ignore the physical complexities of sexuality.

Mr Gillespie said :

Sorry Mr Corbell, but I’m not in favour of your “same-sex civil unions”.

You surprise us, Mr. G.

Important legislation

I really don’t think having R18 classified games is anywhere near as important an issue as having a Chief Minister who presided over large scale fraud.

Truthiness #5, the part that bothers me is the fact that marriage, by definition, is a union between a man and a woman.

what part of same sex civil unions do you have a problem with? is it the civil union or the same sex which bothers you? How do either of those things effect you in the slightest?

Sorry Mr Corbell, but I’m not in favour of your “same-sex civil unions”. Waste of assembly time, and good on Zed for freezing that out for the time being at least anyway.

people in prison shoot up regardless, the least we can do is stop them spreading disease at the same time. I do agree saying sorry was a waste of time, we should be paying reparations, not paying lip service. If someone kicked me out of my house and made me live in the backyard, I’d want more than a sorry.

Comparing wasting time inquiring into the CM’s knowledge of a fraud or wasting time saying sorry for something that happened when the government did not exist or helping people in prison shoot up, I know that one side is definitely wasting time, and it’s not the opposition.

as keen as I am to see those laws passed, I am keener to hear Simon’s thoughts on the fraud issue. This press release reeks of ignoring the issue at hand, he’s not doing a great job of convincing us the greens aren’t just another bunch of slimy politicians. Wasting the assembly’s time is certainly bad, but ignoring fraud is worse.